Noise complaint about our children...

ad1234

Hi all

I live in a duplex apt, with a single seperate apt below in quite a built up area.

Thing is the people below us are constantly complaining about the noise our kids make in the morning, the two they complain about are 18mths and 3. They say there is constant banging in the morns and screaming. (the odd time my 3yr old will have a tantrum).

I just don't know what to do. We put down rugs and don't wear shoes in the house and I dont let my kids play in our outside area any more, yet still complaints.

The mgmt company said they are taking it to the prtb, our land lords are on our side on this though and can't see what else can be done. They (the mgmt comp) have also contacted out neighbours from either side to ask of they have complaints to ad.

What can be a result of this?? I'm so upset and stressed over it and can't afford to move, what are we facing anybody know? X

athtrasna

By any chance are there children in the neighbouring ground floor unit? I live in such a duplex and our ground floor neighbour say they've never heard noise from us or use from them but we can both hear next door to our units.

You said you put down rugs, are there wooden floors in the apartment?

loyatemu

seriously doubt the PRTB could do anything about it, even if they wanted to. They're only kids - your neighbours sound like intolerant jerks.

ad1234

loyatemu wrote: »

seriously doubt the PRTB could do anything about it, even if they wanted to. They're only kids - your neighbours sound like intolerant jerks.

Thanks, I hope so too. There really horrible people, best part is they just had a baby themselves, which is a new born, so all she does is sleep, there in for some shock.

It's just so worrying, I'm not one who's comfortable 'being in trouble'. And sick of bring afraid to move in my own house or have relatives over.

ad1234

athtrasna wrote: »

By any chance are there children in the neighbouring ground floor unit? I live in such a duplex and our ground floor neighbour say they've never heard noise from us or use from them but we can both hear next door to our units.

You said you put down rugs, are there wooden floors in the apartment?

Hi yes there's a boy next to them, 3 as well. All he does us cry too and from what I know the neighbours don't get along, yes there's wooden floors but only in one room and we put down rugs, we can't fully carpet as one of the kids has asthma. Do you think they might hear someone else too? We can hear very clearly either side to us.

Victor

People are most sensitive to changes in noise level, not the actual noise level.

Play the radio in the morning at a normal level. That should mask the worst of it.

jimmycrackcorm

ad1234 wrote: »

Thanks, I hope so too. There really horrible people, best part is they just had a baby themselves, which is a new born, so all she does is sleep, there in for some shock.

It's just so worrying, I'm not one who's comfortable 'being in trouble'. And sick of bring afraid to move in my own house or have relatives over.

Ignore them - they'll learn soon enough.

athtrasna

ad1234 wrote: »

Hi yes there's a boy next to them, 3 as well. All he does us cry too and from what I know the neighbours don't get along, yes there's wooden floors but only in one room and we put down rugs, we can't fully carpet as one of the kids has asthma. Do you think they might hear someone else too? We can hear very clearly either side to us.

Wooden floors are typically not allowed in apartments higher than ground level. They amplify noise and would act against you in a case. Did you put them down or your landlord?

Yawns

Tbh I wouldn't worry about it. What exactly will happen when someone in PRTB reviews the case. Noise complaint after 8am about a 3 year old and a 18 month old baby. Best of luck to him.

Solution: Maybe he should move to a detached house if he wants absolute peace. If he wants apartment living, then he has to accept the daily life of others around him.

For the people who think kids shouldn't be raised in apartments, of which there are many many people in Ireland who have this view, the early answer to that is to look to the many countries around the world where it is normal to raise families in apartment living.

Quick question re: the wooden flooring. Over the last few years I've lived in 2 different apartment complexes in 2 different counties. Both had wooden flooring put in as standard when built and are in the plans. The hotel and apartment complex where I worked, all the apartments had wooden floors in the hallways, kitchens & living rooms put in as per the plans. Where would one stand with the PRTB with that. The LL nor tenant put in the wooden flooring, but the council would have signed off on the plans so to speak.

ad1234

Hi there was wooden floors as standard then the landlord had some plumbing issues and put down carpet after work done and had more leaks so just put back down the wooden floors.

wexie

Yawns wrote: »

Quick question re: the wooden flooring. Over the last few years I've lived in 2 different apartment complexes in 2 different counties. Both had wooden flooring put in as standard when built and are in the plans. The hotel and apartment complex where I worked, all the apartments had wooden floors in the hallways, kitchens & living rooms put in as per the plans. Where would one stand with the PRTB with that. The LL nor tenant put in the wooden flooring, but the council would have signed off on the plans so to speak.

