Compulsive liar jailed after 11 false rape claims in decade

Agent Smith

Elizabeth Jones, 22, admitted she lied about the latest rape allegation because she “did not like” the man she accused of attacking her, Southampton Crown Court was told.

Her latest victim, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was arrested and questioned for nine hours before being released without charge.

After a judge jailed her for 16 months, it emerged today that she made her first complaint in 2004 aged just 13 before alleging other men had attacked her over the next nine years.

In 2009 she was given a ten month detention and training order for a similar offence.

Between 2005 and 2007 she had made eight other allegations, which police investigated, but she was never charged.

Link

16 months is a total Joke.

IceFjoem

She hot?

Agent Smith

IceFjoem wrote: »

She hot?

She not

JonEBGud

Rape she cried hopefully.

MadsL

In 16 months time, rapists will be queuing around the block to have a go. Who is going to believe her?

EDIT: Scratch that, just viewed the pic. Mother of God.

Cereal Number

So this is what Vicky Pollard is up to nowadays

Galwayguy35

What an absolute skanger, 16 months for ruining peoples lives.

Those men could have got their heads kicked in based on her lies.

She should have got a year for each false claim she made.

mawk

Sentencing should be what a rapist would have gotten.
That would be fair

Dwork

mawk wrote: »

Sentencing should be what a rapist would have gotten.
That would be fair

So, probably 6 months with the last three suspended? Going by the joke sentences handed out normally. Did plod not cop that she might have err, issues after the first, ohh, I don't know, say four false claims?? How many times did the little boy who cried wolf get away with it? I'm rusty on my fairy tales.

Plazaman

Megan Topliss, defending, said her client had endured a disturbed childhood and had been left traumatised after being taken into care

*tee hee

The_Kew_Tour

She is scum.

To ruin people's lives like she has.

Abi

How did it get as far as 11? She's obviously damaged in the head.

Angron

What she did was disgusting, trying to ruin people's lives for the simple reason of not really liking someone. Not to mention stuff like this seems to trivialise other, real, rape claims.

Kidchameleon

She looks like jaba the hutt who in their right mind would rape that?

tigger123

Kidchameleon wrote: »

She looks like jaba the hutt who in their right mind would rape that?

Only the pretty girls should be raped?

monkeypants

tigger123 wrote: »

Only the pretty girls should be raped?

They ask for it more, obviously.

stoneill

Good enough for her - how many lives has she ruined with her lies?

anncoates

Cue: bitches, whores, liars, sluts etc

KTRIC

I bet even rapists are say "eeeeewwwwwww" at the thoughts of giving her one.

Logical_Bear

IceFjoem wrote: »

She hot?

wouldnt touch her with your mickey tbh:pac:

Melion

tigger123 wrote: »

Only the pretty girls should be raped?

Ugly ones put out quicker, no need for a rape.

Mod

Thread derailing post deleted.

Think about what you're posting lads, posting about whether or not someone is worth raping just crosses so many lines so please don't do it.

Cheers.

Czarcasm

Normally I'd be among the first to call for a bit of tolerance in an attempt to understand the unusual behaviour of a mentally deficient person, but in this case there's no analysis necessary- this girl is just an attention seeker who would like to have people believe that all men want her and no man can resist her.

She should've been locked up a long time ago for her own good. I can only hope that in prison she'll avail of self esteem classes and get the help she obviously desperately needs.

Clarehobo

Czarcasm wrote: »

Normally I'd be among the first to call for a bit of tolerance in an attempt to understand the unusual behaviour of a mentally deficient person, but in this case there's no analysis necessary- this girl is just an attention seeker who would like to have people believe that all men want her and no man can resist her.

She should've been locked up a long time ago for her own good. I can only hope that in prison she'll avail of self esteem classes and get the help she obviously desperately needs.

I don't know if prison is suitable for dealing with people who have obvious mental health issues - especially someone like her who has apparently undergone some form of punishment/reform for this behaviour previously. Prison is not going to fix her issues.

mackg

What's going to stop her making more claims along these lines in jail? If it is genuinely compulsive behaviour then she needs to be put in a mental health facility for the foreseeable future. If not she should have got a sentence more in line with the harm she set out to do.

Megan Topliss, defending, said her client had endured a disturbed childhood and had been left traumatised after being taken into care.

This defense coupled with her history should have meant at minimum a spell spell in psychiachtric facility once the rape was proven false as it's an admittance on her part she has problems and it's clear she cannot be trusted to be left out among the general population.

