Anyone watch Bradley-Provodnikov last night?

Henno30

Fight of the Year so far. An absolute war.

bellybuster12

Didn't see it as i fell asleep:o. Hearing and reading it was a belter, anyone have a link to replay by any chance??

Henno30

bellybuster12 wrote: »

Didn't see it as i fell asleep:o. Hearing and reading it was a belter, anyone have a link to replay by any chance??

This should still be working - http://www.boxtube.net/video/881/2013-03-16-Timothy-Bradley-vs-Ruslan-Provodnikov

It was fucking amazing. Totally unexpected. Talk about two guys enhancing their reputations.

bellybuster12

Just watched it, cracking fight. Bradly was lucky he stayed on his feet in the first couple rds or we might have a different outcome. Two fighters leaving it all in the ring, great stuff.

Henno30

bellybuster12 wrote: »

Just watched it, cracking fight. Bradly was lucky he stayed on his feet in the first couple rds or we might have a different outcome. Two fighters leaving it all in the ring, great stuff.

I don't know how he stayed up. His heart is just phenomenal. Provodnikov hit him with everything, and somehow Bradley was still standing in front of him. How many times did it look like Bradley was totally gone and yet he still started throwing back when Provodnikov tried to finish him. I haven't seen anything like it in a while. Crazy fight. Merits a rematch.

rebelomar

What a war! Incredible stuff. Bradley made the fight by going toe to toe despite knowing he would comfortably outbox him. Provodnikov with better footwork would be a huge threat to anybody. As is it stands he's already a big risk for anybody to take on now given his power and seemingly rock solid chin. Rematch Rematch!!!

walshb

Excellent fight. Bradley showed me more in this one fight than in all others combined. Great movement and extreme fitness. Great punch variation, and he was really whacking in the punches. He clearly won the fight. 20-30 seconds extra in rd 12 and I don't think Bradley makes it.

Jarren

Henno30 wrote: »

Fight of the Year so far. An absolute war.

http://sosoboxing.com/boxing-video-watch-online/timothy-bradley-vs-ruslan-provodnikov/

Fantastic !!!

megadodge

Excellent fight. I've always liked Bradley (unfashionable and all as he is) but he really showed his heart in this fight.

On the judging, I scored it a draw and I thought it was actually an easy fight to mark. The key was the scoring of the first two rounds. It was definitely a knockdown in round 1, but since the ref could be clearly heard ringside saying "no knockdown", the judges had to mark it 10-9 instead of 10-8. However, I marked round 2 as a 10-8 as Bradley was hammered and very badly hurt and was literally one clean punch from being stopped. If that's wasn't a non-knockdown 10-8 round then there is never one. The rest of the fight was very straightforward scoring. The problem was the judges only marked round 2 as a 10-9 and that cost Provodnikov the draw, along with the botched call in the first costing him the win.

Hope there's a rematch, although I reckon Bradley will box much smarter next time and win a UD.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

the judges had to mark it 10-9 instead of 10-8. However.

I don't think the judges have to mark anything a definite way. There doesn't have to be a knock down for a 10-8, as you alluded to. A judge doesn't even have to award a rd to a fighter who scores a knock down. It all depends on the entire rounds action

Anyway, rds aside I still think Bradley was the clear winner. He battered the guy for most of the fight.

clubwelly

That was class ragin I watched the UFC instead.

I think Bradley won it by a round or two but fair play to Provodnikov he stepped up in weight class, Bradley outweighed him by 13 pounds on the night and he was the one with bombs in his gloves!

Cudn't believe that he was smiling in rounds 1 & 2 when Bradley was jabbing away at him.
Saw an interview on secondsout.com in which Freddie Roach said he knew they had a chance as Bradley came to the weight in dripping in sweat and I'd say Bradley wanted to make a statement after the way he beat Pacman.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

I don't think the judges have to mark anything a definite way. There doesn't have to be a knock down for a 10-8, as you alluded to. A judge doesn't even have to award a rd to a fighter who scores a knock down. It all depends on the entire rounds action

Anyway, rds aside I still think Bradley was the clear winner. He battered the guy for most of the fight.