I've dealt with this extensively in the past (moany aul cow living downstairs) and from what I remember the rules are that wooden floors are perfectly acceptable in apartments provided a decent underlay is used which should insulate sufficiently (the felt type, not the thin plastic stuff).

With regards to your downstairs neighbours OP, depending on what your relationship/interaction has been with them so far you could have them over for breakfast/dinner/drinks/coffee or so so they can have a good chance to see what's going on in your house. Once they see that your kids aren't feral muck savages (I'll just assume they're not) maybe they can get to terms with modern apartment living.

If the relationship is already soured may I suggest a decent surround system and frequent late night viewings of movies like We Were Soldiers, Jurassic Park, anything that will give the subs a good workout really.

athtrasna

Yawns wrote: »

Quick question re: the wooden flooring. Over the last few years I've lived in 2 different apartment complexes in 2 different counties. Both had wooden flooring put in as standard when built and are in the plans. The hotel and apartment complex where I worked, all the apartments had wooden floors in the hallways, kitchens & living rooms put in as per the plans. Where would one stand with the PRTB with that. The LL nor tenant put in the wooden flooring, but the council would have signed off on the plans so to speak.

It depends on what's in the leases/deeds. All of the ones I've seen have strictly prohibited wooden floors. We looked at a few developments before we bought and all had the same conditions.

How Strange

Some but not all leases do prohibit wooden flooring but the owners overlook it/ignore it.

Op, I really can't see what the management co will achieve by going to the prtb. You've got a young family and they make noise. We've a family living above us with 2 kids under 5. The youngest seems to cry a lot and bang toys on the wooden floor and cycle a little bike around at all hours. I've never considered making a complaint as they're very nice people trying to raise their family. Now we gave a toddler with another on the way so it'll be us making the noise for the next few years.

I'm glad your landlord is on your side but perhaps get in contact with threshold as they may mediate on your behalf with the management co. I had an experience when I was the managing agent for a property where the management co wanted the family of a teenage girl evicted because she was causing a lot of anti social behaviour (which in that case she actually was) but threshold intervened and the management co had to take a big step back from being so aggressive and work towards a mediated resolution.

ad1234

How Strange wrote: »

Some but not all leases do prohibit wooden flooring but the owners overlook it/ignore it.

Op, I really can't see what the management co will achieve by going to the prtb. You've got a young family and they make noise. We've a family living above us with 2 kids under 5. The youngest seems to cry a lot and bang toys on the wooden floor and cycle a little bike around at all hours. I've never considered making a complaint as they're very nice people trying to raise their family. Now we gave a toddler with another on the way so it'll be us making the noise for the next few years.

I'm glad your landlord is on your side but perhaps get in contact with threshold as they may mediate on your behalf with the management co. I had an experience when I was the managing agent for a property where the management co wanted the family of a teenage girl evicted because she was causing a lot of anti social behaviour (which in that case she actually was) but threshold intervened and the management co had to take a big step back from being so aggressive and work towards a mediated resolution.

Thanks! I think il give them a call in the morning! Do you know is there anywhere to complain about the management comp to? Actually approaching other neighbours looking for complaints can't be right?? Thinking now too it might not just be us, the last complaint said it has stopped for a bit and started back, and our neighbours to the left have been away for a month...

68Murph68

I would advise you not to be one bit worried about this.

Given you have a raft of people still living in houses they bought despite the fact they havent paid a penny towards their mortgage for two years, its clear that there is very little the PRTB can do.

Explain that you have put down a number of rugs.

Explain that you don't wear shoes in the house.

Explain that you don't let your children play in the outside area.

Explain that you have stopped inviting people over to your residence

Ask the complainants for their evidence of this constant noise.

Do they any specific evidence of the level of noise in terms of decibels?

Ask them what specific measures they would like you to do? It should be fun to see what advice they give as regards keeping a three year old throwing a tantrum quiet.

Maybe track the three years old tantrums the next while.

