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Building a simple PC

Gerard92 · 2013-03-09 16:22:54

Just looking for some help, hoping to build a simple enough PC just for everyday stuff and playing online poker. Nothing fancy is needed but still want to build a decent machine. Any help is appreciated, Thanks! 1. What is your budget? [€700-750] 2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? Mass Multi-tabling Online…

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Just looking for some help, hoping to build a simple enough PC just for everyday stuff and playing online poker. Nothing fancy is needed but still want to build a decent machine. Any help is appreciated,
Thanks!
1. What is your budget? [€700-750]

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? Mass Multi-tabling Online Poker, Light Gaming

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? No

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? No

5. Do you need a monitor? Dual Monitors

5a. If yes, what size do you need. 22-24"
5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? No
6. Do you need any of these peripherals? Internal or external Wifi adapter, speakers

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? Yes but probably not necessary

8. How can you pay? Cards, Skrill, Bank Transfer
9. When are you purchasing? Over the next month or so

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? Limerick/Galway

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#2 09-03-2013 4:41pm

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Item|Price
8GB G.Skill PC3-12800U CL11-11-11-28|€46.19
Seagate Barracuda 7200 1000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€58.82
BitFenix Merc Alpha|€32.42
Intel Core i3-3220 Box, LGA1155|€104.02
ASRock H61M-VG3, Sockel 1155, mATX|€38.50
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 450W|€44.97
2 x Hanns.G HL190APB|€166.38
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€510.29

From being a poker player myself you can fit 12 tables on a 24 inch monitor but have two 19 inch ones added in the build. For an extra 90 in your budget you could get an i5 for a beast of a machine or add an SSD

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#3 09-03-2013 4:51pm

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Those are only 1366X768 monitors though, some 1080p monitors would give much more real estate. Even 20"ers with 1600X900 would be much better.

Doesn't seem to be any 1080p monitors under 22" on HWVS though, if the OPs desk can fit them at all I'd go with two of these instead.

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#4 09-03-2013 5:03pm

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Thanks for the replies so far. I have a lot of external HDD's lying around so I'm thinking a smaller internal 1 would be fine. Desk I'll be using is over 50" so would be able to fit those monitors. I definately have some wiggle room in budget aswell. Usually I'd play up to 20 tables online so I think dual monitors are necessary.

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#5 09-03-2013 5:25pm

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If you have a HDD already this would be a decent build, just modified joetoads a little, The processor lack hyperthreading but very few application benefit from this, and other that that is pretty well as the same CPU as the i3.

Item|Price
2 x BenQ GL2450|€270.00
BitFenix Merc Alpha|€32.42
Corsair VS Serie VS350, Non-Modular, 80+|€29.56
ASRock H61M-VG3, Sockel 1155, mATX|€38.50
Intel Pentium G2120 Box, LGA1155|€72.64
8GB-Kit Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1333 CL9|€48.31
Kingston SSD V300 120GB SATA III|€82.90
Samsung SH-224BB bare schwarz|€16.93
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€610.25

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#6 09-03-2013 5:36pm

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Thanks Marco and Joe, this looks great. Just a question about the HDD, the Barracuda 1000GB=59euro and the Kingston 120GB=83euro. Why is a 120GB more expensive than a 1000GB?

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#7 09-03-2013 5:42pm

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Gerard92 wrote: »

Thanks Marco and Joe, this looks great. Just a question about the HDD, the Barracuda 1000GB=59euro and the Kingston 120GB=83euro. Why is a 120GB more expensive than a 1000GB?

The kingston is a solid state drive(SSD), once you try one, you won't go back to a HDD. Waiting for boot and loading times will be a thing of the past

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#8 09-03-2013 5:42pm

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Speed 1 is a HDD and the other SSD

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#9 09-03-2013 5:44pm

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Ah gotcha, thanks

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#10 09-03-2013 5:46pm

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It an SSD alright, my thinking you can throw in on of you existing HDDs as a second drive if you need more storage.

Once you try it you'll never go back

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#11 10-03-2013 12:32am

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Been reading through a lot of these threads, find them really interesting, anyway was thinking of building a better machine with some light gaming included, can stretch my budget to 700-750 to include a graphics card etc. Would u recommend Windows 7 or 8? Dual monitors are still a must for me, really like these http://lb.hardwareversand.de/58+cm+%2823%29+/64857/LG+Flatron+E2342T.article If u guys could recommend anything for me I'd be grateful. Cheers

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#12 10-03-2013 12:58am

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Why don't you create your own thread with the following filled in:
How to ask for computer build help.

