Race Results

michaelm

Just wondering if anyone finds it as frustrating as I do on a Sat/Sun during the racing season when looking for results? Would it be a good idea if there was some protocol in place where race organisers agree to submit full results by a particular time each race day? At the moment it seems to be very hit or miss and down to the goodwill of someone at the event to maybe tweet the first few over the line. It would be unheard of if soccer, GAA, rugby results etc were not available immediately after the game, could we not try to do the same with cycling?

buffalo

Not particularly. If someone I know is racing, I can always text them to see if they've won. If someone in the club is racing, and they get a good result, it'll be up on the website soon enough.

After that, I don't mind waiting 'til later on.

Raam

Submit results where? For my CX race I published them on my website. Then Sticky Bottle emailed me asking for a link to 'em.

531

It would be unheard of if soccer, GAA, rugby results etc were not available immediately after the game, could we not try to do the same with cycling?[/QUOTE]

Maybe not at the highest levels of soccer, GAA, rugby etc. Of course it would be nice to get results quickly but I think the many unpaid volunteers who make bike races happen have enough to do without putting extra pressures on them. Results are usually available after a few hours, on here, on hosting club sites or on irishcycling.com (if and when it returns, I hope it does) and on stickybottle.com, isn't that quick enough?

dedocdude

Theres a lad on twitter - irish cycling results or some handle like that who publishes all the results - seems to have his finger on the pulse - i will search for his link

Arthurdaly

I suspect the priority is sorting out the paperwork, prize presentations etc. Is it not generally on Stickybottle early the same evening? Has been for the races I have been involved with and I think the turnaround is pretty good.

Raam

dedocdude wrote: »

Theres a lad on twitter - irish cycling results or some handle like that who publishes all the results - seems to have his finger on the pulse - i will search for his link

LOL!

morana

fair point michael. Kay howard used to be the results coordinator but not anymore.I think it would be good to have her back.

michaelm

Points taken. just to clarify I totally appreciate the efforts of Stickybottle etc but I think even they have difficulty getting their hands on some results. There are some races so far this year that I have not been able to find results for. I am particularly interested in following a few cyclists in each province to see how they are progressing and would love if it were easier and more predictable to get results. Maybe I am on my own on this but I would love to be able to look up results for the season to date in one place ( I know that sounds awfully lazy but I do think it would help promote the sport). As regards the volunteer - I totally understand as I have been (and hope to remain!) that person but when doing the paperwork it is not a major extra workload to email it to those that are doing trojan work to spread the news. I am always taken by the small number of spectators at race finishes and just wonder would this be helped in some small way if it were possible for fans of cycling to track the progress of our top performers and therefore make it possible for these to get their name out there.

buffalo

morana wrote: »

fair point michael. Kay howard used to be the results coordinator but not anymore.I think it would be good to have her back.

What's this position entail? Collating results from around the country and publishing them via CI?

RobFowl

buffalo wrote: »

What's this position entail? Collating results from around the country and publishing them via CI?

Yep and Kay did it diligently and well and for little if any reward.

MichealD

dedocdude wrote: »

Theres a lad on twitter - irish cycling results or some handle like that who publishes all the results - seems to have his finger on the pulse - i will search for his link

Ha, the biggest troll on twitter! The account name should not give anyone the impression that he actually produces any results.

Brads locks

More like Irish cycling lack of results , who ever runs that account is trying badly to get a reaction , blocked him a while back , he hasn't been missed

michaelm

Just a suggestion based on this discussion so far; In my day job as a teacher where IT is one of my subjects I am always on the lookout for opportunities for TY/LCVP students to get some real world experience. How about race organisers offering the task of collating and uploading the results from their particular race? It would simply involve sitting down with the race official and the commissaires - entering the results on a prepared form and forwarding to, say, CI and Stickybottle? As I see it everybody would benefit.

buffalo

Presumably the results from open races are reported to CI for points and ranking purposes... can't these be published?

michaelm

True! So it would appear much of this is just a question of co-ordination and timing. The information is actually there at the end of each day, just a question of making it available.

dedocdude

michaelm wrote: »

entering the results on a prepared form and forwarding to, say, CI and Stickybottle?

for sure its how you would handle this, buts its not SB's job to be responsible for race results - these things are transient - like irishcycling.com - these websites will come and go - CI is the body running these events and so theres where the responsibility lies. its such a small organisation, this new position they are advertising at the moment could probably be responsible for this task, but if this person would be at the Sunday race in Leinster and no one on at the Munster race updates them on the results, its back to square one.