You can submit this as "evidence" - describe the time, length , and nature.

Also if they have a new-born even if its sleeping all the time at the very minimum their sleep routine will have been affected by feeds. Even if the baby feeds no problem, they are most likely spending a lot of time simply caring for the baby so they will have received a major upheaval in terms of their lifestyle. As such this change in their routine could be causing them to be extra sensitive to any noise.

Explain that you have done everything possible to minimise the level of noise but there is nothing else you can do. It's not like you are deliberately throwing parties until 5 in the morning. Any of the noise they are complaining about seems to be of the nature of something you can't do anything about and that you have done everything to minimise.

A lot of the time people with noise complaints in apartment complexes are those who have moved from detached houses. There can be a significant difference in terms of acceptable background noise in a detached house compared to in an apartment complex.

Overall don't worry - there is no chance you will have to move. It's clear the problem isnt on your side, it's your neighbour's that have the issue.

athtrasna

ad1234 wrote: »

Thanks! I think il give them a call in the morning! Do you know is there anywhere to complain about the management comp to? Actually approaching other neighbours looking for complaints can't be right?? Thinking now too it might not just be us, the last complaint said it has stopped for a bit and started back, and our neighbours to the left have been away for a month...

The management company would be acting appropriately to seek investigate a persistent noise complaint. That may include approaching neighbours to see if they could confirm that it wasn't just someone making it up.

Cienciano

ad1234 wrote: »

Thanks, I hope so too. There really horrible people, best part is they just had a baby themselves, which is a new born, so all she does is sleep, there in for some shock.

This. They obviously don't know what kids are like, and they'll soon find out in a few months when their little newborn starts to crawl, walk and grab and throw everything.

Dwork

ad1234 wrote: »

Thanks, I hope so too. There really horrible people, best part is they just had a baby themselves, which is a new born, so all she does is sleep, there in for some shock.

It's just so worrying, I'm not one who's comfortable 'being in trouble'. And sick of bring afraid to move in my own house or have relatives over.

You need to develop your inner "fcuk off, eat siht and die". Make more noise, and get harder. With a little luck, the whingers will move out.:) Kids are noisy, they need to get over it, or die trying. You can always spot the "no kids types" in a restaurant, they're the ones tutting at the wailing toddler. Fcuk off, would be my attitude. Yes, I have kids.

djimi

The management company need to get your neighbours to make some recordings of said noise. If it is as bad as they are making it out to be then they shouldnt have a hard time compiling some evidence to back up their claims.

Have you tried asking your neighbours if you can come into their place to hear the so called noise for yourself?

I suspect the problem here is that you live in one of the many apartment buildings in this country that are built to the lowest standard that is humanly possible without them being at risk of physically falling down... So many modern apartments have paper thin walls and no insulation, so you may as well all be living in one great big room the way that sound travels. Unfortunately there is practically nothing that you can do, short of buying several thousand boxes of eggs to soundproof your walls, and hope that your neighbours do the same!

djimi

Dwork wrote: »

You need to develop your inner "fcuk off, eat siht and die". Make more noise, and get harder. With a little luck, the whingers will move out.:) Kids are noisy, they need to get over it, or die trying. You can always spot the "no kids types" in a restaurant, they're the ones tutting at the wailing toddler. Fcuk off, would be my attitude. Yes, I have kids.

No, they need to find out just how much of a problem this is first of all, try and see if they can see it from the neighbours point of view, then determine if there are any change that can be made to resolve the issue. Kids are noisy, but that doesnt mean your neighbours should have to put up with listening to them if they are being excessively noisy or if something can be done to alleviate the problem.

Dwork

djimi wrote: »

No, they need to find out just how much of a problem this is first of all, try and see if they can see it from the neighbours point of view, then determine if there are any change that can be made to resolve the issue. Kids are noisy, but that doesnt mean your neighbours should have to put up with listening to them if they are being excessively noisy or if something can be done to alleviate the problem.

You've no kids, so?

djimi

What difference does it make whether I do or not? If my neighbours are complaining about a noise coming from my property, be it kids, a dog, loud music etc, Id like to think that I would investigate if indeed I am causing a problem and if there is something that I can do to resolve the issue rather than just saying **** them let them get on with it and put up with it. Civilized adults try to resolve problems, not start fights with their neighbours.