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#13 10-03-2013 1:05am

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This is my thread, I have edited first post for updated requirements

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#14 10-03-2013 1:46pm

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Gerard92 wrote: »

This is my thread, I have edited first post for updated requirements

Sorry man my bad, I was half asleep lol

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#15 10-03-2013 2:42pm

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A little on the high side, but just to give you an idea:

Item|Price
BitFenix Prodigy Mini-ITX Gehäuse - weiß, ohne Netzteil|€69.99
Intel Core i3-3220 Box, LGA1155|€104.02
8GB G.Skill PC3-10667U CL9|€41.39
ASRock H77M-ITX, Sockel 1155, ITX|€83.99
Gainward GeForce GTX 650, 1GB GDDR5, VGA, DVI, Mini HDMI|€95.27
Samsung SSD 840 Pro 128GB SATA 6Gb/s|€119.99
Corsair Builder Serie CX430 V3 Non-Modular 80+ Bronze, 430 Watt|€40.17
2 x LG Flatron E2342T|€255.64
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€829.45

Pull the graphics card, and replace the CPU with a 3225 and you'll be able to play light games on decent settings.

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#16 10-03-2013 3:01pm

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FRACTAL DESIGN Gehäuse Core 1000 black|€29.28
Toshiba DT01ACA Series 500GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€46.19
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 450W|€44.97
2 x LG Flatron E2342T|€255.64
8GB G.Skill PC3-12800U CL11-11-11-28|€46.19
HIS HD 7770 GDDR5 1024MB DVI HDMI 2xMiniDP|€99.74
Samsung SSD 840 Pro 128GB SATA 6Gb/s|€119.99
MSI 760GM-P34 (FX), Sockel AM3+, mATX|€41.98
AMD FX-6300 Prozessor, Boxed, Sockel AM3+|€121.53
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€824.50

I'd go for an AMD build with your budget. The processor in the above build is much better than i3. IMO i3's suck

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#17 10-03-2013 3:08pm

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Thanks for the replies, I should have said that the monitors are not included in my 700-750 budget, so we can probably improve. Thanks!

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#18 10-03-2013 3:42pm

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Would three monitors be pushing it on the desk?
Item|Price
BenQ GW2250HM|€129.00
2 x BenQ GL2250|€222.00
BitFenix Merc Alpha|€32.42
8GB-Kit Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1333 CL9|€48.31
Samsung SH-224BB bare schwarz|€16.93
ASRock 970 Pro3, AM3+, ATX|€61.94
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Box, Sockel AM3, 125W|€73.98
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 450W|€44.97
Kingston SSDNow V300 60GB SATA III|€52.90
Sapphire Radeon HD 6670, 1GB DDR3, lite retail|€56.21
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€757.65

EDIT: Damn didn't see monitors were excluded from budget

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#19 10-03-2013 4:07pm

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marco_polo wrote: »

Would three monitors be pushing it on the desk?
Item|Price
BenQ GW2250HM|€129.00
2 x BenQ GL2250|€222.00
BitFenix Merc Alpha|€32.42
8GB-Kit Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1333 CL9|€48.31
Samsung SH-224BB bare schwarz|€16.93
ASRock 970 Pro3, AM3+, ATX|€61.94
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Box, Sockel AM3, 125W|€73.98
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 450W|€44.97
Kingston SSDNow V300 60GB SATA III|€52.90
Sapphire Radeon HD 6670, 1GB DDR3, lite retail|€56.21
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€757.65

EDIT: Damn didn't see monitors were excluded from budget

Hmm, 3 monitors... Very tempting, if i could keep the extra monitor in the 750 budget then its definitely a possibility

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#20 10-03-2013 4:16pm

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Bitchin'. Get this.

Item|Price
BitFenix Prodigy Mini-ITX Gehäuse - weiß, ohne Netzteil|€69.99
Intel Core i5-3470 Tray, LGA1155|€164.00
8GB Corsair Vengeance PC3-12800U CL10-10-10-27|€48.29
ASRock H77M-ITX, Sockel 1155, ITX|€83.99
Seasonic G-360, 360 Watt, 80PLUS Gold|€58.70
Samsung SSD 840 Pro 128GB SATA 6Gb/s|€119.99
ZOTAC Geforce GTX 650 1GB|€95.54
Corsair Hydro Series H60|€65.89
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€725.38

Also, if you're going to do three monitors, you really want three of these.

