Running event on the Cliff Walk

trad

Came across this http://www.gaelforceevents.com/trailblazer/.
It's a 10k run along the Cliff Path from Greystones to Bray on a Saturday.

Now anytime I've been on the cliff path there has been loads of walkers using this public amenity.

Looks very ill thought out to me. And it's €25 to enter and they want volunteers to work on it.

Any comments before I get onto the Council on Monday

Annasopra

What? are you complaining and want people to add to your complaint?

trad

Can you imaging trying to walk against hundreds of runners? The path is barely wide enough for one person in places. I think it will be downright dangerous.

I'm also curious to know who gives permission to a business to take over a public walk for profit.

Annasopra

Is it the exact cliff walk course or do they divert from it?

delthedriver

trad wrote: »

Can you imaging trying to walk against hundreds of runners? The path is barely wide enough for one person in places. I think it will be downright dangerous.

I'm also curious to know who gives permission to a business to take over a public walk for profit.

That walkway is too narrow for a group of runners.

Who gave this Private enterprise permission to take over a public amenity which is enjoyed by walkers every weekend?

Splendour

trad wrote: »

Can you imaging trying to walk against hundreds of runners? The path is barely wide enough for one person in places. I think it will be downright dangerous.

I'm also curious to know who gives permission to a business to take over a public walk for profit.

I'm curious as to why anyone would pay 25 euro to run the cliff walk when you can run it any day for free?!

mathproblem

depending on the time of day/season of year it can be quite annoying to run on due to having to warn two/three a breast walkers who are not aware of their surroundings/people coming behind them. It's a shame because the scenery is so beautiful & the gentle gradients provide enough of a challenge without being grueling. Can't blame the walkers because they still should get priority.

You'd have to guess for this run that they will not be allowing walkers on for a certain time period. That's probably what the volunteers are required for. It's a bit of an imposition but if they think it might bring some euro's to the area then it might be worth it once in a while.

The higher paths across the top can provide the same if not better scenery with wider less crowded paths to allow the runner to relax in the zone mentally & not be worried about. The only problem is the hard slog up the hill to get to them.

recedite

mathproblem wrote: »

You'd have to guess for this run that they will not be allowing walkers on for a certain time period.

Not necessarily. Around a year ago I walked the path from Greystones with kids and met runners involved in a beach run event at the last section. They had run the length of Bray beach and then on up to the old toll gate on the path before turning. Even that short section was chaotic because you had runners going in both directions, and trying to overtake walkers at the same time. Tempers were fraying. This event seems to be in one direction only so it might work out, provided they don't all start at the same time in one big bunch.

mathproblem

recedite wrote: »

Not necessarily. Around a year ago I walked the path from Greystones with kids and met runners involved in a beach run event at the last section. They had run the length of Bray beach and then on up to the old toll gate on the path before turning. Even that short section was chaotic because you had runners going in both directions, and trying to overtake walkers at the same time. Tempers were fraying. This event seems to be in one direction only so it might work out, provided they don't all start at the same time in one big bunch.

yeah you could well be right. there's a few things to that. First of all as you say both directions is ridiculous, recipe for disaster. Second the previous beach section would be very important to at least string out the field a bit before they hit the narrow walk. Lastly if they intend to keep it open the least they could do is hang up some warning signs/posters to make walkers aware of what's going on.

I did a Summerfest 10k a couple of years ago & they had Gardai stationed around the place up as far as the Southern Cross to allow runners safe passage through traffic.

I'd imagine they are hoping to save the hastle & expense of getting the garda involved by having it off road.

daydorunrun

Splendour wrote: »

I'm curious as to why anyone would pay 25 euro to run the cliff walk when you can run it any day for free?!

It's called a race- for your entry fee you get to test yourself competitively against others in a formal, officially timed event, for your entry fee (this goes for any race, of which there are hundreds of organized event around the country every week) you usually get a commemorative t-shirt and 'goody bag', containing samples of sports products etc as well as a sense of well being!!

Your argument is bit like saying why would anybody sit in a cafe paying for a coffee when they have coffee at home in the press.

I think anybody complaining about this event which may inconvenience them for about an hour and a half out of the nearly 9000 hours there are in a year is a bit of a kill joy!!

mathproblem

daydorunrun wrote: »

I think anybody complaining about this event which may inconvenience them for about an hour and a half out of the nearly 9000 hours there are in a year is a bit of a kill joy!!

well there's a difference between complaining & posing questions to make sure it's done correctly. Saturday afternoon is one of the busiest times for walkers and the walls are pretty low in places along there, it's not beyond the bounds of possibilities if runners were going in both directions & happen upon a group of walkers unawares at just the wrong spot that someone could end up going over one of the walls

we're just trying to ask the questions that we hope the organisers are asking themselves too.. they obviously didn't think it all the way through the last time going by recedite's post

siobhanb79

Hi Guys,
Siobhan here from Gaelforce Events.
Thank you for you comments.
In regards to the safety we run the event in the evening at 6.50pm and have permission to close the path from 5.30pm until 8.30pm to make sure that the pathway is clear for the runners. The race starts at the far end of the Greystones beach so that by the time the runners reach the path they are spread out.