Gatling

Been your land lord is on your side I suspect this isnt the first time this neighbor has complaints against the previous tenants some thing that a regular accurance in apartment complexes where one individual seems to take a dislike to people renting chances are he's an owner taken offence to rental tenants hence the prtb action don't actually think they can get involved surely the complaint should have been made to the management company then the landlord,

Supercell

I rented for more than 20 years before buying and people with kids didn't come close to people that had party nights every bloody weekend with whooohooo shouted all night. One apartment i lived beside had drums..try that on at 5am before you head into work for a 6am start..

You neighbours need to get a grip, children screaming, crying are part of normal everyday living. At least kids go to sleep usually at night and don't play loud music, drums and shout "whooohooo" at silly o'clock .

OP rest easy, kids screaming is real life - nobody is going too throw you on the street for that. The next tenant could be a whole Richter scale of noise worse than that and they know it.

Dwork

djimi wrote: »

What difference does it make whether I do or not? If my neighbours are complaining about a noise coming from my property, be it kids, a dog, loud music etc, Id like to think that I would investigate if indeed I am causing a problem and if there is something that I can do to resolve the issue rather than just saying **** them let them get on with it and put up with it. Civilized adults try to resolve problems, not start fights with their neighbours.

So. No kids. Come back when you have some. Let us know how you keep them quiet.:)

djimi

Supercell wrote: »

You neighbours need to get a grip, children screaming, crying are part of normal everyday living. At least kids go to sleep usually at night and don't play loud music, drums and shout "whooohooo" at silly o'clock .

OP rest easy, kids screaming is real life - nobody is going too throw you on the street for that. The next tenant could be a whole Richter scale of noise worse than that and they know it.

Kids screaming is not part of every day life for those who do not have kids in their house.

I completely agree that when choosing to live in an apartment you must accept that there is going to be ambient noise from your neighbours and it is something that you have to get used to. But the other side of that is that you also must accept that you have neighbours who live in very close proximity to you, and that it is your responsibility to ensure that you cause them as little disturbance as is possible. Im aware that where children are involved it is not always that easy to limit the noise, but it is up to parents to make every effort to try. That goes for any noise; not just children. I dont want to listen to my neighbours kids screaming any more than they want to listen to me playing my guitar excessively loudly. Its about finding a balance.

djimi

Dwork wrote: »

So. No kids. Come back when you have some. Let us know how you keep them quiet.:)

If you were my neighbour would you appreciate me playing my guitar loudly?

Dwork

djimi wrote: »

If you were my neighbour would you appreciate me playing my guitar loudly?

I love guitar. Are you any good? It might quieten down the kids..

djimi

Dwork wrote: »

I love guitar. Are you any good? It might quieten down the kids..

Not the stuff I play it wouldnt! I like to play loud, at night usually. Would that bother you, or would you just get on with it?

Gatling

djimi wrote: »

Not the stuff I play it wouldnt! I like to play loud, at night usually. Would that bother you, or would you just get on with it?

I'd let you play till 11pm and if you wake the missus and the kids on a school night after that then I'd borrow your guitar or guitar's most people I know always have more than one,

Then invite my friend's to play country all day or night on said borrowed item's and then ask is that annoying you

Dwork

djimi wrote: »

Not the stuff I play it wouldnt! I like to play loud, at night usually. Would that bother you, or would you just get on with it?

Like I said, I love guitar. I probably wouldn't hear you over the kids anyway. Great skill to have. Guitar that is. Anyone can have kids..:)

djimi

Id prefer to listen to country music than to screaming kids :pac:

Well, actually no, thats probably not entirely true...

Supercell

djimi wrote: »

Kids screaming is not part of every day life for those who do not have kids in their house.

I completely agree that when choosing to live in an apartment you must accept that there is going to be ambient noise from your neighbours and it is something that you have to get used to. But the other side of that is that you also must accept that you have neighbours who live in very close proximity to you, and that it is your responsibility to ensure that you cause them as little disturbance as is possible. Im aware that where children are involved it is not always that easy to limit the noise, but it is up to parents to make every effort to try. That goes for any noise; not just children. I dont want to listen to my neighbours kids screaming any more than they want to listen to me playing my guitar excessively loudly. Its about finding a balance.

