Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

FouxDaFaFa

I was in Edinburgh for the comedy festival during August and came upon these two signs in the women's toilets at a pub that doubled as a venue.

One of very few occasions when I've been like "I should get my camera out in this bathroom". You could argue that the first one is just sad and cynical but the second one is ridiculous. There was a third stall not pictured with a sign that was harmless.



First one reads: A wise girl kisses but doesn't love, listens but doesn't believe and leaves before she is left. (Marilyn Monroe)
Second: As long as you know men are like children, you know everything. (Coco Chanel)

I was pretty taken aback. It basically implied that all men are untrustworthy and unworthy of love and also "like children" in their ways. I mean, wtf?

Panthro

maybe

Much like some of the tripe that get's posted on Facebook.
I mean come on, talk about the height of stupidity.

IvyTheTerrible

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I was in Edinburgh for the comedy festival during August and came upon these two signs in the women's toilets at a pub that doubled as a venue.

One of very few occasions when I've been like "I should get my camera out in this bathroom". You could argue that the first one is just sad and cynical but the second one is ridiculous. There was a third stall not pictured with a sign that was harmless.



First one reads: A wise girl kisses but doesn't love, listens but doesn't believe and leaves before she is left. (Marilyn Monroe)
Second: As long as you know men are like children, you know everything. (Coco Chanel)

I was pretty taken aback. It basically implied that all men are untrustworthy and unworthy of love and also "like children" in their ways. I mean, wtf?

That second quote reminds of how colonials used to excuse their treatment of the natives "There are like children". Extremely patronising BS.

FouxDaFaFa

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

That second quote reminds of how colonials used to excuse their treatment of the natives "There are like children". Extremely patronising BS.

Well, if there's any truth to the claims about Chanel being a Nazi agent, she would have been used to dehumanising people.

Crann na Beatha

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Galwayguy35

Phoenix wrote: »

I have been groped at work in the ass by older women

Did you bring it to the attention of management/HR?

py2006

I'd like to actually hear of somebody who has and what the reaction was.

Femme_Fatale

Panthro wrote: »

Much like some of the tripe that get's posted on Facebook.
I mean come on, talk about the height of stupidity.

Hate those fecking things - and the implication that they speak for all women.

I like this one that's kind of a backlash

Vojera

A very close friend of mine had his children essentially stolen from him about ten years ago when his Australian wife took their kids, with his permission, to Australia for a holiday to see their grandparents and never came back.

He was basically told not to bother fighting her over it because he would never be awarded custody as their father, and the fact that he was the one out working and earning a living while she stayed at home with them would go against him.

I can't imagine how that would feel, being told the whole system is stacked against you when you have clearly done nothing wrong and I also can't ever imagine someone telling a woman not to fight for her kids.

Galwayguy35

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Did you bring it to the attention of management/HR?

In my experience HR staff seem to be pretty much made up of women. Not only would it be embarrassing but you'd probably be told to "be a man".

Mister R

Phoenix wrote: »

I have been groped at work in the ass by older women

Thank the media's cougar culture for that. Loads of women over 40 thinks they're Demi Moore and every guy under 35 wants them.

Tmeos

Interesting point in the budget today and not picked up on very much in the discussion is that for single or separated parents from next year only the primary resident parent usually (but not always) the mother retains her tax credit worth aprox 1600 a year while the father looses his even if he has the child and all related costs three nights a week. I think this is grossly unfair and surprised more has not been made of it but as usual they are going for easy targets who won't kick back

clairefontaine

Vojera wrote: »

A very close friend of mine had his children essentially stolen from him about ten years ago when his Australian wife took their kids, with his permission, to Australia for a holiday to see their grandparents and never came back.

He was basically told not to bother fighting her over it because he would never be awarded custody as their father, and the fact that he was the one out working and earning a living while she stayed at home with them would go against him.

I can't imagine how that would feel, being told the whole system is stacked against you when you have clearly done nothing wrong and I also can't ever imagine someone telling a woman not to fight for her kids.

She was bluffing. Australians are no nonsense when it comes to these things.

System wasn't stacked against him at all, not on Aussie land.

Same mistake women make, the barriers are sometimes in your head, and ironically stacked in there by feminism or whatever group pretending to advocate for them. Men's groups do the same.

Have to watch for paper tigers.

JenEffy

How is this thread allowed to continue? This is a joke.

Amirani

JenEffy wrote: »

How is this thread allowed to continue? This is a joke.

What's wrong with it?

ToxicPaddy

JenEffy wrote: »

How is this thread allowed to continue? This is a joke.

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py2006

Unfortunately for some, sexism is something that men do/say that is directed towards women. Women are incapable of being discriminatory, sexist, demeaning or resentful towards men. Therefore, in their eyes, a discussion like this is beyond nonsense and should not be tolerated as all it does is belittle female victims. Have I got that right?