Czarcasm

Clarehobo wrote: »

I don't know if prison is suitable for dealing with people who have obvious mental health issues - especially someone like her who has apparently undergone some form of punishment/reform for this behaviour previously. Prison is not going to fix her issues.

That's my point Clare. In this case there really doesn't seem to be any apparent mental health issues, hence why I said that as merely an attention seeker she should hopefully get the help she needs under incarceration in prison, for her own sake.

Clarehobo

Czarcasm wrote: »

That's my point Clare. In this case there really doesn't seem to be any apparent mental health issues, hence why I said that as merely an attention seeker she should hopefully get the help she needs under incarceration in prison, for her own sake.

To be honest, the article doesn't really say anything about her mental state.

She later went to the police station for a medical examination and repeated the false allegation.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would do that: make false allegations and then present for a medical exam. I also don't think someone would undergo punishment for a crime like this and then re-offend without having something a bit off mentally.

All the above are just my reading of the situation. What she did was extremely wrong and she should be punished for it, but I just don't think prison will fix her IF it is a mental health problem.

starlings

Czarcasm wrote: »

That's my point Clare. In this case there really doesn't seem to be any apparent mental health issues, hence why I said that as merely an attention seeker she should hopefully get the help she needs under incarceration in prison, for her own sake.

attention seekers have loads of platforms and opportunities to get noticed, and the worst they usually do is annoy people. To accuse innocent men of rape gets her attention alright, but she'd have to be more seriously disturbed than just a drama queen to do that - repeatedly too. Maybe her personal health is stable enough, but her actions show a complete lack of awareness of others - the men she accused, and women who have actually been raped.

Czarcasm

starlings wrote: »

attention seekers have loads of platforms and opportunities to get noticed, and the worst they usually do is annoy people. To accuse innocent men of rape gets her attention alright, but she'd have to be more seriously disturbed than just a drama queen to do that - repeatedly too. Maybe her personal health is stable enough, but her actions show a complete lack of awareness of others - the men she accused, and women who have actually been raped.

You'd be surprised (would you? maybe not?) the lengths some people will go to in order to get attention and validation, but sometimes it's all too easy to ascribe their behaviour to a mental health issue, there are many that could apply in her case, but these would surely have been explored by professionally trained counsellors during her eleven previously reported incidents.

The horrible thing is that the police have no option BUT to take her seriously each time and investigate each claim, every time, whether she makes one claim or ninety nine claims. That's why I said she would be better off for her own good to be removed from the situation, incarcerated, and MADE to attend self esteem classes rather than just having the option to do so in a mental health facility.

kingtut

I knew looking at her pic was a bad idea
*shudders*

Scruffles

mackg wrote: »

What's going to stop her making more claims along these lines in jail? If it is genuinely compulsive behaviour then she needs to be put in a mental health facility for the foreseeable future. If not she should have got a sentence more in line with the harm she set out to do.

risk assessment!
used to live in a residential home for people with id and a lady who lived there [more on the mental health side than id] had been raped when younger-she is like this woman,she acused many male staff of trying to rape her and often pretended to be unconcious to get males to lean forward and give her attention,she was forced onto the pill because she had threatened to make herself pregnant for years.
acording to risk assessing she was not allowed to be dealt with by males;only females coud approach her,if there were only male staffers in-two had to approach her and they had to get her to come out of her bedroom rather than they go in.
she was truly delusional.

from the sounds of this womans past,she may be still stuck there and deluded into believing rape acusing is an acceptable way to punish,perhaps she deluded herself into believing it actualy happened...either way she does need help but not in a pyschiatric facility as she is not legaly insane,perhaps a wing for vulnerable prisoners but not sharing a dorm as no one shoud have to suffer possible rape/abuse charges.

and perhaps those picking on the girls looks as a supposed deterrent for rape woud mind putting their own photos up so they can be compared? sometimes anyone woud think this is a board for spurned males by the judgemental attitudes some vocal users have towards females looks without a word as to their own.
it undermines the suffering of most rape victims who were raped purely for power play, nothing to do with looks.

starlings

Czarcasm wrote: »

You'd be surprised (would you? maybe not?) the lengths some people will go to in order to get attention and validation, but sometimes it's all too easy to ascribe their behaviour to a mental health issue, there are many that could apply in her case, but these would surely have been explored by professionally trained counsellors during her eleven previously reported incidents.

