Really ignorant car question...please help.

Balooba · 03-03-2013 10:42am #1

Hi
Know very little about cars. Presently looking at a Honda FR-V. Spec reads:

Honda FR-V 1.8 SE 5DR
Advert says:
Engine: 1.7 petrol

What does the 1.8 stand for? And the SE?

Thanks...

03-03-2013 10:51am

The 1.8 means the engine size. The SE is the trim, meaning the different spec, such as A/C, parking sensors etc.

The engine in CC could be 1798 or something but it's still classed as a 1.8.

antodeco · 03-03-2013 10:56am

1.8 is how much power the engine has (basically) the higher the CC the more powerful it is. The bug the vehicle, the more 'power' you need. It also means higher tax. Check what tax it is for a 1,8 on motortax.ie

Balooba · 03-03-2013 11:00am

Thanks very much....

I was trying to figure out running and tax costs, as i presently drive a very small car with low tax / petrol etc.

This car is Currently taxed till end of year and it cost 636 Euro, which means it falls between the 1701 - 1800 bracket. But then I wondered if it was taxed in Dec 2012 this may have been the old rate and the new rate will be falling into the 1801 - 1900 bracket?

03-03-2013 11:05am

According to the motor tax calculator it costs 636 to tax a year. (go to motortax.ie and type in the reg of the car)

Not a bad looking car actually, I never even though about them before, I like the 3 seats in the front !

djimi · 03-03-2013 11:06am

According to the tax disc it is 1796cc (or something like that) which means that for tax purposes it is a 1.7. In reality it is a 1.8 litre engine, hence the name.

Balooba · 03-03-2013 11:19am

Thanks a lot.

Expanding family means we need a bigger car. Honda jazz great, and fine with one child but two plus buggies, shopping, husband and granny means we need more room. A little afraid of driving anything too big so thought this was perfect. Plus, always drove Honda, going and never had an issue.

Just wish I knew more about cars at times like this, lol!

03-03-2013 11:23am

Balooba, what's your location ? and how many miles a year would you drive ?

The reason I ask is that if you do a fair few miles and you live around Naas or Kilcullen you could convert to LPG, It costs 81C/l and 75 in Summer, It can be got from a few other places around the country, I think in Tallaght there is a cheap enough filling outlet.

But at around 40 mpg it would cost you as much as a 70-75 mpg diesel.

Worth consideration as you could save a lot of money and without the need for a modern troublesome rattle box diesel.

Jimdagym · 03-03-2013 11:29am

djimi wrote: »

According to the tax disc it is 1796cc (or something like that) which means that for tax purposes it is a 1.7. In reality it is a 1.8 litre engine, hence the name.

No, for tax its a 1.8.

djimi · 03-03-2013 11:36am

Jimdagym wrote: »

No, for tax its a 1.8.

My car is the same as the one advertised; for tax purposes its in the 1701-1800 tax bracket which is €636 a year. My previous car was also a 1.8 but because it was 1820cc or something like that it was in the next tax bracket up.

mickdw · 03-03-2013 11:39am

Being an early 08, that car could have been taxed on engine size or emissions. A quick google suggests emissions of 179 meaning it would have been more expensive on the new emissions system. It would currently cost 750 to tax based on emissions.
636 is the engine size based tax rate as of the last budget.

Balooba · 03-03-2013 3:12pm

Sorry Mad_Lad I've no idea what you are talking about...:\

In Dublin West, but fairly fixed on a Honda FR-V thanks.

djimi - just see you have an FRV - would you recommend them then?

03-03-2013 3:28pm

Balooba wrote: »

Sorry Mad_Lad I've no idea what you are talking about...:\

In Dublin West, but fairly fixed on a Honda FR-V thanks.

LPG is gas, and you convert your petrol car.

djimi · 03-03-2013 3:51pm

Balooba wrote: »

djimi - just see you have an FRV - would you recommend them then?

Sorry, I meant my car is the same in that its a 1.8 that falls just under 1800cc! Cant help with the FRV Im afraid.

Jimdagym · 03-03-2013 5:11pm

djimi wrote: »

According to the tax disc it is 1796cc (or something like that) which means that for tax purposes it is a 1.7. In reality it is a 1.8 litre engine, hence the name.

Jimdagym wrote: »

No, for tax its a 1.8.

djimi wrote: »

My car is the same as the one advertised; for tax purposes its in the 1701-1800 tax bracket which is €636 a year. My previous car was also a 1.8 but because it was 1820cc or something like that it was in the next tax bracket up.

I think you are tangling yourself up a bit djimi.

djimi · 03-03-2013 5:27pm

Jimdagym wrote: »

I think you are tangling yourself up a bit djimi.

Perhaps Im wrong in thinking this but to me 1701-1800 is a 1.7.

colm_mcm · 03-03-2013 5:27pm

It's a carzone glitch

If you put in 1799 it says its 1.8. That bug was there as far back as 2009.

Jimdagym · 03-03-2013 6:09pm

djimi wrote: »

Perhaps Im wrong in thinking this but to me 1701-1800 is a 1.7.