Sigh.

awec

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py2006

awec wrote: »

I don't see what this post adds to the discussion.

Back to the topic please folks - no more derailing the thread.

With respect, it is not off topic nor is it an attempt to derail the thread. A lot of men who experience sexism are met with that attitude I outlined above. Which has been mentioned already.

The Corinthian

I would have thought that the prejudice is a classic example of sexism; that men cannot experience sexism. To even suggest men can is somehow laughable.

It's one that most men have experienced in the past, in comments made in conversations, where even polite scepticism that such a concept exists and which, thanks to the poster above who attempted to detail the thread, we have all experienced now first hand.

JenEffy

NiallSparky wrote: »

What's wrong with it?

What's wrong with a thread about the sexism men experience? There are men who've been sexually assaulted and discriminated against but as a whole, sexism against men does not exist. Every woman has experienced sexism, the men who have experienced it are in a very tiny minority. Besides assault, I don't understand what men experience as sexism.

awec

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Playboy

No

JenEffy wrote: »

What's wrong with a thread about the sexism men experience? There are men who've been sexually assaulted and discriminated against but as a whole, sexism against men does not exist. Every woman has experienced sexism, the men who have experienced it are in a very tiny minority. Besides assault, I don't understand what men experience as sexism.

Why dont you read the thread and find out instead of casually dismissing something because you are not well informed.

DamoKen

Maybe actually read the thread before pleading ignorance. Or if you can't be bothered reading it why bother posting in it?

awec

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runawaybishop

No

whoops.

donfers

No

JenEffy wrote: »

What's wrong with a thread about the sexism men experience? There are men who've been sexually assaulted and discriminated against but as a whole, sexism against men does not exist. Every woman has experienced sexism, the men who have experienced it are in a very tiny minority. Besides assault, I don't understand what men experience as sexism.

It's precisely because this kind of "head in the sand" attitude exists that threads like this are so important


...didn't see the warning above before I posted

hedgehog2

Just noticed this thread,really interesting reading.
I had an interview within back in Sept for a role I am well qualified for.
It was myself and 7 females in for the day,two rounds of interviews.
We all got to know each other and it turned out my qualifications were really specific for the role and I had about 8 yrs experience more than the closest candidate.
I am fairly used to interviews and perform well in them.
The panel had one male and two females,I did really well the fella was keen on my experience and they all liked the recent project I managed over the last two years.
Did`nt get the job,the lady who got it is 10yrs my junior and a recent graduate with zero experience.
I checked into this further over the past 12 yrs not one male has been awarded the job,the head of the department is a female and my friend who works in a separate department contacted her after they awarded the post.He inquired discretely why the girl with zero experience got it and
she could not satisfactorily tell him why I did not get the job just that she bonded better with her.
My two cents she does not like working with males which I heard from a good source and bullies her female staff.
Most likely dodged a bullet but it was the first job interview I did not get in my entire career so a bit of a kick considering I am well experienced for the role,but I definitely see a sexist angle in her decision.

Sleepy

hedgehog2 wrote: »

Just noticed this thread,really interesting reading.
I had an interview within back in Sept for a role I am well qualified for.
It was myself and 7 females in for the day,two rounds of interviews.
We all got to know each other and it turned out my qualifications were really specific for the role and I had about 8 yrs experience more than the closest candidate.
I am fairly used to interviews and perform well in them.
The panel had one male and two females,I did really well the fella was keen on my experience and they all liked the recent project I managed over the last two years.
Did`nt get the job,the lady who got it is 10yrs my junior and a recent graduate with zero experience.
I checked into this further over the past 12 yrs not one male has been awarded the job,the head of the department is a female and my friend who works in a separate department contacted her after they awarded the post.He inquired discretely why the girl with zero experience got it and
she could not satisfactorily tell him why I did not get the job just that she bonded better with her.
My two cents she does not like working with males which I heard from a good source and bullies her female staff.
Most likely dodged a bullet but it was the first job interview I did not get in my entire career so a bit of a kick considering I am well experienced for the role,but I definitely see a sexist angle in her decision.

Is there a HR process you could go through with regards to having her sexism sanctioned?

Personally, I'd be livid in your situation and genuinely would be considering legal action over the discrimination. Given that no other candidate came near you in terms of qualifications or experience (the most important factors in employment discrimination from what I can see) I'd certainly at least follow up with HR/senior management and advise them you're considering your legal options.

It might not necessarily get you the job but it may at least get the sexist bitch fired.

Sauve

Sleepy wrote: »

It might not necessarily get you the job but it may at least get the sexist bitch fired.

Mod
Leave out the name calling please