We ran the event last year and it was a great success. We hope that the event brings people into the area that may not have know that the path exists and perhaps return to it at a later date, bringing more people and maybe a few quid into the area.

trad

siobhanb79 wrote: »

Hi Guys,
Siobhan here from Gaelforce Events.
Thank you for you comments.
In regards to the safety we run the event in the evening at 6.50pm and have permission to close the path from 5.30pm until 8.30pm to make sure that the pathway is clear for the runners. The race starts at the far end of the Greystones beach so that by the time the runners reach the path they are spread out.

We ran the event last year and it was a great success. We hope that the event brings people into the area that may not have know that the path exists and perhaps return to it at a later date, bringing more people and maybe a few quid into the area.

Interesting, because I rang the council today and I am informed that they have yet to approve the event.

I'll post their reply if I get one

Maudi

trad wrote: »

Interesting, because I rang the council today and I am informed that they have yet to approve the event.

I'll post their reply if I get one

its called the cliff "walk"for a reason..can you not find somewhere else to have your run?and what do you mean introduce the "walk" to other runners?great another world class walking route ruined.and what do you mean closed??so if i go for a walk heading to greystones along the walk with the kids when your race is planned someone is going to physically stop me???i dont think so.

RosieJoe

I'm sorry, do you lot moan about the Dublin City Marathon and the Women's half marathon when they are on? They would cause more hassle and annoyance to people trying to get in and out of the City Centre!

And they have an entrance fee too, to run along a road that they can run along for free the next day :rolleyes:

Annasopra

RosieJoe wrote: »

I'm sorry, do you lot moan about the Dublin City Marathon and the Women's half marathon when they are on? They would cause more hassle and annoyance to people trying to get in and out of the City Centre!

And they have an entrance fee too, to run along a road that they can run along for free the next day :rolleyes:

I don't think its comparable really

RosieJoe

mango salsa wrote: »

I don't think its comparable really

Why not? It's a case of 2 runnning events impeding on people. Yes, the marathons are far larger but that's about it!

I also find it comical that people are giving out about the fact that it may attract more people to the walk.

People are coming across as very selfish with regards to this event and the walk itself.

Sugarlumps

This sounds like a great event and a perfect time for the flasher to strike.

Annasopra

RosieJoe wrote: »

Why not? It's a case of 2 runnning events impeding on people. Yes, the marathons are far larger but that's about it!

I also find it comical that people are giving out about the fact that it may attract more people to the walk.

People are coming across as very selfish with regards to this event and the walk itself.

Yeah they block off parts of the city - its not the same or comparable because you can walk around them.

Judgement Day

It's hard to imagine a more unsuitable course for a run both in terms of interfering with other people's walking rights and the potential danger. Why not up to the Cross and back via the 100 steps - more challenging and won't impinge on anybody?

Halloween Jack

Maudi wrote: »

its called the cliff "walk"for a reason..can you not find somewhere else to have your run?and what do you mean introduce the "walk" to other runners?great another world class walking route ruined.and what do you mean closed??so if i go for a walk heading to greystones along the walk with the kids when your race is planned someone is going to physically stop me???i dont think so.

I run on the cliff walk every weekend. Why should walkers have exclusive access to a public path? WHy should runners have to find somewhere else to run? Your rationale seems to be because its called the 'cliff walk'.

When im running walkers can be a bit inconvenient, but with a bit of politeness and respect both ways, its never a problem. Ive also seen mountain bikers on the path, again with common sense, not a problem.

I'll be running the race in April, and am looking forward to it. Its a beautiful local amenity, why anyone would have a problem using it in a creative way, every once in a while, is bemusing to me. The race appears to be taking place in the evening, there will not be many on the path at all.

Of course if you are determined to ruin your walk, turn up and walk alongside hundreds of runners, im sure nobody will physically stop you:)

Cerco

Halloween Jack wrote: »

I run on the cliff walk every weekend. Why should walkers have exclusive access to a public path? WHy should runners have to find somewhere else to run? Your rationale seems to be because its called the 'cliff walk'.

When im running walkers can be a bit inconvenient, but with a bit of politeness and respect both ways, its never a problem. Ive also seen mountain bikers on the path, again with common sense, not a problem.

I'll be running the race in April, and am looking forward to it. Its a beautiful local amenity, why anyone would have a problem using it in a creative way, every once in a while, is bemusing to me. The race appears to be taking place in the evening, there will not be many on the path at all.