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#21 10-03-2013 4:23pm

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If you use PT or HM, a SSD should be top of your list of parts to gets. makes a huge difference mass-tabling. Would recommend a 240GB for OS and poker software or 2 120gb SSD putting OS on 1 and sofeware on the other. Get a HHD for any games.

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#22 10-03-2013 4:26pm

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Nice build, actually three of those ultrasharps flipped 90 degrees into portrait mode would surely make a very interesting multi tabling poker setup.

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#23 10-03-2013 4:56pm

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Ya loving it so far, thanks. I'm afraid that 3 of those screens are out of price range unfortunately. I do use PT while playing but never thought it was that demanding, currently using a mid range laptop and don't find it laggy or anything

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#24 10-03-2013 5:05pm

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Gerard92 wrote: »

Ya loving it so far, thanks. I'm afraid that 3 of those screens are out of price range unfortunately. I do use PT while playing but never thought it was that demanding, currently using a mid range laptop and don't find it laggy or anything

When you say light gaming do you mean for the PC to be able to play new games at good settings?

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#25 10-03-2013 5:09pm

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joetoad wrote: »

When you say light gaming do you mean for the PC to be able to play new games at good settings?

Visuals don't have to be at top quality, mid to lower settings would probably be fine, just as long as it plays and isn't laggy

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#26 10-03-2013 5:18pm

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Item|Price
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 450W|€44.97
8GB G.Skill PC3-12800U CL11-11-11-28|€46.19
HIS HD 7770 GDDR5 1024MB DVI HDMI 2xMiniDP|€99.74
MSI 760GM-P34 (FX), Sockel AM3+, mATX|€41.98
Samsung SSD 840 Pro 128GB SATA 6Gb/s|€119.99
Toshiba DT01ACA Series 1TB, SATA 6Gb/s|€56.69
AMD FX-8120 Prozessor, Tray, Sockel AM3+|€133.50
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€562.05

Left out the case and you could get a very good graphics card for another 60 euro allthough the 7770 is decent enough

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#27 10-03-2013 5:20pm

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Gerard92 wrote: »

Ya loving it so far, thanks. I'm afraid that 3 of those screens are out of price range unfortunately. I do use PT while playing but never thought it was that demanding, currently using a mid range laptop and don't find it laggy or anything

If the pivot feature was of interest you I think these are the cheapest ones on HWVS that can do it.

http://lb.hardwareversand.de/56+cm+%2822%29+/71198/iiyama+ProLite+B2280HS-B1.article

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#28 10-03-2013 5:29pm

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Use to play on a laptop up top last august when i built a PC for myself.

The biggest difference i noticed right away was Turn and River Hud stats, when 24 tabling on stars with a HDD they could take 6-10 hands to update maybe longer(cant quite remember) but with a SSD these stats were up within 1-2 hands, but it all depends on how big your Database is. Mine is 1.5 million so the SSD was a big help.

Also the SSD will speed up PT by at least 4 times when reviewing(getting hands)or looking at opposition hand history.

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#29 10-03-2013 5:35pm

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Rebel Rebel wrote: »

Use to play on a laptop up top last august when i built a PC for myself.

The biggest difference i noticed right away was Turn and River Hud stats, when 24 tabling on stars with a HDD they could take 6-10 hands to update maybe longer(cant quite remember) but with a SSD these stats were up within 1-2 hands, but it all depends on how big your Database is. Mine is 1.5 million so the SSD was a big help.

Also the SSD will speed up PT by at least 4 times when reviewing(getting hands)or looking at opposition hand history.

Maybe he would be better off with a 256GB SSD?

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#30 10-03-2013 6:09pm

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joetoad wrote: »

Maybe he would be better off with a 256GB SSD?

Up to the lad himself, But i would (did)and noticed the difference.

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#31 10-03-2013 6:16pm

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How much space does the actual database take up on the SSD?

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#32 10-03-2013 6:18pm

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Rebel Rebel wrote: »

Up to the lad himself, But i would (did)and noticed the difference.

My DB is about 20K SNGs, if u think thats better then Ill try it out, thanks man

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#33 10-03-2013 6:19pm

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What exactly does 20K SNGs equate to in terms of actual space though?

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#34 10-03-2013 6:21pm

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marco_polo wrote: »

How much space does the actual database take up on the SSD?

