Kenya to become the next domino is the US/UK/Nato Masterplan.

asherbassad

Just spoke to a friend in Kenya. They are sh!tting themselves before the elections. Uhuru has the ground majority but is not the favoured candidate for our friends in Washington or Whitehall and sanctions are threatened should Kenyans actually democratically elect someone that they themselves want in power. Watch this weekend for propaganda.

JustinDee

This alleged friend of yours, they're of a neutral opinion are they? Don't support either of the two main rival parties? Given that one side is favoured apparently by us (you included) big bad westerners, do you think their opposition are truly independent themselves and influenced by no-one else? Of course they aren't.

Your alleged western conspiracy is actually blinkered and tilted. There are two sides involved in Kenya, both inside and outside of its borders.

Torakx

Well I wouldnt mind being filled in on the details.
Who are the chinese(who else is in the bunch?) supporting and who are the westerners supporting and who are the westerners exactly?

And is there any candidates that are actually for the people themselves, is it even possible they could reach a point where they could be elected without being killed or twarted by powerfull backers behind the main candidates.

asherbassad

JustinDee wrote: »

This alleged friend of yours, they're of a neutral opinion are they? Don't support either of the two main rival parties? Given that one side is favoured apparently by us (you included) big bad westerners, do you think their opposition are truly independent themselves and influenced by no-one else? Of course they aren't.

Your alleged western conspiracy is actually blinkered and tilted. There are two sides involved in Kenya, both inside and outside of its borders.

She's not an alleged friend. She's a friend. And what's this definition of "neutral" that you glibly toss out? I suppose if she's skewed towards the truth then that might tar her as partial in your view.

You see, like her, I'm a fan of this obscure little concept called the truth.

If I was to come out an say that it was my opinion that Colin Powell is a liar and a war criminal would you lazily state that I wasn't "neutral"? Would you call me biased?

Well Mr Powell has admitted that he's a liar so it's not my opinion. It's a fact.

You're fond of this word "alleged". Alleged friend. Alleged conspiracy. The recent discovery of large deposits of oil, gold and titanium in Kenya coupled with it's strategic location in the region and importance as a western vassal state to Washington's AFRICOM (how dare the Americans think they can just set up "commands" anywhere in the world they want). Kenya lies right smack bang in their "Arc of Instability/Fertile Crescent"
And please don't insult me or anyone else who criticises NATO criminality with such trite quips as "the big bad west".
Sneering and condescension hardly lend weight to any kind of counter rationale.

JustinDee

Cool the jets. Still nothing in that reply on the subject but YOUR angle, backed up with paraphrasing of cherry-picked search results.
Not just the nasty Westerners interested in a country like Kenya is what I'm saying. Being a little more even-handed in your apparent outrage would show that any ALLEGED conspiracy has far more elements to it than your own subjective choice of protagonists.
That's all really. Aside from that, it's back to the anecdotal barstool and a side column from Private Eye.

asherbassad

JustinDee wrote: »

Cool the jets. Still nothing in that reply on the subject but YOUR angle, backed up with paraphrasing of cherry-picked search results.
Not just the nasty Westerners interested in a country like Kenya is what I'm saying. Being a little more even-handed in your apparent outrage would show that any ALLEGED conspiracy has far more elements to it than your own subjective choice of protagonists.
That's all really. Aside from that, it's back to the anecdotal barstool and a side column from Private Eye.

Raila Odinga, the man who drove the people to the streets in 2008 has given (pre-recorded) interviews which are then printed as stories. When asked what he will do if defeated he replied that he will not accept defeat and that his defeat will lead to worse violence than 5 years ago. This bastard is the preferred candidate of the west and his supporter are the scum of the earth...utter thugs and hooligans.
When his claims caught fire to days ago he denied making them but Reuters quoted him correctly.
He does not have the votes on the ground but insists that he is a leader in the polls. That pretty much says it all. He does not have popular support at all, yet insists he does.
So I would ask you this. Why are you so afraid of having free, fair and transparent elections? This nightmare of a man is a stooge to the west and is threatening slaughter if he is not elected (which he shouldn't be). The majority of Kenyans loathe his ignorant and violent ass but Washington loves him because he's going to be their man.

