Another Stove Question

Tisserand

I would like to get put a stove (non-boiler) in my kitchen/dining room, however there is no existing fireplace there. I have a stove already in my sitting room which has a fireplace but I don't use this room much and it cost 300 euro to install 3 years ago. Does anybody know roughly how much the steel flue costs and if the cost of installation would be the same/or more than putting a stove in a fireplace. Many thanks.

Robbie.G

Tisserand wrote: »

I would like to get put a stove (non-boiler) in my kitchen/dining room, however there is no existing fireplace there. I have a stove already in my sitting room which has a fireplace but I don't use this room much and it cost 300 euro to install 3 years ago. Does anybody know roughly how much the steel flue costs and if the cost of installation would be the same/or more than putting a stove in a fireplace. Many thanks.

First you need a hearth say €300
The flue alone could cost €700-€1000
Fitting same and stove €500
They are all rough estimates you would need someone to measure up properly to give a quote

TPM

Tisserand wrote: »

I would like to get put a stove (non-boiler) in my kitchen/dining room, however there is no existing fireplace there. I have a stove already in my sitting room which has a fireplace but I don't use this room much and it cost 300 euro to install 3 years ago. Does anybody know roughly how much the steel flue costs and if the cost of installation would be the same/or more than putting a stove in a fireplace. Many thanks.

You are not suppose to fit solid fuel stoves in a room which has mechanical ventilation (extract fan) fitted

Tisserand

HI TPM - do you mean the extractor fan in the kitchen?

TPM

Tisserand wrote: »

HI TPM - do you mean the extractor fan in the kitchen?

yea, any extract fan that takes air out of the room is a problem
One that recycles the air back into the room through filters are ok

Tisserand

Thanks TPM, I just wanted to be clear because I know a number of houses which have stoves in dining/kitchen areas but they must have the extractor fans with the filters. Thanks for reply.

TPM

Tisserand wrote: »

Thanks TPM, I just wanted to be clear because I know a number of houses which have stoves in dining/kitchen areas but they must have the extractor fans with the filters. Thanks for reply.

They probably have the normal extract fans.
You are not suppose to fit a stove in a room with an extract fan but like a lot of things you are not suppose to do, some people take the "it will be alright" attitude and do it anyway, they are probably not aware of the risks involved

Robbie.G

TPM wrote: »

You are not suppose to fit solid fuel stoves in a room which has mechanical ventilation (extract fan) fitted

You can fit a stove in a room with a fan provided you can prove that the stove can work properly with the fan on.
Extract from part J building regs
Air Extract Fans
1.3 If an air extract fan is fitted in a building containing a heat producing appliance (other than a room-sealed appliance), the appliance and flue should be able to operate effectively whether or not the fan is running.

TPM

Robbie.G wrote: »

You can fit a stove in a room with a fan provided you can prove that the stove can work properly with the fan on.
Extract from part J building regs
Air Extract Fans
1.3 If an air extract fan is fitted in a building containing a heat producing appliance (other than a room-sealed appliance), the appliance and flue should be able to operate effectively whether or not the fan is running.

Thanks for that information. I thought it just wasnt allowed.

But it would be hard to say for definite it works properly, you can only determine that for the day and weather conditions the day it is installed and checked.
I guess this is where common sense comes in, based on the location of the extract in relation to the position of the stove, the stove air supply vent, the room air vent, the size of the room and of course correct installation, testing and installation of the all ipomrtant co2 alarm

Robbie.G

TPM wrote: »

Thanks for that information. I thought it just wasnt allowed.

But it would be hard to say for definite it works properly, you can only determine that for the day and weather conditions the day it is installed and checked.
I guess this is where common sense comes in, based on the location of the extract in relation to the position of the stove, the stove air supply vent, the room air vent, the size of the room and of course correct installation, testing and installation of the all ipomrtant co2 alarm

To test this you start with a draft gauge and measure your draw on your stove flue then you turn on fans and remeasure if your draw drops open a window slightly and see if this improves draw if so additional ventilation for combustion is required.

TPM

Robbie.G wrote: »

To test this you start with a draft gauge and measure your draw on your stove flue then you turn on fans and remeasure if your draw drops open a window slightly and see if this improves draw if so additional ventilation for combustion is required.

So as in a room without an extractor fan you would test for sufficient ventilation by testing draw on the stove and then again with the window open , in a room with a fan you just carry out the same test again but with the fan running on its highest setting.
Thanks

shane0007

TPM wrote: »

So as in a room without an extractor fan you would test for sufficient ventilation by testing draw on the stove and then again with the window open , in a room with a fan you just carry out the same test again but with the fan running on its highest setting.
Thanks

Flues must be tested under their worst case scenario. Non-closable vent sized for the kw output of the appliance(s). Windows closed. Cookers on full power. All air consuming appliances on full power. If there is a drop lower than the allowable limit for the appliance, open a window to check for an improvement. This will 100% determine additional ventilation will resolve the issue but will not be the fix. Window trickle vents do not count.

Tisserand

Thanks for all your responses guys and much appreciated. Now I'm wondering if anybody can help me out on my initial question which was the cost of this kind of installation versus installing a stove in an existing fireplace. Thanks in anticipation.

Robbie.G

Tisserand wrote: »

Thanks for all your responses guys and much appreciated. Now I'm wondering if anybody can help me out on my initial question which was the cost of this kind of installation versus installing a stove in an existing fireplace. Thanks in anticipation.

Already answered in 2nd post

Tisserand

Robbie.G wrote: »

Already answered in 2nd post

Apologies Robbie.G. I never saw your earlier post and many thanks for your reply.