revenue raided bar showing domestic sky

snaps

Ok, seems strange but a local bar/bars in area have recently been raided for not showing commercial sky. This was done by revenue, who are seeking lost revenue in either bars showing foreign channels or domestic sky. First I thought it was a wind up, but then I was shown paperwork. Surely if this went to court it would be laughed out as I thought any vat paid on sky subs went to the UK cash pockets? Or are commercial subs different?

Frynge

Gonna have to ask for more info on this, mainly when where and anything to back it up.

Cantona's Collars

AFAIK any VAT on Sky commercial subs just like domestic ones go to the UK.

One place down my way got a VAT rebate from Sky as they had been overcharged.Nothing to do with Revenue here.

Maybe this is part of Ireland's "let's tax everything twice policy", just look at VRT on cars,illegal according to European law but it's still applied here.

t c

Don't have Sky, but presume if tax goes to UK you are being charged UK VAT rates and not Irish as they are less???????????

PogMoThoin

Businesses are registered for VAT here so do not pay UK VAT and deal with Irish revenue

snaps

I might see if I can get documentation on this, have to be careful on what details i give out. I know one bar was shut down at the start of the week also by the revenue, but their crimes went a lot further than showing football (But they were showing Norwegian streamed matches in the bar which was well known).

Howjoe1

snaps wrote: »

Ok, seems strange but a local bar/bars in area have recently been raided for not showing commercial sky. This was done by revenue, who are seeking lost revenue in either bars showing foreign channels or domestic sky. First I thought it was a wind up, but then I was shown paperwork. Surely if this went to court it would be laughed out as I thought any vat paid on sky subs went to the UK cash pockets? Or are commercial subs different?

the only party that would be concerned in this case would be Sky!

facts must be wrong

smcgiff

Revenue might target these businesses - maybe there's a strong correlation between cheating on their sky licence and other tax dodges.

snaps

smcgiff wrote: »

Revenue might target these businesses - maybe there's a strong correlation between cheating on their sky licence and other tax dodges.

I think you may well have hit the nail on the head, the bar that was physically closed was well known for being as dodgy as they come. In total 4 bars were visited this week by the Revenue.

Cantona's Collars

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Businesses are registered for VAT here so do not pay UK VAT and deal with Irish revenue

That goes without saying but Sky aren't 'normal' in that regard as virtually all monies paid to them goes to the UK.

If you were going to defraud the Revenue,I doubt showing domestic Sky in a pub would be high on the list of ways to do it:rolleyes:

Don't Sky have their own Complience Team that check up on pubs,hence the pint glass icon that's supposed to be on screen in pubs showing SkySports.

Anyhow,if a pub decides to show matches from a foreign provider,it'd have nothing to do with Revenue,they paid for the system & they pay for a tv license.

Something really doesn't seem right with this issue of Revenue pursuing bars over something as trivial as to where they get their sports coverage from.

mickko

Pubs pay 0% UK VAT as long as they supply Sky with their Irish VAT registration number.
Same as any company who wish to import something from another company in the EU.
If they haven't supplied Sky with their Irish VAT number, they are charged 20% UK VAT.

muffler

Someone's got the wrong end of the stick here. Revenue officers will never visit and close a pub just because they happen to be showing domestic Sky channels.

The only occasion that I am aware of where revenue shut a pub is for not having a valid liquor licence. They also check the alcoholic drink to make sure that it has been bought and paid for here and all duties paid and also that it is not "counterfeit"

Quite simply they cant shut a pub for showing telly or for non payment of VAT. They can prosecute someone for VAT evasion but thats about it.

Cantona's Collars

muffler wrote: »

Someone's got the wrong end of the stick here. Revenue officers will never visit and close a pub just because they happen to be showing domestic Sky channels.

The only occasion that I am aware of where revenue shut a pub is for not having a valid liquor licence. They also check the alcoholic drink to make sure that it has been bought and paid for here and all duties paid and also that it is not "counterfeit"

Quite simply they cant shut a pub for showing telly or for non payment of VAT. They can prosecute someone for VAT evasion but thats about it.

Maybe they made them turn the telly off as they explained as to why they were visiting.
Either that or it was the worst stag party ever.

As I said before,Revenue wouldn't visit pubs to make sure they are paying Sky properly.

dxhound2005

Keep an eye on future Revenue Defaulters lists. Prosecutions for failure to hold a Liquor Licence appear in Part 1.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/press/defaulters/index.html

t c

mickko wrote: »

Pubs pay 0% UK VAT as long as they supply Sky with their Irish VAT registration number.
Same as any company who wish to import something from another company in the EU.
If they haven't supplied Sky with their Irish VAT number, they are charged 20% UK VAT.