Its close to 9GB right now

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I'd say 120 GB would be loads then.

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#36 21-03-2013 8:56pm

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Hey, going to be buying in the next few days, just got some questions before I do. Are there any significant differences between mATX and ATX motherboards? Ive decided to go AMD processor but I assume all of these components and graphics card will be upgradable in the future and will be compatible with motherboard etc.? Let me know know if you guys see any improvements I can make. Thanks

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Have a look at this motherboard info. regarding overclocking but also indicators of overall quality. It begs the question : Are AsRock motherboards overrated ?

http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

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#38 22-03-2013 11:03pm

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bmm wrote: »

Have a look at this motherboard info. regarding overclocking but also indicators of overall quality. It begs the question : Are AsRock motherboards overrated ?

http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboards-vrm-info-database

Don't see any real problem with that list myself?, looking at the AM3+ 970 chipsets, The Pro3 is perfectly acceptable and it only costs about 60 euro, which is a good bit cheaper than the equivalents from other manufacturers (Criteria being an unqualified yes in the reccomended column) like the Gigabyte GA-970-D3 or Asus M5A97

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So was just wondering if everything on that list was compatible with each other, also came across this while browsing: http://www.hardwareversand.de/Socket+FM2/66795/AMD+A10+5800K+Black+Edition+mit+AMD+Radeon+HD+7660D+Grafikeinheit%2C+Box%2C+FM2.article
Seems reasonably priced and has some really good reviews, would any of you recommend that over the FX-6300?

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Gerard92 wrote: »

So was just wondering if everything on that list was compatible with each other, also came across this while browsing: http://www.hardwareversand.de/Socket+FM2/66795/AMD+A10+5800K+Black+Edition+mit+AMD+Radeon+HD+7660D+Grafikeinheit%2C+Box%2C+FM2.article
Seems reasonably priced and has some really good reviews, would any of you recommend that over the FX-6300?

its not too bad, the one in your build is slightly better. That has a cheap graphics card built in which you don't really need.

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There's practically no upgrade options for FM2 either.

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So I'm thinking of forking out some extra cash to get a good graphics card, was looking at http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=57545&agid=1165
Would be for playing Crysis 3, Assassins Creed. Budget for this is 200 or less. Any recommendations?

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#43 25-03-2013 7:54pm

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Gerard92 wrote: »

So I'm thinking of forking out some extra cash to get a good graphics card, was looking at http://www.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=57545&agid=1165
Would be for playing Crysis 3, Assassins Creed. Budget for this is 200 or less. Any recommendations?

Shade over 200 delivered after Irish Vat but two free games should make up for that. Its not a regular HD7870 the Xt version is actually the same core GPU as a HD7950 just slightly paired back so it is a very powerful card for the price.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Club-3D-7870XTV-JokerCard-Graphic/dp/B00BF9EYFM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1364241064&sr=8-3

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Would this, paired with fx6300 play the highest quality visuals of crysis 3 @1080p? Also I have an Xbox, would a PC with this graphics card be better quality?

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#45 25-03-2013 8:18pm

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Gerard92 wrote: »

Would this, paired with fx6300 play the highest quality visuals of crysis 3 @1080p? Also I have an Xbox, would a PC with this graphics card be better quality?

That card is much more powerful than the Xbox at this stage of its life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a3eilZRlyk

Crysis 3 is a monster though so you will have to drop a some settings to get a really smooth frame rate. But even cards 2-3 times the price cannot get near 60 FPS @1080p at max quality. And even at that you would mainly be looking at dropping settings like anti-aliasing etc which have a huge impact on performance but not much really on visual quality.

It about the only game you won't be able to completely max out with the 7870 Xt though so it is a great card for that resolution.

http://www.techspot.com/review/642-crysis-3-performance/page5.html

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Thanks for the info Marco

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What do u guys think of the BitFenix Shinobi? Has it good airflow etc. whatevers needed for a decent case? http://www.hardwareversand.de/Midi/70882/BitFenix+Shinobi+USB+3.0+-+wei%C3%9F+schwarz+schwarz.article

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It's a decent case but there are better cases around that price point. I don't think the airflow in the shinobi is that good but that's not an issue unless you are gaming and overclocking really. I think the carbide 200R is a better case at around the same price. Nothing else in that price point in white though.

http://www.hardwareversand.de/Midi/71312/Corsair+Carbide+Series+200R%2C+ATX%2C+ohne+Netzteil.article

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