Kids screaming will be be erratic and occasional, your guitar playing will likely last for hours and be regular. As someone that rented beside both, I'd take the kids any day of your guitar strumming. As to your suggestions to parents to "limit the noise" ..all i can say is LOL - do you think the parents enjoy the kids noise? One day you might be a parent and will understand.

Gatling

djimi wrote: »

Id prefer to listen to country music than to screaming kids :pac:

Well, actually no, thats probably not entirely true...

I'd prefer iron maiden but I've 2 kids your probably know what I get to listen to more

ad1234

djimi wrote: »

Kids screaming is not part of every day life for those who do not have kids in their house.

I completely agree that when choosing to live in an apartment you must accept that there is going to be ambient noise from your neighbours and it is something that you have to get used to. But the other side of that is that you also must accept that you have neighbours who live in very close proximity to you, and that it is your responsibility to ensure that you cause them as little disturbance as is possible. Im aware that where children are involved it is not always that easy to limit the noise, but it is up to parents to make every effort to try. That goes for any noise; not just children. I dont want to listen to my neighbours kids screaming any more than they want to listen to me playing my guitar excessively loudly. Its about finding a balance.

They are children, little people!! Not some object to be turned on and off when suited!

Your comments are simply moronic!

If you read the above I have limited the noise to the best I can through many steps but guess what, their kids!

Please tell me how to tell a 18mth old how she's upsetting people befow her by shutting press doors too hard!! I'm only human, I can't be there to do every action for them and I defiantly Wont put my hand over their mouth when they are too loud! And if u did have kids u would be well aware that when dealing with a tantrum there is very little u can do as u will only make it worse!

I have lived under horrible tenants before who did nothing but party so I know the feeling that's y I took steps I did but short of bounding and gagging very little children what else do they expect!

nibtrix

Sounds like you've done what you can to mitigate the noise, I wouldn't worry about it any more.

ad1234 wrote: »

Please tell me how to tell a 18mth old how she's upsetting people befow her by shutting press doors too hard!!

You can get sound-dampening buffers for the doors. They're cheap and easy to install. They might or might not be effective but for the sake of a tenner it's another point in your favour in the dispute!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0075E98CK

ad1234

nibtrix wrote: »

Sounds like you've done what you can to mitigate the noise, I wouldn't worry about it any more.



You can get sound-dampening buffers for the doors. They're cheap and easy to install. They might or might not be effective but for the sake of a tenner it's another point in your favour in the dispute!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0075E98CK

Thanks!

How Strange

Op, I think this is why threshold is the best option. They'll intervene and put some control on the situation. They have more 'teeth' than the prtb a d they usually act quite quickly.

A management company is just a board of directors made up of owners. They bring their own prejudices, opinions etc to that job. They may simply not want kids and families in the development. One of the people complaining could be a friend or even a director. I knew of one management vo where the strongest directors were bullies and tried to rule with iron fists.

So you need someone strong behind you to defend your rights. Your landlord could also go down the legal route with a restraining order if he/she feels you're being subjected to unreasonable behaviour by the directors. If they're victimising you then they're in the wrong. Even if the insulation and the build quality is poor in the development that's not your fault.

djimi

ad1234 wrote: »

They are children, little people!! Not some object to be turned on and off when suited!

Your comments are simply moronic!

If you read the above I have limited the noise to the best I can through many steps but guess what, their kids!

Please tell me how to tell a 18mth old how she's upsetting people befow her by shutting press doors too hard!! I'm only human, I can't be there to do every action for them and I defiantly Wont put my hand over their mouth when they are too loud! And if u did have kids u would be well aware that when dealing with a tantrum there is very little u can do as u will only make it worse!

I have lived under horrible tenants before who did nothing but party so I know the feeling that's y I took steps I did but short of bounding and gagging very little children what else do they expect!

Listen, all I'm saying is that if (and I stress the if) your children are being excessively noisy then it's up to you to deal with it. Hence the reason why I suggested getting some proper evidence from your neighbours so that you can gauge exactly what they see to be a problem. It more than likely is that they are being too sensitive, buy maybe if you hear things from their point of view you might see something that would help you alleviate the issue. It's just a suggestion to try and resolve the problem. If nothing else, at least it shows them that you are trying to work with them.