Of course if you are determined to ruin your walk, turn up and walk alongside hundreds of runners, im sure nobody will physically stop you:)

I think if you review your post with respect to the highlights you will begin to realise how daft this proposal is. Perhaps this concept is an April's Fools joke?
If not I trust the Council will have common sense and reject any such application.

Halloween Jack

Cerco wrote: »

I think if you review your post with respect to the highlights you will begin to realise how daft this proposal is. Perhaps this concept is an April's Fools joke?
If not I trust the Council will have common sense and reject any such application.

Randomly highlighting tiny sections of my post without adding anything by way of cogent counter argument weakens your position tbh.

As the organisers have posted on this thread, the race will take place at 6pm on a saturday evening in early April. There will hardly be anybody inconvenienced by that, particularly if the weather is bad. As other posters have alluded, it is a a tiny portion of one weekend out of the whole year, hardly a big deal for walkers to make other arrangement once during the year?

Like i say, I run on the cliff walk whenever i like, and do most weekends, as the weather improves i'll run on it in the evenings. Several friends of mine from elsewhere have entered this race at my behest, as i thought it would be a nice way to show off the area. We will be booking a table at a restaurant in the locality and going for a few beers after. SHould the race not go ahead, we'd be forced to enter a different race and take our businness elsewhere.

Halloween Jack

mango salsa wrote: »

Yeah they block off parts of the city - its not the same or comparable because you can walk around them.

There is nothing stopping you walk between greystones and bray on the paved road while the route is closed, should you so wish. The two events are entirely comparable.

Wally Runs

its called the cliff "walk"for a reason..can you not find somewhere else to have your run?and what do you mean introduce the "walk" to other runners?great another world class walking route ruined.and what do you mean closed??so if i go for a walk heading to greystones along the walk with the kids when your race is planned someone is going to physically stop me???i dont think so.

I think this is best! First up, it is called on the OS map the 'Bray-Greystones cliff walk', so I hope nobody has been going Greystones to Bray, because clearly that is not on at all. Sure the clue is in the name! While we are at it, I hope nobody has been running on Albert Walk, even if you are Albert!

Secondly, why is the Sugarloaf not sugar, come on Wicklow County Council what are you doing!

Maudi

Wally Runs wrote: »

I think this is best! First up, it is called on the OS map the 'Bray-Greystones cliff walk', so I hope nobody has been going Greystones to Bray, because clearly that is not on at all. Sure the clue is in the name! While we are at it, I hope nobody has been running on Albert Walk, even if you are Albert!

Secondly, why is the Sugarloaf not sugar, come on Wicklow County Council what are you doing!

??by any chance did you fall on your head once or twice while running??

RosieJoe

Maudi wrote: »

??by any chance did you fall on your head once or twice while running??

In fairness Wally was responding to the fact that as it is called the Cliff Walk it should be used for walking only

Maudi

RosieJoe wrote: »

In fairness Wally was responding to the fact that as it is called the Cliff Walk it should be used for walking only

i rather suspect wally is being jus a tad pedantic..lots of people use the cliff walk....men .women..kids..elderly people on their own or with dogs..(even the lesser spotted flasher has been seen on it) and yes groups use it well into the dusk hours..i walk it myself at night and it can be very busy..i just think its a little inconsiderate to have a cupla hundred joggers taking over when theres already established over land joggers trails have you considered kilruddery??im sure you've tried them..or heck theres 2000 sum square miles of the county to pick from.

Maudi

Wally Runs wrote: »

I think this is best! First up, it is called on the OS map the 'Bray-Greystones cliff walk', so I hope nobody has been going Greystones to Bray, because clearly that is not on at all. Sure the clue is in the name! While we are at it, I hope nobody has been running on Albert Walk, even if you are Albert!

Secondly, why is the Sugarloaf not sugar, come on Wicklow County Council what are you doing!

we're having that sugar issue looked into we'l get back to you..it comes in under false advertising..

Splendour

daydorunrun wrote: »

It's called a race- for your entry fee you get to test yourself competitively against others in a formal, officially timed event, for your entry fee (this goes for any race, of which there are hundreds of organized event around the country every week) you usually get a commemorative t-shirt and 'goody bag', containing samples of sports products etc as well as a sense of well being!!

Your argument is bit like saying why would anybody sit in a cafe paying for a coffee when they have coffee at home in the press.

I think anybody complaining about this event which may inconvenience them for about an hour and a half out of the nearly 9000 hours there are in a year is a bit of a kill joy!!

Eh, who said I was arguing?!! Won't bother me in the least-although from a safety viewpoint I think it is a tad bit of a strange place for a race.

