No Army base closures in Northern Ireland.

SoulandForm

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/headlines/ulster-s-army-bases-to-survive-1-4852577

Incredibly saddening. Along with the new MI5 base that the SDLP opposed and PSF were silent about this is a reminder that despite the "Peace Process" the occupation remains.

One thing that Sinn Fein should be pushing for is to make it illegal for any Ulster men or women to join the British Armed forces. As the essay "Principle of Loyalism" admits a lot of the early Loyalists were influenced to start murdering people by the counter-insurgency activity they took part in with the British Army in other countries. Northern Ireland has problems enough with people from it being twisted by membership of the British Army.

Fr Tod Umptious

SoulandForm wrote: »

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/headlines/ulster-s-army-bases-to-survive-1-4852577

Incredibly saddening. Along with the new MI5 base that the SDLP opposed and PSF were silent about this is a reminder that despite the "Peace Process" the occupation remains.

One thing that Sinn Fein should be pushing for is to make it illegal for any Ulster men or women to join the British Armed forces. As the essay "Principle of Loyalism" admits a lot of the early Loyalists were influenced to start murdering people by the counter-insurgency activity they took part in with the British Army in other countries. Northern Ireland has problems enough with people from it being twisted by membership of the British Army.

What ?
If a Mayo man or woman can join the British Army then a Cavan man or woman should be allowed to do so also

.jacksparrow.

But there is no British army left in northern Ireland.

That's the opinion and idea been told to people.

SoulandForm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

What ?
If a Mayo man or woman can join the British Army then a Cavan man or woman should be allowed to do so also

Its a disgrace that they are. They should be stripped of their citizenship.

oscarBravo

SoulandForm wrote: »

Its a disgrace that they are. They should be stripped of their citizenship.

They shouldn't be allowed to be citizens because you personally disapprove of their career choice?

How tolerant of you.

junder

oscarBravo wrote: »

They shouldn't be allowed to be citizens because you personally disapprove of their career choice?

How tolerant of you.

But don't you see Oscar, being in the British army would only corrupt thier gentle poetic Celtic souls

gallag

The simple fact is that our safe and cosy life is all thanks to the British army, you may not like that but everyone on these island's is free, you can shout from the rooftops about the murderous brits but when you put your kids to bed without worry and turn the heat on or drive your car that is directly related to international diplomacy. Its a cruel sick world out there and there is one reason why our nice fertile islands are democratically safe.
Soulandform, your attitudedis disgusting, your idea that British subjects should be denied the opertunity to contribute to the saftey of their country is offensive. Also, big respect to the brave irish that contribute to the saftey of our islands by joining the British army.

No doubt humanity will evolve to the point of utopia and there will be no need for armys but we are not there yet and both these islands need a strong army.

Fratton Fred

SoulandForm wrote: »

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/headlines/ulster-s-army-bases-to-survive-1-4852577

Incredibly saddening. Along with the new MI5 base that the SDLP opposed and PSF were silent about this is a reminder that despite the "Peace Process" the occupation remains.

One thing that Sinn Fein should be pushing for is to make it illegal for any Ulster men or women to join the British Armed forces. As the essay "Principle of Loyalism" admits a lot of the early Loyalists were influenced to start murdering people by the counter-insurgency activity they took part in with the British Army in other countries. Northern Ireland has problems enough with people from it being twisted by membership of the British Army.

The number of forces personnel I'm Northern Ireland is reducing by 400, but with 20,000 soldiers coming back to the UK from Germany, they have to go somewhere.

How the **** that makes it an occupied country though I've no idea.

Is Kildare occupied because the Irish army are there?

Victor

They've gone from something like 238 posts in Northern Ireland to, it seems, three. Given that some people in northern Ireland wish to join the British Army, is it not reasonable (even if you find it unacceptable) to facilitate them?

.jacksparrow.

gallag wrote: »

The simple fact is that our safe and cosy life is all thanks to the British army, you may not like that but everyone on these island's is free, you can shout from the rooftops about the murderous brits but when you put your kids to bed without worry and turn the heat on or drive your car that is directly related to international diplomacy. Its a cruel sick world out there and there is one reason why our nice fertile islands are democratically safe.
Soulandform, your attitudedis disgusting, your idea that British subjects should be denied the opertunity to contribute to the saftey of their country is offensive. Also, big respect to the brave irish that contribute to the saftey of our islands by joining the British army.

No doubt humanity will evolve to the point of utopia and there will be no need for armys but we are not there yet and both these islands need a strong army.