My point above. Even for the private household, if you purchase something from an EU country you pay their vat rate, not Irish.
I am not talking about Companies, who, by the way, can also pay vat at point of sale.
So to repeat, if vat on Irish Sky goes to UK, I presume Irish customers pay UK rates which are lower than ours............

PogMoThoin

t c wrote: »

My point above. Even for the private household, if you purchase something from an EU country you pay their vat rate, not Irish.
I am not talking about Companies, who, by the way, can also pay vat at point of sale.
So to repeat, if vat on Irish Sky goes to UK, I presume Irish customers pay UK rates which are lower than ours............

mickko is correct. There is no VAT charged to a business when an Irish VAT number is given. Residential customers pay UK VAT @ 20%

mitosis

zerks wrote: »

just look at VRT on cars,illegal according to European law but it's still applied here.

All due respect, but having been advised on these boards multiple times, why do you persist with this lie?

prettygurrly

in 2015 Irish customers VAT will go to our exchequer so it must be something other than Sky that those pubs were closed down for.

Sky does indeed go after pubs not buying the commercial rate of satellite tv and I wouldn't be surprised if they take them to court.

The Cush

Some changes coming to the VAT system from 2015 - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=80282824#post80282824

hfallada

Maybe revenue was just being slightly shady to try and get info on the place to look for tax evasion. The local corner shop beside me get an audit from "health and safety" who wanted to know about turnover and look at their accounts.

Cantona's Collars

mitosis wrote: »

All due respect, but having been advised on these boards multiple times, why do you persist with this lie?

When?

Your first ever post in the satellite forum & it's this.If I didn't know better I'd think you were trolling.

Ok,to keep you happy,it's frowned upon by The EU as it's contrary to it's single market policies.


Back on topic.
Here's Sky's policy on using domestic subs in pubs etc. http://business.sky.com/ROI/CustomerZone/FightingFraud/ no mention of Revenue.

Skull Murphy

Do people just spot these threads on the "front page" or what? It would seem any mention of tax (or tv licences) will attract those who normally would have no interest in the topics these tv tech forums are concerned with.

Or is it the mere mention of Sky?

snaps

ok, after a bit more digging yesterday, 2 pubs had their doors closed by the revenue, but this wasn't for showing domestic sky or foreign channels (even though they do have iptv in from abroad) rumour has it they were selling bottles/spirits brought from over the border. 1 pub certainly had it mentioned to them about the domestic sky by the revenue, it was also mentioned in documentation, but perhaps you are right, pubs doing dodgy things, often are doing a lot more dodgy things behind the scenes. On another note to this, does a commercial setanta sub have the pint glass?

Frynge

snaps wrote: »

ok, after a bit more digging yesterday, 2 pubs had their doors closed by the revenue, but this wasn't for showing domestic sky or foreign channels (even though they do have iptv in from abroad) rumour has it they were selling bottles/spirits brought from over the border. 1 pub certainly had it mentioned to them about the domestic sky by the revenue, it was also mentioned in documentation, but perhaps you are right, pubs doing dodgy things, often are doing a lot more dodgy things behind the scenes. On another note to this, does a commercial setanta sub have the pint glass?

Do you have any specific info or documentation to back up your claims. Having dealt with revenue before on a matter it seem very strange that "1 pub had it mentioned" revenue don't give a damn what you do so long as it doesn't effect them.

snaps

Frynge wrote: »

Do you have any specific info or documentation to back up your claims. Having dealt with revenue before on a matter it seem very strange that "1 pub had it mentioned" revenue don't give a damn what you do so long as it doesn't effect them.

no, nothing in hand. I'm suspecting it was a way to get into the place to see what else was going on as 2 other bars were up to no good.

muffler

Skull Murphy wrote: »

Do people just spot these threads on the "front page" or what? It would seem any mention of tax (or tv licences) will attract those who normally would have no interest in the topics these tv tech forums are concerned with.

Or is it the mere mention of Sky?

And here was me thinking this was a discussion forum

muffler

snaps wrote: »

ok, after a bit more digging yesterday, 2 pubs had their doors closed by the revenue, but this wasn't for showing domestic sky or foreign channels (even though they do have iptv in from abroad) rumour has it they were selling bottles/spirits brought from over the border.

No surprises there really. It was mentioned earlier as being a possible reason.

snaps wrote: »

1 pub certainly had it mentioned to them about the domestic sky by the revenue, it was also mentioned in documentation

I know you are only relating here what you've been told but you have to understand that a publican who has had his premises shut is not going to tell you why especially if it has to do with something the customers would be unhappy with. Instead he will invent a yarn about something else - something that customers would see no harm in.