Yeah, I am afraid you are. It would be a 1.8.
My 2.0 is 1994
My wife's 1.4 is a 1396 etc.

djimi · 03-03-2013 6:28pm

Jimdagym wrote: »

Yeah, I am afraid you are. It would be a 1.8.
My 2.0 is 1994
My wife's 1.4 is a 1396 etc.

But your 2.0 is taxed in the 1901-2000 tax bracket is it not?

Im not talking about the badge; Im simply referring to tax bracket.

Jimdagym · 03-03-2013 6:42pm

djimi wrote: »

But your 2.0 is taxed in the 1901-2000 tax bracket is it not?

Im not talking about the badge; Im simply referring to tax bracket.

Well, yeah, its the 1.901-2l bracket. Once you go past the .01 you go into the next bracket.

I'm not sure I get your arguement. Could be picking you up wrong. Your car is 1786 (or similar). 1.8 on the badge, 1.8 on the logbook, and taxed in the 1701 to 1800m bracket and you would consider it to be 1.7 is it?
Fair enough if so, it defo wouldnt be the norm. The first bracket for tax is up to 1l, every category after that is refereed to its upper limit. If you were driving a cinquecento would you call it a 0l?

djimi · 03-03-2013 6:47pm

It might just be the way I think of the tax brackets. To me 1701-1800 is 1.7, 1801-1900 is 1.8 etc. Maybe thats not the norm and people consider 1701-1800 to be 1.8?

Im literally only talking about tax. My car is 1796cc; its a 1.8 engine. The only reason Id consider it to be 1.7 is for tax; I wouldnt tell people that its a 1.7 car.

Jimdagym · 03-03-2013 6:56pm

djimi wrote: »

It might just be the way I think of the tax brackets. To me 1701-1800 is 1.7, 1801-1900 is 1.8 etc. Maybe thats not the norm and people consider 1701-1800 to be 1.8?

Im literally only talking about tax. My car is 1796cc; its a 1.8 engine. The only reason Id consider it to be 1.7 is for tax; I wouldnt tell people that its a 1.7 car.

Fair enough. In no way a dig at you, but If I was buying a car off you and you were referring to it that way, I would think you were a spoofer, trying to make it seem as if it was cheaper to tax than it is.

I would imagine if we done a poll, there would be a very small percentage of people would think of their car the same way you do.

debabyjesus · 03-03-2013 6:56pm

I think the point he is making is that a 1799cc is cheaper to tax than an 1801cc but both would be called 1.8l in the real world. he is talking purely from a tax point of view.

Did someone just recommend to a self admitted complete novice that they should convert to lpg....

djimi · 03-03-2013 7:29pm

Jimdagym wrote: »

Fair enough. In no way a dig at you, but If I was buying a car off you and you were referring to it that way, I would think you were a spoofer, trying to make it seem as if it was cheaper to tax than it is.

I would imagine if we done a poll, there would be a very small percentage of people would think of their car the same way you do.

The tax is cheaper; that's my point. A 1796cc 1.8 is cheaper to tax than an 1825cc 1.8. I don't see how that's spoofing anyone?

Jimdagym · 03-03-2013 9:15pm

djimi wrote: »

The tax is cheaper; that's my point. A 1796cc 1.8 is cheaper to tax than an 1825cc 1.8. I don't see how that's spoofing anyone?

I said I would see you as a spoofer, not that you were, and a 1825 is a 1.9, and taxed accordingly. One is taxed as a 1.8, and one as a 1.9. If you say the 1796 is a 1.7, people expect tax of €544, not €636.

FWIW, i think the bands should be from the 50's, 1751-1850, but how or never.

djimi · 03-03-2013 9:54pm

Jimdagym wrote: »

I said I would see you as a spoofer, not that you were, and a 1825 is a 1.9, and taxed accordingly. One is taxed as a 1.8, and one as a 1.9. If you say the 1796 is a 1.7, people expect tax of €544, not €636.

FWIW, i think the bands should be from the 50's, 1751-1850, but how or never.

1825cc is not a 1.9; the Accord I used to own was 1825cc and was a 1.8. The point being that engine sizes can fall into one of two tax brackets depending on which side of the thousand cc they fall.

I guess we just have different defintions of engine size and tax brackets.

langdang · 03-03-2013 10:19pm

djimi wrote: »

1825cc is not a 1.9; the Accord I used to own was 1825cc and was a 1.8. The point being that engine sizes can fall into one of two tax brackets depending on which side of the thousand cc they fall.

I guess we just have different defintions of engine size and tax brackets.

That accord was taxed as a 1.9
I'm with jimdagym on this!

djimi · 03-03-2013 10:24pm

langdang wrote: »

That accord was taxed as a 1.9
I'm with jimdagym on this!

Thats my point! My Integra and my Accord are both 1.8; one is taxed in the 1701-1800 bracket (which to me is the 1.7 bracket) and the other in the 1801-1900 bracket (which to me is the 1.8 bracket). They are both 1.8 cars though (only about 25cc in the difference).

Really ignorant car question...please help.

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