Wait,so I'm sleeping well tonight because of the British army???

gallag

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Wait,so I'm sleeping well tonight because of the British army???

Yes sir.

.jacksparrow.

gallag wrote: »

Yes sir.

Oh right so.

SoulandForm

gallag wrote: »

Yes sir.

The meddling of Anglo-American Imperialism and Zionism are the biggest threats to world peace out there. Where all these actual threats to southern Ireland, thats what I would like to know? I notice you have no problems condemning the Provos for the innocents that they killed. The Provos have nothing on the BA in those stakes. Im not saying that people have no right to condemn or attack the Provos but people with your attitude to the British Army dont.

SoulandForm

oscarBravo wrote: »

How tolerant of you.

Actually Im pretty intolerant a lot of the time.

junder

SoulandForm wrote: »

Actually Im pretty intolerant a lot of the time.

That's pretty self-evident

SoulandForm

junder wrote: »

That's pretty self-evident

Not as intolerant though as Loyalism and British Imperialism though.

Unlike Billy Hutchinson I wouldnt murder two teenagers simply for being the wrong religion.

SoulandForm

gallag wrote: »

Yes sir.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html

Seriously gallag take the blinkers from your eyes.

GRMA

Bigger issue is the little expeditions the BA make from time to time, they should strictly remain in their barracks.

I get where the OP is coming from about banning people from joining the BA, it's scary that people like junder and others who are far worse/more extreme than him are members active in the community. I dont think the OP is right though

SoulandForm

GRMA wrote: »

I get where the OP is coming from about banning people from joining the BA, it's scary that people like junder and others who are far worse/more extreme than him are members active in the community. I dont think the OP is right though

The British Armed forces are completely different from the Defense Forces in that south in that they very much have their own ethos which is separate from that of the society at large and generational officer caste. Plus they have a nasty habit of colonial/imperialist adventures. They are very much a cultural insitution in the way your Defense Forces are not- and that is a good thing. Jim Dowson for instance called two years ago or so for every young British "Nationalist" to join the TA. Being in the Armed Forces effects people usually negatively.

gallag

SoulandForm wrote: »

The meddling of Anglo-American Imperialism and Zionism are the biggest threats to world peace out there. Where all these actual threats to southern Ireland, thats what I would like to know? I notice you have no problems condemning the Provos for the innocents that they killed. The Provos have nothing on the BA in those stakes. Im not saying that people have no right to condemn or attack the Provos but people with your attitude to the British Army dont.

I could argue how ireland benefits from the British in a modern setting but it is moot because if Britain was militarily weak ireland would not exist, ireland would have been swallowed into Europe without doubt, only real thing to debate is who would you be? I would think without a strong British presence at the turn of last century russia would have ran amock through Europe and we would all be living under a Russian dictatorship, being french is another possibility, they would have taken the uk and Ireland and mabey be in alliance or under Germany. Your very existence is due to the British army.

junder

SoulandForm wrote: »

Not as intolerant though as Loyalism and British Imperialism though.

Unlike Billy Hutchinson I wouldnt murder two teenagers simply for being the wrong religion.

I am a loyalist and I am a damn site more tolerant then you. Just because somebody may be more intolerant then you does not excuse your own intolerance

SoulandForm

gallag wrote: »

I could argue how ireland benefits from the British in a modern setting but it is moot because if Britain was militarily weak ireland would not exist, ireland would have been swallowed into Europe without doubt, only real thing to debate is who would you be? I would think without a strong British presence at the turn of last century russia would have ran amock through Europe and we would all be living under a Russian dictatorship, being french is another possibility, they would have taken the uk and Ireland and mabey be in alliance or under Germany. Your very existence is due to the British army.

I dont know where to start with this post but I will point out that Yugoslavia and Albania remained strongly independent of the USSR and didnt get invaded so the idea of Ireland being menaced is a bit crazy. The very existence of the semi-independent state in the south of Ireland is due to bloody guerrilla war against the UK state.

SoulandForm

junder wrote: »

I am a loyalist and I am a damn site more tolerant then you. Just because somebody may be more intolerant then you does not excuse your own intolerance

Tolerance is not always a virtue.

gallag

SoulandForm wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html

Seriously gallag take the blinkers from your eyes.