I'm not sure how to properly articulate my point without coming across like one of those cranky childless people who can't tolerate a single noise that a child makes, so I'll probably leave it at that. I'm not trying to suggest that children should not ever make noise, nor am I saying that it's up to parents to ensure that their children are silent.

JONJO THE MISER

And this is why i always advise people not to buy apartments, its okay when your single but when you want to have kids, bringing them up in a apartment is not the best thing.

Solair

I'd add that a lot of Irish apartments also have relatively poor sound-proofing (there are a few exceptions but not many).

We rented in central Cork a few years ago and there were wild parties, gates banging at all hours, people running washing machines into the night - totally crazy stuff.

I actually don't think kids running around is THAT bad, but the apartment should be built properly in the first place.

I lived in continental apartments and people did lots of normal stuff but the sound didn't travel through the structures of the building as it was properly sound proofed and well-designed.

I've rented apartments here were you could hear everything from above/next door. It's often not the people's fault, it's the construction companies' when it's just normal noise.

Gatling

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

And this is why i always advise people not to buy apartments, its okay when your single but when you want to have kids, bringing them up in a apartment is not the best thing.

The rest of European countries have huge population's raised in apartments for generations ,the problem is and always will be people with power trips owners v rentals ,
Kid make noise and so do single people but yet families get crucified by management companies for making noise ,

I'd love for a law change that would allow rental tenants to be part of apartment association's

witchgirl26

OP - I have to agree to an extent with what djimi is trying to get across. Not saying that you have to keep your kids silent all the time but if there is persistent noise complaints, I would expect the management company to investigate. If you can show that you've done all you can to mitigate the noise and that it's not occuring at unreasonable hours (ie 5am banging & stuff like that) then you should be fine. And from the sounds of it you have done this.

I live in apartments with wooden floors (standard throughout the block). My upstairs neighbours have kids & sometimes it does frustrate me when I can hear them but unless it was a ridiculous amount of noise at unreasonable hours, I'd never dream to complain.

I hope it gets resolved for you OP and in your favour too.

the_syco

ad1234 wrote: »

Thinking now too it might not just be us, the last complaint said it has stopped for a bit and started back, and our neighbours to the left have been away for a month...

3+3=10, tbh. It seems that they've gotten noise problems, looked for what could cause noise, saw your kids, and decided to blame your kids for the noise. Perhaps when they come back with when all the noise happened, and stopped, you can point them towards the other neighbours?

Dwork wrote: »

So. No kids. Come back when you have some. Let us know how you keep them quiet.:)

YOU WEREN'T THERE, MAAAAN, YOU WEREN'T AT VEEET-F**KING-NAM, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THE SCREAMS I HEARD, MAAAAN...
Bullsh|t.

Supercell wrote: »

..all i can say is LOL - do you think the parents enjoy the kids noise? One day you might be a parent and will understand.

Although true to a point, some parents shouldn't be parents. The OP sounds grand, and they've done more than enough, so it's not directed at them. More towards the parents who feel it's okay for their little terrors to be roaming the streets at 1am when they're not even ten years old, and leave them alone in the apartment during the day.

Gatling wrote: »

The rest of European countries have huge population's raised in apartments for generations

Since the Celtic Tiger, the Irish have forgotten how to build decent apartments for the most part. Apartments are so bad you can hear the neighbours pissing into the toilet next door (I kid you not).

Gatling

Yeah but in fairness apartment's built over the last say 50 years across europe don't have sound proofing or double or triple glazing either but yet people managed to live in peace together and it seem's maintain a sense of community, where here its all about my space my comfort ,my,my,my its shouldn't be a case oh you have no right have kids if living in an apartment or raising families in an apartment,

A bit of maturity and community goes a long way

username123

Yawns wrote: »

Solution: Maybe he should move to a detached house if he wants absolute peace. If he wants apartment living, then he has to accept the daily life of others around him.

You know I could just as easily say, if people want to raise children without disturbing their neighbours then they should move to a detached house.

The funny thing about either of those solutions is the absolute intolerance and immaturity of both.

Adults who live in apartments need to accept that there will be some amount of noise from surrounding apartments. But they also need to accept that if they are excessively bothering a neighbour with noise, they should reasonably try to resolve that. Im not paying a mortgage so I can be kept awake by your child screaming/your dog barking/your guitar playing etc...