I asked recently on race threads here on boards.ie for lads to mention the results when they are back online after an event doing a race report. there was no interest in this.

Bike racing is a small community - everyone has the technology in their pocket to do this - still we can seem to organise this.

over the years, I've got up in races that were never reported or points awarded for. Jeez Kelly should have given the Rapport Tour a miss and just stayed here, eh? Now i know where Tyler got the name for his book!

Lumen

dedocdude wrote: »

I asked recently on race threads here on boards.ie for lads to mention the results when they are back online after an event doing a race report. there was no interest in this.

Why do you think that is?

morana

buffalo wrote: »

Presumably the results from open races are reported to CI for points and ranking purposes... can't these be published?

points are only given when a comms report comes in usually a few days after the event.

One soul here has volunteered and we will see how it goes.

buffalo

morana wrote: »

points are only given when a comms report comes in usually a few days after the event.

One soul here has volunteered and we will see how it goes.

I noticed that the points seem to have been updated very quickly after a few races this year, but I guess that may not always be the case.

Sure see how it goes with that sucker! :P

dedocdude

Lumen wrote: »

Why do you think that is?

I dont know - i thought since lads were at races, and they are posting here directly afterwards, it would be ideal opportunity to publicize race results.

joe50

dedocdude wrote: »

I dont know - i thought since lads were at races, and they are posting here directly afterwards, it would be ideal opportunity to publicize race results.

fwiw, I'll happily post any of the results i know, was a bit surprised by the reaction you got with that other thread too in fairness

Hmmzis

dedocdude wrote: »

I dont know - i thought since lads were at races, and they are posting here directly afterwards, it would be ideal opportunity to publicize race results.

From my point of view it's a bit difficult for someone new to racing (like myself) to know who that guys was who raised his arms on the finish line. And if it's a bunch sprint then the organizers have to check the photos to figure out whom to give the points to.

From the couple races that I've done so far I've always had to read up Stickybottle to learn who won and who got points.

buffalo

When you're finishing a race, it's rare that you know any result straight off. The exception is your own, obviously. One can usually find out the club of the winner, but their name is harder to get a lot of the time. If guys in my club place, I'll know where they came because word spreads among clubmates.

If I didn't place, nor anyone I drove out with, I'm off home usually, because otherwise you're standing around slowly freezing at the moment.

I'll hang around sometimes if it's an early start and I'm not stuck for time, or I will if I place. But it's a list of about twenty names and clubs - am I going to remember all of them, and then come home and type them out? Priority is stretching, feeding, showering, texting my Mammy to let her know I didn't win, and by then they're usually online via the organising club's site, or Sticky Bottle.

If I hear who won, sure, I'll post it. But I hope this helps you understand why lads aren't leaping at the chance to inform you who won the A4 bunch sprint in the Ballydehob GP.


edit: no offence to anyone from Ballydehob intended.

second edit: twice since the season started, I've had one clubmate who's not even realised he was in the prizes when he crossed the line. In one case, I texted him congratulations after reading the results online, and that was when he found out. Perhaps this is a symptom of a wider issue with races, but again, it's why participating riders don't post results.

dedocdude

Fair enough - I was thinking more of the lads who get a pot - I know if ur not waiting for cash theres no point in hanging around, unless the club have laid on the sangers and tae (which they should all be doing, especially now most races seem to be €15 a pop) - even if you just noted the lads in ur race. 5 other names. not so bad.

Also its a good history record of a race when they come around next year when you want to look back at last years results.