Exactly, you and I are now reaping the benefits of our for fathers imperialism, building an empire was not a question of morality, it was a defence as much as anything, in those days it was build an empire or be ruled and it was ability that decided which. If the early irish kings that invaded wales had more success they would have pushed on to england and then france, they didn't choose not to build an empire out of a higher moral code they just lacked the ability. Later the irish would be an integral part of British empire building that ment we could exist in our current form today.

gallag

SoulandForm wrote: »

I dont know where to start with this post but I will point out that Yugoslavia and Albania remained strongly independent of the USSR and didnt get invaded so the idea of Ireland being menaced is a bit crazy. The very existence of the semi-independent state in the south of Ireland is due to bloody guerrilla war against the UK state.

You would have definitely been french.

SoulandForm

gallag wrote: »

Exactly, you and I are now reaping the benefits of our for fathers imperialism, building an empire was not a question of morality, it was a defence as much as anything, in those days it was build an empire or be ruled and it was ability that decided which. If the early irish kings that invaded wales had more success they would have pushed on to england and then france, they didn't choose not to build an empire out of a higher moral code they just lacked the ability. Later the irish would be an integral part of British empire building that ment we could exist in our current form today.

So you have no actual moral problems with the Provos outside of the fact that they lost?

SoulandForm

gallag wrote: »

You would have definitely been french.

Some would say that the Normans are still ruling....

gallag

SoulandForm wrote: »

So you have no actual moral problems with the Provos outside of the fact that they lost?

People never went to school, boys were taught to fight or be killed. They were turbulent times in the evolution of world history and I would hold them to lower standers of morality than a terrorist in the late 20th ;-) century planting a bomb in a shopping centre.

junder

GRMA wrote: »

Bigger issue is the little expeditions the BA make from time to time, they should strictly remain in their barracks.

I get where the OP is coming from about banning people from joining the BA, it's scary that people like junder and others who are far worse/more extreme than him are members active in the community. I dont think the OP is right though

I am a law abiding citzen so what difference is it if I'm in the army or not?

junder

SoulandForm wrote: »

Tolerance is not always a virtue.

Intolerance certainly is not

Fratton Fred

GRMA wrote: »

Bigger issue is the little expeditions the BA make from time to time, they should strictly remain in their barracks.

I get where the OP is coming from about banning people from joining the BA, it's scary that people like junder and others who are far worse/more extreme than him are members active in the community. I dont think the OP is right though

Seriously, you would have Stormont pass an act that prevents British citizens from joining the British Army?

What next, ban them from joining political parties you don't like?

some people seriously need to get a grip.

Iwasfrozen

GRMA wrote: »

Bigger issue is the little expeditions the BA make from time to time, they should strictly remain in their barracks.

I get where the OP is coming from about banning people from joining the BA, it's scary that people like junder and others who are far worse/more extreme than him are members active in the community. I dont think the OP is right though

Stormont wouldn't have the power to pass that law.

SoulandForm

gallag wrote: »

People never went to school, boys were taught to fight or be killed. They were turbulent times in the evolution of world history and I would hold them to lower standers of morality than a terrorist in the late 19th century planting a bomb in a shopping centre.

Or bombing a wedding in the twenty first century?

COYW

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Seriously, you would have Stormont pass an act that prevents British citizens from joining the British Army?

What next, ban them from joining political parties you don't like?

some people seriously need to get a grip.

I think this is the tolerant, shared society that republicans bleat on about. They want to ban people from joining the BA, yet they argue that the traditions of the unionist people would be respected in the UI that they are hoping for. You couldn't make it up Fred, they are bonkers. What will they do with the thousands on wonderful men and women from NI who serve in the British forces around the world at the moment when they arrive home? They'll want to put them in some NI version of Guantanamo bay perhaps.

Nodin

gallag wrote: »

........ we would all be living under a Russian dictatorship, being french is another possibility, they would have taken the uk and Ireland and mabey be in alliance or under Germany. Your very existence is due to the British army.

I had no idea that being ruled by France was the equivalent of non-existence.

Victor

gallag wrote: »

n a terrorist in the late 19th century planting a bomb in a shopping centre.

20th century?

LordSutch

SoulandForm wrote: »

The very existence of the semi-independent state in the south of Ireland is due to bloody guerrilla war against the UK state.

Just stand back for a minute there Souland and look at our situation from an outsiders point of view. Here we are living here on a tiny group of islands on the periphery of Europe, unted as a geographical entity. Great Britain 'our neighbouring island', once the power house of the World (with us in tow) is right here beside us. Blood lines have been mixed since humans 1st set foot on this island from Britain some 10.000 years ago, with a long history of trade between the two islands.