You actually can hear people going to the loo in the apartment next to me. I am lucky in that most people in my block are aware that sound travels so do their best to ensure that the noise is kept to a minimum.

People here advising the OP to make more noise or to just ignore the complaint or the ultimate "you dont have kids so you dont have a valid opinion" are just plain wrong. Starting turf wars with the neighbours because you wont listen to a reasonable complaint is not a good road to start down and anyone who does it is a moron tbh.

username123

the_syco wrote: »

YOU WEREN'T THERE, MAAAAN, YOU WEREN'T AT VEEET-F**KING-NAM, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THE SCREAMS I HEARD, MAAAAN...
Bullsh|t.

That is the best response I have ever seen on a message board to the moronic suggestion that people who dont have kids dont understand. I will be borrowing it from you at some stage I think.

Having kids doesnt give people the right to noise pollute.

Yawns

Re-read the part you quoted. I'll highlight the important bit for you

Solution: Maybe he should move to a detached house if he wants absolute peace. If he wants apartment living, then he has to accept the daily life of others around him.

There are plenty of people without kids living in apartments where neighbours may have kids and they accept the noise as a part of apartment living. My point was that if he wants to live in his home and expects no noise from neighbours at reasonable times then he should live in a detached house.

Unless you think a 3 year old and an 18 month old making noise after 8am is not unreasonable...

In this case the complaint is not reasonable. Noise from kids after 8am is not a reasonable excuse to make a complaint over. So in this instance, with the OP having done enough to reduce noise, I certainly would suggest them to ignore this person. There's people out there who like to moan over absolutely anything no matter how small. They'd argue that the sky is only cloudy since you moved in if you let them.

username123

Yawns wrote: »

Unless you think a 3 year old and an 18 month old making noise after 8am is not unreasonable...

It depends on the level of noise, you have no idea how loud the noise is, no do you have any idea if the complaint is reasonable or not.

The point is, it is not mature to simply ignore the complaints of a neighbour that you have to live in such close proximity to.

I have recently had cause to complain about noise pollution due to a faulty alarm going off all day long in a nearby apartment. It was after 8am, so by your logic this is reasonable?

Dwork

username123 wrote: »

That is the best response I have ever seen on a message board to the moronic suggestion that people who dont have kids dont understand. I will be borrowing it from you at some stage I think.

Having kids doesnt give people the right to noise pollute.

People who don't have kids don't understand.:) Also, no, no it isn't the best ever. Moronic? Kkk.

username123 wrote: »

It depends on the level of noise, you have no idea how loud the noise is, no do you have any idea if the complaint is reasonable or not.

The point is, it is not mature to simply ignore the complaints of a neighbour that you have to live in such close proximity to.

I have recently had cause to complain about noise pollution due to a faulty alarm going off all day long in a nearby apartment. It was after 8am, so by your logic this is reasonable?

I don't remember, ever, not once, claiming maturity as a virtue of mine.:)

I lived in an estate of houses for a year a while back, I bought one to live in while refurbishing my own place. The neighbours popped round to complain about the noise the kids(who were playing with other neighbours kids and were not being remotely noisy)were making. This was at four in the afternoon. My wife engaged with them on the doorstep in a "ohh, sorry, yes indeed, oh deary" manner. I wandered out, said "hello, please fcuk off right away" and shut the door.

I had to laugh at the neck of them as two days later they had a load of their single friends around and the party went on until the wee hours, music banging. I didn't feel I had "cause"(pfft) to go around and complain. But by the same token, don't come banging on my door with your guff. I will happily give you an immature two fingers.:) Or a slap in the puss, if you feel you really need one.

jd

Gatling wrote: »

I'd love for a law change that would allow rental tenants to be part of apartment association's

That's not going to happen but the MUD act states that

House rules made under subsection (1) shall be made in a
manner consistent with—
(a) the objective of advancing the quiet and peaceful enjoyment of the property by the unit owners and the occupiers, and
(b) the objective of the fair and equitable balancing of the
rights and obligations of the occupiers and the unit
owners,

and my reading of the act is that an occupier can apply to the circuit court if they feel their rights are being breached.