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Question on void bet/postponed race/overnight declarations

  • 16-03-2013 12:03pm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,204 ✭✭✭

    Just wondering where I stand on this because I don't really understand the overnight declarations bit.

    Placed a lucky 15 bet on tuesday the 12th at 12.30 which included Big Shu in the Glenfarclus in Cheltenham. The race was postponed until Thursday. The horse went on to win the race but my bet was voided and returned.

    Do I have any recourse to dispute the voided bet? I'm confused about the overnight declarations bit. What exactly does this mean? I had 2 others win in this lucky 15 so really gutted they voided the 3rd winner.

    Had a quick look online and found the following:

    "1425: The cross-country race will not now take place today, but be put back to 5.15 on Thursday and staged before the charity race. Final declarations will stand. I wonder if that decision hasn't been taken with an eye on getting all available manpower to get the covers down as soon as possible after the novice handicap chase this evening."

    "Glenfarclas Cross Country Chase postponed
    Posted by racenews on Tuesday, March 12, 2013 · Leave a Comment
    The Cross Country course is not fit for racing this afternoon, with parts still frozen, and the Glenfarclas Cross Country Handicap Steeplechase has been postponed until 5.15pm on Thursday when the charity Flat race will move to 5.45pm.
    The transfer to Thursday, rather than tomorrow, will give more time for the course to become raceable again.
    The declared runners for the Glenfarclas Cross Country Handicap Steeplechase will stand for Thursday’s race."

    I placed the bet on and their T&C state:

    "1. Ante-post

    An ante-post wager is defined as a wager taken at a price, anytime before 10 a.m. on the day that the final declaration to run is made.
    Ante-post wagers are accepted on the basis all-in run or not, entered or not. Except where specifically stated otherwise, stakes are lost on an ante-post bet if a selection does not take part and no Tattersalls' Rule 4(c) deductions are made from winning ante-post bets.
    When the same horse is taken to win two or more races in ante-post doubles, trebles and accumulators special reduced odds will be laid.
    On days when classic or other trials occur, ante-post betting may be suspended and new prices issued.
    Jockey Club Rule 121 decrees that stewards are empowered to reduce the numbers in a race if, at the overnight declaration stage, too many have been left in for the safety of horses and jockeys. Ante-post bets on horses compulsorily withdrawn in these circumstances will be void and stakes returned.
    Ante-post bets are settled at the Price and Place terms applicable at the time of acceptance. Should a wrong Price or Place terms be given in error we reserve the right to settle the bet at the correct Price/Place terms that were available at the time the bet was struck.
    Should a wager struck at a price on the day of an event couple selection(s) in that event with selection(s) in future event(s) then if the first selection(s) does not run the wager will be executed on the remaining selection(s) on the basis of all-in, run or not
    2. Postponed Races

    If a race is postponed to another day and overnight declarations stand, then bets stand. However, single bets on horse racing will be made void and any selection involved in accumulative bets will be treated as a non-runner if:

    a. The race is abandoned.
    b. The race is officially declared void.
    c. The conditions of the race are altered after bets are made (as defined under Tattersalls’ rules).
    d. The venue is altered.
    e. The running surface is altered (e.g., Turf to Dirt/All Weather or vice versa)."

    I've read that other people were paid out on this horse after disputing the T&C with them. One chap got paid out but he placed his bet on the 10th so maybe that falls outside the overnight declarations bit which is why he was covered. Can someone confirm please if I have a leg to stand on here before I get onto them?



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭carly_86

    All bets were made void except antepost. Some betting shops let the bets stand if it was placed on the Tuesday others didn't

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,603 ✭✭✭✭okidoki987

    Can't remember who it was but saw one bookie gave the punters the option of either letting it stand for the Thursday or void it.
    There was a cut off time and date for your decision but wasn't really looking at the T&C's.
    Fight your case, you'll be no worse off.