I agree there doesn't have to be a kd to be a 10-8, which is why round 2 should have been awarded 10-8 to Provodnikov! Bradley was all over the place.
With regard to round 1, all 3 judges gave the round to Prov 10-9, but there is no doubt that if the ref gave the kd (as he should have) they all would have given it to him 10-8.

I've never heard of a fighter who scored a kd losing a round - sometimes drawing it all right when a fighter who was dominating gets caught for a flash kd.

With all due respect to your assertion that Bradley was "the clear winner", I fail to see how.
Rounds 1&2 we've discussed. 3,4 & 5 Bradley, 6 Prov, 7,8,9,10 Bradley, 11 & 12 Prov with 12 being 10-8. I honestly thought it a very easy fight to score, it just depends on how the first 2 were scored and IMO they both should have been 10-8.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

IWith all due respect to your assertion that Bradley was "the clear winner", I fail to see how.
Rounds 1&2 we've discussed. 3,4 & 5 Bradley, 6 Prov, 7,8,9,10 Bradley, 11 & 12 Prov with 12 being 10-8. I honestly thought it a very easy fight to score, it just depends on how the first 2 were scored and IMO they both should have been 10-8.

If one adds up the rds and gives Ruslan 10-8 for rds 1, 2 and 12 then yes it is close as regards scores. But, I thought Bradley was clearly landing more shots. Clear. That is what I was implying. But, pro boxing is scored on the 10 point system per rd. Bradely won 8 rds and Ruslan won 4. Ruslan made it close because 3/4 of his winning rds were dominant. Had they all been awarded 10-8 it's a draw on the card score.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

If one adds up the rds and gives Ruslan 10-8 for rds 1, 2 and 12 then yes it is close as regards scores. But, I thought Bradley was clearly landing more shots. Clear. That is what I was implying. But, pro boxing is scored on the 10 point system per rd. Bradely won 8 rds and Ruslan won 4. Ruslan made it close because 3/4 of his winning rds were dominant. Had they all been awarded 10-8 it's a draw on the card score.

Well, even knowing that judging is all subjective, I fail to see how anyone could give 8 rounds to Bradley. You couldn't possibly give 1 or 2 or 12 to Bradley. Round 6 was a clear Prov round, so that leaves round 11, which I thought was fairly clearly Prov's round. And that's it. 7-5 to Bradley, but then how do you score the first two?

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

Well, even knowing that judging is all subjective, I fail to see how anyone could give 8 rounds to Bradley.

We are only one single rd apart. You have it 7-5 and I have it 8-4. Now, I must re-watch rd 11. Maybe I mis-scored that.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

We are only one single rd apart. You have it 7-5 and I have it 8-4. Now, I must re-watch rd 11. Maybe I mis-scored that.

True, we're only one round apart, but that's where I get confused when you say Bradley was a "clear winner" and "he battered the guy for most of the fight".
Bradley outboxed him in his winning rounds, but there was only one person getting a battering - and it wasn't the Russian.

Underground

megadodge wrote: »

True, we're only one round apart, but that's where I get confused when you say Bradley was a "clear winner" and "he battered the guy for most of the fight".
Bradley outboxed him in his winning rounds, but there was only one person getting a battering - and it wasn't the Russian.

In fairness, I think Prov was pretty badly hurt at times in the fight. Either that or he was gassed out.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

True, we're only one round apart, but that's where I get confused when you say Bradley was a "clear winner" and "he battered the guy for most of the fight".
Bradley outboxed him in his winning rounds, but there was only one person getting a battering - and it wasn't the Russian.