Halloween Jack

Maudi wrote: »

i rather suspect wally is being jus a tad pedantic..lots of people use the cliff walk....men .women..kids..elderly people on their own or with dogs..(even the lesser spotted flasher has been seen on it) and yes groups use it well into the dusk hours..i walk it myself at night and it can be very busy..i just think its a little inconsiderate to have a cupla hundred joggers taking over when theres already established over land joggers trails have you considered kilruddery??im sure you've tried them..or heck theres 2000 sum square miles of the county to pick from.

I rather suspect you are missing several points at once, pretty spectacularly, with that post.

julie2tubz

I'm genuinely shocked that people are complaining about this? The cliff walk will be closed for 3 hours on one Saturday evening early April and it only happens once a year! This is hardly something to be giving out about? How could this bother anyone? It seems like a complete over-reaction from people. It's slightly amusing also as it's bordering on insane.

Annasopra

I get that you disagree with objectors but questioning their sanity is way OTT. In addition to that is in danger of personalising the argument.

julie2tubz

mango salsa wrote: »

I get that you disagree with objectors but questioning their sanity is way OTT. In addition to that is in danger of personalising the argument.

...And Maudis comments about someone falling on their heads is ok? I didn't single anyone out to personally attack.

NoQuarter

Maudi wrote: »

its called the cliff "walk"for a reason..

Maudi wrote: »

i rather suspect wally is being jus a tad pedantic.

Eh? :rolleyes:

This is the saddest, most pathetic thread I've had the misfortune of reading in a long time. I am trying my utmost to attack the posts and not the posters so here I go;

The posts are incredibly SAD that they complain of closing a small section of land for 3 hours of the whole year. The point that the marathon and this run are not comparable is bewildering. They are identical apart from location and terrain.

As for the post that eminates the point that "ill walk that there land and nobody gonna stop me", what to even say about that. Next time a foreign diplomat arrives and a Garda bike closes off a road for a few minutes I expect to see you breeze on through.

Halloween Jack

mango salsa wrote: »

I get that you disagree with objectors but questioning their sanity is way OTT. In addition to that is in danger of personalising the argument.

Nobody is seriously questioning anybody else's sanity. It's clearly hyperbole.

This thread is a train wreck. One side of the argument are being entirely reasonable and the other are spouting a drone-like, cyclical argument of the flimsiest construct imaginable.

This town is a nice place to live but there's obviously a bunch of serious numpties around.

Annasopra

Folks as per the charter I am not responding on thread to comments about moderation.
Any further comments send me a pm

nerraw1111

trad wrote: »

Came across this http://www.gaelforceevents.com/trailblazer/.
It's a 10k run along the Cliff Path from Greystones to Bray on a Saturday.

Now anytime I've been on the cliff path there has been loads of walkers using this public amenity.

Looks very ill thought out to me. And it's €25 to enter and they want volunteers to work on it.

Any comments before I get onto the Council on Monday

The irony is that race went ahead last year without you noticing.

Halloween Jack

nerraw1111 wrote: »

The irony is that race went ahead last year without you noticing.

Game, set, match....

thirstywork2

recedite wrote: »

Not necessarily. Around a year ago I walked the path from Greystones with kids and met runners involved in a beach run event at the last section. They had run the length of Bray beach and then on up to the old toll gate on the path before turning. Even that short section was chaotic because you had runners going in both directions, and trying to overtake walkers at the same time. Tempers were fraying. This event seems to be in one direction only so it might work out, provided they don't all start at the same time in one big bunch.

Sorry what you wrote has nothing to do with this event.I ran it last year as part of a team made up from one of the local hotels.The runners didn't run on the path on the way down but on the inside of the beach(In no ones way)
Yes it does start in one big bunch,that usually is how a race happens.

recedite

thirstywork2 wrote: »

Sorry what you wrote has nothing to do with this event...

I didn't say it was the same event. I think its a valid comparison; a running race on the cliff path. It now transpires that the path will be closed to walkers for this particular event, which solves some of the problems and creates others.
The cliff path ends before the beach. Nobody complained about runners on the beach.
Sometimes races are run as a time-trial, not a bunch start.

Mebuntu

LOL, if I was a bit younger I wouldn't mind having a go at running this.....but I'd be stopping every 30 seconds to admire the views!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKFr2M3BdRE

recedite

Nice video. BTW, if you remember the opening ceremony of the London Olympics, there was a guy in a top hat acting as master of ceremonies, as they kept building and rebuilding that mound thingy. He introduced himself as the great Victorian engineer, Isambard Kingdom Brunel.
It was he who came over to Bray to build the cliff railway, with its spectacular tunnels. Not for the money, or because he needed the work, but just for the challenge.

RosieJoe

Best of luck to everyone doing this tomorrow, enjoy the run