And that's not opinion, pal. That's FACT.

Jonny7

wow..

anyway back on planet earth, the Kenyans have been very keen to secure free and fair elections with no violence this time round. They have been clamping down on hate-speech (op take note), will be deploying 100,000 police, have adopted a new constitution specifically designed and putting all measures in place to help/ensure the elections run as peacefully as possible. Due to tribal splits and endemic political corruption (on all sides) and of course the recent history - tensions are still high.

Brown Bomber

Of course tensions are high - Obama's cousin Raila didn't like the results of the election last time round and according to Human Rights Watch his party insitigated waves of violence" that left 1.000 Kenyans dead and 350,000 displaced until he got what he wanted .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEZKIBZ_Vpo

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Of course tensions are high - Obama's cousin Raila didn't like the results of the election last time round and according to Human Rights Watch his party insitigated waves of violence" that left 1.000 Kenyans dead and 350,000 displaced until he got what he wanted .

You have evidence Odinga is actually Obama's cousin?

Or did he just claim it.

JustinDee

asherbassad wrote: »

Raila Odinga, the man who drove the people to the streets in 2008 has given (pre-recorded) interviews which are then printed as stories. When asked what he will do if defeated he replied that he will not accept defeat and that his defeat will lead to worse violence than 5 years ago. This bastard is the preferred candidate of the west and his supporter are the scum of the earth...utter thugs and hooligans.
When his claims caught fire to days ago he denied making them but Reuters quoted him correctly.
He does not have the votes on the ground but insists that he is a leader in the polls. That pretty much says it all. He does not have popular support at all, yet insists he does.
So I would ask you this. Why are you so afraid of having free, fair and transparent elections? This nightmare of a man is a stooge to the west and is threatening slaughter if he is not elected (which he shouldn't be). The majority of Kenyans loathe his ignorant and violent ass but Washington loves him because he's going to be their man.

And that's not opinion, pal. That's FACT.

That is one side of the story. You post as if there is only one stooge, "pal". You're only human of course, but the subjectivity is a recurring theme at this stage. Kenya politics concern far more than a cotton-woolled innocent champion of human rights and democracy against plunderers from the evil West.
There are also outside influences who choose their favourites and these are elsewhere. As a deal more than cherry-picked googling would show you, there's no monopoly on "thugs and hooligans" or vested interests in Kenya, pal.

hooradiation

Jonny7 wrote: »

wow..

anyway back on planet earth, the Kenyans have been very keen to secure free and fair elections with no violence this time round. They have been clamping down on hate-speech (op take note), will be deploying 100,000 police, have adopted a new constitution specifically designed and putting all measures in place to help/ensure the elections run as peacefully as possible. Due to tribal splits and endemic political corruption (on all sides) and of course the recent history - tensions are still high.

Close elections leading to high tensions?
Well.
I.
NEVER.

asherbassad

Well, my friend has managed to vote after queueing for 11 hours in 35 degree heat.
We'll see what happens.

asherbassad

JustinDee wrote: »

That is one side of the story. You post as if there is only one stooge, "pal". You're only human of course, but the subjectivity is a recurring theme at this stage. Kenya politics concern far more than a cotton-woolled innocent champion of human rights and democracy against plunderers from the evil West.
There are also outside influences who choose their favourites and these are elsewhere. As a deal more than cherry-picked googling would show you, there's no monopoly on "thugs and hooligans" or vested interests in Kenya, pal.

Just can't resist throwing in that sneering and condescending "evil" in front of "west", can you? Just can't seem to rise above it.

asherbassad

JustinDee wrote: »

That is one side of the story. You post as if there is only one stooge, "pal". You're only human of course, but the subjectivity is a recurring theme at this stage. Kenya politics concern far more than a cotton-woolled innocent champion of human rights and democracy against plunderers from the evil West.
There are also outside influences who choose their favourites and these are elsewhere. As a deal more than cherry-picked googling would show you, there's no monopoly on "thugs and hooligans" or vested interests in Kenya, pal.