Yes there have been many sibling arguments between us, battles have been fought, sibling disagreements have raged, but Britian & Ireland have always been at their best through collaboration and friendship! so why shouldn't people from Ireland join Irish regiments in the British Army?
Why not indeed?

The British Army is the major force in this group of islands, they have the equipment (relatively speaking) they travel the world, they have military bases on this island (thank God), with Irish regiments that are designed for Irish people to join should they wish to, and they do . . . . .

maccored

LordSutch wrote: »

since humans 1st set foot on this island from Britain some 10.000 years ago

except of course it wasnt actually 'Britain' then. well 10.000 years ago it was, but 10,000 years ago it was just land with people on it.

Iwasfrozen

maccored wrote: »

except of course it wasnt actually 'Britain' then. well 10.000 years ago it was, but 10,000 years ago it was just land with people on it.

Which is pretty much what the world still is today. Borders and countries are only the invention of people.

GRMA

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Seriously, you would have Stormont pass an act that prevents British citizens from joining the British Army?

What next, ban them from joining political parties you don't like?

some people seriously need to get a grip.

Try reading my posts in future, in particular the last line

.jacksparrow.

Freemason. wrote: »

Please don't dictate to Ulster Protestants about what they can't do when it comes to recruitment and jobs. They have rights and the defence of county and country rights shall be maintained.

Interesting last sentence,especially in regards to bloody Sunday all those years ago.

Lonesome Boatman

The Brits need to stop using Ireland is a training camp before they send their troops out to imperial wars in the middle east

junder

Lonesome Boatman wrote: »

The Brits need to stop using Ireland is a training camp before they send their troops out to imperial wars in the middle east

They don't

Cork boy 55

Why are English and scottish regiments deployed to Palace barracks?

Should the only BA unit in the six not be the RIR no?

Are they there as a contingency or reserve?

junder

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

Why are English and scottish regiments deployed to Palace barracks?

Should the only BA unit in the six not be the RIR no?

Are they there as a contingency or reserve?

2nd batt (TA) royal Irish are based in Northern Ireland. 1st Batt royal Irish are based in England because that's where the regiment wants to be based and because the shinners would have a fit if they moved to Northern Ireland. The Scottish and English regiments being British regiments can be garrisoned anywhere in the UK, they just happen to be garrisoned in this part of the UK

COYW

Lonesome Boatman wrote: »

The Brits need to stop using Ireland is a training camp before they send their troops out to imperial wars in the middle east

You must be stuck in a time warp. I would be very worried about the safety of everyone living in the British Isles (UK & ROI), if the BA are relying on NI for their training (as Junder said, they don't train in NI). The Irish army don't have the experience or capacity to defend us before you ask about them.

GRMA

COYW wrote: »

You must be stuck in a time warp. I would be very worried about the safety of everyone living in the British Isles (UK & ROI), if the BA are relying on NI for their training (as Junder said, they don't train in NI). The Irish army don't have the experience or capacity to defend us before you ask about them.

I think its you who is stuck in the time warp... using colonial outdated terms like "British Isles".

oscarBravo

GRMA wrote: »

I think its you who is stuck in the time warp... using colonial outdated terms like "British Isles".

Wow, people still get their knickers in a twist over that one? I thought we'd outgrown that sort of insecurity.

SoulandForm

oscarBravo wrote: »

Wow, people still get their knickers in a twist over that one? I thought we'd outgrown that sort of insecurity.

I dont have a problem with the term British Isles as such- the French use it.

The problem is that the term British besides being a geographic term has very much been hijacked to become something political to the point that Loyalists use the term to distinguish themselves from their fellow countrymen when infact either everyone in Ireland is British or no one is strictly speaking.

Gray Fox.

SoulandForm wrote: »

I dont have a problem with the term British Isles as such- the French use it.

The problem is that the term British besides being a geographic term has very much been hijacked to become something political to the point that Loyalists use the term to distinguish themselves from their fellow countrymen when infact either everyone in Ireland is British or no one is strictly speaking.

This theory that everyone living on one Island can only be one nationality is silly. The Ulster Scots are proud of the heritage they have, why do you have a problem with that?

SoulandForm

Gray Fox. wrote: »

This theory that everyone living on one Island can only be one nationality is silly. The Ulster Scots are proud of the heritage they have, why do you have a problem with that?

Do you really believe that Ulster Scots are a different nationality to the rest of Ulster folk?

The theory that religious background= nationality is much more silly.