I think you're wrong there. Bradely was hopping off Ruslan for large parts of the fight, yes, battering him. Ruslan landed the heavier shots, but Bradley was easily out-scoring him. Look at Ruslan's face. It was a mess. Just because Ruslan wasn't down or badly wobbled doesn't mean he was not getting battered. Ruslan had some big moments, sustained big moments. Bradley had consistent scoring moments. I'd love to see the punch stats for the fight. It looked to me to be 2/1 at least in Bradley's favour as regards scoring blows. Official scores wise it was close, boxing wise and for landed punches I think Bradley was a clear winner.

walshb

Underground wrote: »

In fairness, I think Prov was pretty badly hurt at times in the fight. Either that or he was gassed out.

Yes, I agree. He was hurt a few times.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

I think you're wrong there. Bradely was hopping off Ruslan for large parts of the fight, yes, battering him. Ruslan landed the heavier shots, but Bradley was easily out-scoring him. Look at Ruslan's face. It was a mess. Just because Ruslan wasn't down or badly wobbled doesn't mean he was not getting battered. Ruslan had some big moments, sustained big moments. Bradley had consistent scoring moments. I'd love to see the punch stats for the fight. It looked to me to be 2/1 at least in Bradley's favour as regards scoring blows. Official scores wise it was close, boxing wise and for landed punches I think Bradley was a clear winner.

This is not amateur boxing. It's not about the number of punches landed. It's marked round by round. So I fail to see how Bradley winning a fight by 1 point on 2 scorecards (with none of them scoring the 2nd a 10-8, which they should have) could be deemed "a clear winner".

I've absolutely no doubt Bradley landed way more punches. But that doesn't show how each round went. Boxer A could land 100 light punches in 2 rounds and win them 10-9, but boxer B lands 10 heavy punches in the next which hurts and floors boxer A and you've got an even scorecard.

I have no recollection of Provodnikov being badly hurt at any stage either. He took plenty of punches and was marked up, but never looked in any serious bother.

Daroxtar

Provodnikov wasn't badly hurt but he was uncomfortable a few times,nice clean shots from Bradley and being a bit a little bit gassed but he didn't look like being stopped. Bradley however got the fright of his life a few times but he showed some character to hang on in there. I really didn't think he had that in him tbh. I think it showed in a way he has a good chin to be able to stay upright (Just!!). Great fight though, good for boxing

walshb

Daroxtar wrote: »

Provodnikov wasn't badly hurt but he was uncomfortable a few times,nice clean shots from Bradley and being a bit a little bit gassed but he didn't look like being stopped. Bradley however got the fright of his life a few times but he showed some character to hang on in there. I really didn't think he had that in him tbh. I think it showed in a way he has a good chin to be able to stay upright (Just!!). Great fight though, good for boxing

A fair assessment. Ruslan was hurt, not badly, and he was shook up several times as well. Overall Bradley was superior. Ruslan had the big moments, but Bradley had far more scoring moments, far more.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

This is not amateur boxing. It's not about the number of punches landed. It's marked round by round. .

I already acknowledged and agreed with this point.

T-K-O

Yup. Twas a great fight. I was pleasantly surprised by Bradley

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

I already acknowledged and agreed with this point.

Then why did you say "Bradley was easily out-scoring him"?

Out-punching and out-scoring are two different things.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

Then why did you say "Bradley was easily out-scoring him"?

Out-punching and out-scoring are two different things.

By out-scoring I was implying punches landed. Ok, out punching him with scoring shots, as in shots that landed effectively and cleanly. Semantics, semantics! I know that when one adds up rd scores based on the 10 point system that the fight is close. Bradley for me looked to have landed far more scoring punches.

megadodge

I agree it looks like I'm nit-picking with the language used, but it all stems back to you stating twice that you thought Bradley was a "clear winner", when it was a razor-close fight.

IMO Provodnikov can rightly feel aggrieved with the botched call in round 1 and the stupid scoring of round 2 - both of which cost him big.

Yet again, I have my suspicions of American officials (ref and all 3 judges were American) in a fight where a Yank is fighting a foreigner on American soil.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

Yet again, I have my suspicions of American officials (ref and all 3 judges were American) in a fight where a Yank is fighting a foreigner on American soil.

This is just baffling, oh, and so unfair! It happens. It shouldn't!