Isn't Kenyatta the only candidate who doesn't have a financial scandal involving looting the exchequer behind him? And wasn't he thrown under the bus as the fall guy...someone to take the hit for retaliation violence when women and children got burned alive in a church in 2008?
This guy basically told western bagmen to go fcuk themselves. That's why western players are holding the torch for Odinga.

FWIW JD, I'm not cherrying-picking google. I'm getting it straight from the horse's mouth. People on the ground there who I know. You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about but will continue to quack-quack like a duck as if you knew something about the situation.

Jonny7

asherbassad wrote: »

Isn't Kenyatta the only candidate who doesn't have a financial scandal involving looting the exchequer behind him? And wasn't he thrown under the bus as the fall guy...someone to take the hit for retaliation violence when women and children got burned alive in a church in 2008?
This guy basically told western bagmen to go fcuk themselves. That's why western players are holding the torch for Odinga.

Calm down, the results will be in soon. If Odinga wins you can bang on about the "evil" West, if Kenyatta wins you can make some excuse that the evil Western plot didn't work.

Actually Kenyatta appears to be slightly ahead at the moment.

JustinDee

asherbassad wrote: »

FWIW JD, I'm not cherrying-picking google. I'm getting it straight from the horse's mouth. People on the ground there who I know. You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about but will continue to quack-quack like a duck as if you knew something about the situation.

Yes indeed. Of course, you are. I would never have spent time in Kenya. That would be preposterous.

asherbassad

Jonny7 wrote: »

You have evidence Odinga is actually Obama's cousin?

Or did he just claim it.

I think a "distant" relative...but that could mean anything. After all, I'm a "distant" relative of Adam and Eve.

asherbassad

Oh, here we go.....there must be a recount now in Kenya....because of external "complaints"
Amazing how those "complaints" didn't lend any weight to the vote count in Florida or the advisors who reported the intimidation of vote counters in 2000.

Let freedom reign, y'all

Jonny7

asherbassad wrote: »

Oh, here we go.....there must be a recount now in Kenya....because of external "complaints"
Amazing how those "complaints" didn't lend any weight to the vote count in Florida or the advisors who reported the intimidation of vote counters in 2000.

Let freedom reign, y'all

OH for god's sake, what is wrong with you? the electronic system has crashed.

asherbassad

Well, Uhuru won,

And the British and Americans aren't happy at all. Odinga and his ego just can't let it go. ****. You see had the Americans and the rest of the lying weasels in Nato just played fair and bought other countries' oil like the Chinese rather than tried to steal it then they might not be throwing their rattle out of the pram so often and farting on about democracy.
Japan, South Korea and China are heavily invested in Kenya and have agreed to Kenyatta's terms. US/UK/French a-holes threatened him, were told to fcuk off and now they're crying foul that their stooge and turncoat, Odinga, who would have taken their bribes and trashed Kenya and its people like the Shah of Iran or Mubarak, wasn't voted in by the not-so-dumb people of Kenya.

Jonny7

asherbassad wrote: »

Well, Uhuru won,

And the British and Americans aren't happy at all. Odinga and his ego just can't let it go. ****. You see had the Americans and the rest of the lying weasels in Nato just played fair and bought other countries' oil like the Chinese rather than tried to steal it then they might not be throwing their rattle out of the pram so often and farting on about democracy.
Japan, South Korea and China are heavily invested in Kenya and have agreed to Kenyatta's terms. US/UK/French a-holes threatened him, were told to fcuk off and now they're crying foul that their stooge and turncoat, Odinga, who would have taken their bribes and trashed Kenya and its people like the Shah of Iran or Mubarak, wasn't voted in by the not-so-dumb people of Kenya.

So the "evil" West are so utterly powerless they can't swing a 0.05% vote? Odd how that contradicts your own embellishment of the situation.

Anyway it appears Kenyatta has won by popular vote, very close shave, but he's in.

Torakx

So what do people forsee the west doing in response?
A rebellion?

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

So what do people forsee the west doing in response?
A rebellion?

Nothing and the ICC has dropped charges against Kenyatta.