Graduate salaries 2013

Unregistered.

Anyone have rough estimations of what graduates (honours degree, computer science) can expect from large multi-nationals? Very few disclose exactly what's on offer and glassdoor.com isn't much use I've found.

GavinFlud

Unregistered. wrote: »

Anyone have rough estimations of what graduates (honours degree, computer science) can expect from large multi-nationals? Very few disclose exactly what's on offer and glassdoor.com isn't much use I've found.

Most companies don't disclose it. I'm assuming that's so they don't have to pay each graduate the same amount and can tailor their offer for each candidate. I know Microsoft start at around €34k since it's on their website. Out of the companies I've interviewed for recently (I'm graduating in June), the offer seems to be averaging at just under €30k.

Unregistered.

GavinFlud wrote: »

Most companies don't disclose it. I'm assuming that's so they don't have to pay each graduate the same amount and can tailor their offer for each candidate. I know Microsoft start at around €34k since it's on their website. Out of the companies I've interviewed for recently (I'm graduating in June), the offer seems to be averaging at just under €30k.

Seems low on both accounts! (In Dublin anyway)

GavinFlud

Unregistered. wrote: »

Seems low on both accounts! (In Dublin anyway)

It's not terrible, but definitely not amazing by any means. One of the companies I interviewed with encouraged me that your salary will rise considerably over your first couple of years.

Unregistered.

GavinFlud wrote: »

It's not terrible, but definitely not amazing by any means. One of the companies I interviewed with encouraged me that your salary will rise considerably over your first couple of years.

Ah sure, they all say that :rolleyes:

leeroybrown

It's a realistic claim if the market stays the same. A decent developer with two years of good experience can expect a sizeable pay increase if they switch job. Their existing employer has to recognise this and reward good staff appropriately if they want to hang onto them. If they're telling porkies then there are lots of roles elsewhere right now.

GavinFlud

leeroybrown wrote: »

It's a realistic claim if the market stays the same. A decent developer with two years of good experience can expect a sizeable pay increase if they switch job. Their existing employer has to recognise this and reward good staff appropriately if they want to hang onto them. If they're telling porkies then there are lots of roles elsewhere right now.

That seems to be the general consensus. Judging by a lot of developers I know, and even just average staff turnover in general in the software industry, developers will have no qualms about moving where the money is if their current employer isn't willing to compete.

That being said, it's not all about money. I'd happily take a slightly reduced salary if I was provided with a great place to work and an environment I'd enjoy spending my days in.

carlmango11

I'm starting a graduate position in a large-ish software firm. €32k which seems about average from what I've read. IBM are going to pay someone I know €36/35k (can't remember which)

Tar.Aldarion

GavinFlud wrote: »

That seems to be the general consensus. Judging by a lot of developers I know, and even just average staff turnover in general in the software industry, developers will have no qualms about moving where the money is if their current employer isn't willing to compete.

That being said, it's not all about money. I'd happily take a slightly reduced salary if I was provided with a great place to work and an environment I'd enjoy spending my days in.

That's what I'm telling myself, I'm making a lot less than all the graduates I know but I love my job. Great people, do both a team project and my own project that I'm running on my own - which is about to be shown to cisco and then to a conference in the states, eep only here a few months, which is pretty awesome. Better than not getting any responsibility. Still money is nice but I'd rather be happy. Both would be preferable eh

Atomic Pineapple

I was in the same position as Tar.Aldarion, when I finished college I got offered a position in a small Irish software company who dealt with a pretty niche area, however it was in an area I wanted and despite the low salary they offered I really I jumped at the opportunity to work in an area I wanted to be in, I felt it was a good choice as I was thrown in the deep in and learned a lot of things others wouldn't by being in a much larger corporation.

My salary jumped after 1 year and then again after 2 years but I'm 3 years there now and no offer of an increase is coming for this year and my salary is still way below average for my skill set and experience so I am looking to leave, it appears you have to switch every so years or so to get your worth?

ChRoMe

draffodx wrote: »

it appears you have to switch every so years or so to get your worth?

Generally, for any big bump in position/pay you need to change companies.

KonFusion

Deja vu.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=81607793

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78500288

and less than 3 weeks ago: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=83120755

I doubt they've changed all that much since :P

Tar.Aldarion

draffodx wrote: »

I was in the same position as Tar.Aldarion, when I finished college I got offered a position in a small Irish software company who dealt with a pretty niche area, however it was in an area I wanted and despite the low salary they offered I really I jumped at the opportunity to work in an area I wanted to be in, I felt it was a good choice as I was thrown in the deep in and learned a lot of things others wouldn't by being in a much larger corporation.

My salary jumped after 1 year and then again after 2 years but I'm 3 years there now and no offer of an increase is coming for this year and my salary is still way below average for my skill set and experience so I am looking to leave, it appears you have to switch every so years or so to get your worth?

That;'s pretty much all I hear, you have to out and get a job elsewhere for your employer to consider increasing your wage a lot, assuming they want you to stay. By then you have a new job anyway so it's a bit late.

Unregistered.

KonFusion wrote: »

Deja vu.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=81607793

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78500288

and less than 3 weeks ago: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=83120755

I doubt they've changed all that much since :P

They have. Or least a figure of 26k is way below what is being offered by big multi-nationals like I stated in my OP. Graduates are being offered 35k+. This is confirmed by three friends of mine who have accepted jobs for when they finished college.

KonFusion

Unregistered. wrote: »

They have. Or least a figure of 26k is way below what is being offered by big multi-nationals like I stated in my OP. Graduates are being offered 35k+. This is confirmed by three friends of mine who have accepted jobs for when they finished college.

Guess it depends on where you go so. 2 friends of mine have started at 2 separate fortune 500 companies in Dublin in the last 3 months and are earning under 30k.

ChRoMe

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

That;'s pretty much all I hear, you have to out and get a job elsewhere for your employer to consider increasing your wage a lot, assuming they want you to stay. By then you have a new job anyway so it's a bit late.

Its also important to note, that it is near universally always a bad idea to accept a counter offer from a current employer. Reason being, your cards are marked as you have already shown that you are interested in moving on.

I've never seen a counter offer acceptance that worked out well for the employee.

SalteeDog

ChRoMe wrote: »

Its also important to note, that it is near universally always a bad idea to accept a counter offer from a current employer. Reason being, your cards are marked as you have already shown that you are interested in moving on.

I've never seen a counter offer acceptance that worked out well for the employee.

I agree. The employer is buying time to work a proper succession plan/finish project etc.

carlmango11

ChRoMe wrote: »

Its also important to note, that it is near universally always a bad idea to accept a counter offer from a current employer. Reason being, your cards are marked as you have already shown that you are interested in moving on.

I've never seen a counter offer acceptance that worked out well for the employee.

I'm interested by this as it's something I've never heard/considered before.

SalteeDog wrote: »

I agree. The employer is buying time to work a proper succession plan/finish project etc.

But surely the employee still gains for that year, maybe more? Is the issue that they'd be missing the offer in the other company?

leeroybrown

I wouldn't necessarily agree that it's universally a bad idea but you do have to think carefully before leveraging a counter offer to get a pay raise. I have friends who've gotten 30% pay increases from counter offers from employers who still value them and haven't pushed them to one side. I do think however that you need to be worth the increase and you need to look for it on the basis of skills and experience rather than just making the employer think a project will be in trouble if they don't counter.

kippy

ChRoMe wrote: »

Generally, for any big bump in position/pay you need to change companies.

True for most roles alright.

ChRoMe

carlmango11 wrote: »

I'm interested by this as it's something I've never heard/considered before.



But surely the employee still gains for that year, maybe more? Is the issue that they'd be missing the offer in the other company?

The issue is that one you accept the counter offer, you are tarnished. Management will always at the very least be aware that you are not there long term in mind. Often, after they have put in place your replacement, you will me sidelined/pushed out.

Of course in instances, where someone is so vital to the systems, this is not the case. However that has the cost of other problems as anywhere that lets that situation occur is being run extremely badly.

Unregistered.

How does one ask for more money when they are given an offer? Do you be assertive and say "I'm worth more" or do you ask politely?

Tar.Aldarion

As a grad I believe you don't, I'd leave negotiating for subsequent jobs. If they ask you about it by all means outline why you think they should be offering you the moon

Unregistered.

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

As a grad I believe you don't, I'd leave negotiating for subsequent jobs. If they ask you about it by all means outline why you think they should be offering you the moon

If you knew there was a significant difference between it and other offers?

Tar.Aldarion

If you have other offers and don't think you want this job more than the others I'd say go for it. Others can answer you better, I'm only developing for 6 months