The horrible thing is that the police have no option BUT to take her seriously each time and investigate each claim, every time, whether she makes one claim or ninety nine claims. That's why I said she would be better off for her own good to be removed from the situation, incarcerated, and MADE to attend self esteem classes rather than just having the option to do so in a mental health facility.

Yeah, I think I was trying to extend the term mental health to include some sort of "social health." I've met (thankfully few) people who might be narcissists and compulsive liars -I'm not qualified to diagnose them- and the damage they do is staggering. Self-esteem building is important, but does it address basic respect and empathy for other people? Again, I'm not qualified, but I have heard people manipulating therapy-speak to rationalise and justify their own selfishness.

Czarcasm

Scruffles wrote: »

risk assessment!
used to live in a residential home for people with id and a lady who lived there [more on the mental health side than id] had been raped when younger-she is like this woman,she acused many male staff of trying to rape her and often pretended to be unconcious to get males to lean forward and give her attention,she was forced onto the pill because she had threatened to make herself pregnant for years.
acording to risk assessing she was not allowed to be dealt with by males;only females coud approach her,if there were only male staffers in-two had to approach her and they had to get her to come out of her bedroom rather than they go in.
she was truly delusional.

from the sounds of this womans past,she may be still stuck there and deluded into believing rape acusing is an acceptable way to punish,perhaps she deluded herself into believing it actualy happened...either way she does need help but not in a pyschiatric facility as she is not legaly insane,perhaps a wing for vulnerable prisoners but not sharing a dorm as no one shoud have to suffer possible rape/abuse charges.

and perhaps those picking on the girls looks as a supposed deterrent for rape woud mind putting their own photos up so they can be compared? sometimes anyone woud think this is a board for spurned males by the judgemental attitudes some vocal users have towards females looks without a word as to their own.
it undermines the suffering of most rape victims who were raped purely for power play, nothing to do with looks.

Nail on the head. Quality post.

cournioni

Defending council: Megan Topliss.

Grayson

Czarcasm wrote: »

Normally I'd be among the first to call for a bit of tolerance in an attempt to understand the unusual behaviour of a mentally deficient person, but in this case there's no analysis necessary- this girl is just an attention seeker who would like to have people believe that all men want her and no man can resist her.

She should've been locked up a long time ago for her own good. I can only hope that in prison she'll avail of self esteem classes and get the help she obviously desperately needs.

It depends. There's a bit more info in this, but although it says her previous allegations were investigated, it doesn't say how long they lasted of if any charges were ever brought

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9894588/Compulsive-liar-jailed-after-11-false-rape-claims-in-decade.html


If anyone was convicted before or had to go through trial, then the punishment definitely needs to be longer. But either way, it needs to include treatment.

Of course she might just be so ****ing stupid that she'd do it again anyway.

uch

Kidchameleon wrote: »

She looks like jaba the hutt who in their right mind would rape that?

And now I can't finish me breakfast roll after seeing Jabba

ashers22

confusing thread is confusing. I've known rapists who have walked free or given more lenient charges. Is 16 months not adequate? The girl obviously has mental issues and her background has been taken into account during her sentencing. Not sure what more would be more appropriate? 100 lashes maybe?

ashers22

ashers22 wrote: »

confusing thread is confusing. I've known rapists who have walked free or given more lenient charges. Is 16 months not adequate? The girl obviously has mental issues and her background has been taken into account during her sentencing. Not sure what more would be more appropriate? 100 lashes maybe?

Making 11 rape claims against men.. She should be beaten within an inch of her life and then jailed for the rest of it.


Edit: That was a big harsh.. But I think the sentence is too lenient. Imagine all the guys accused of child rape because she didn't like them.

mackg

Scruffles wrote: »

risk assessment!
used to live in a residential home for people with id and a lady who lived there [more on the mental health side than id] had been raped when younger-she is like this woman,she acused many male staff of trying to rape her and often pretended to be unconcious to get males to lean forward and give her attention,she was forced onto the pill because she had threatened to make herself pregnant for years.
acording to risk assessing she was not allowed to be dealt with by males;only females coud approach her,if there were only male staffers in-two had to approach her and they had to get her to come out of her bedroom rather than they go in.
she was truly delusional.

from the sounds of this womans past,she may be still stuck there and deluded into believing rape acusing is an acceptable way to punish,perhaps she deluded herself into believing it actualy happened...either way she does need help but not in a pyschiatric facility as she is not legaly insane,perhaps a wing for vulnerable prisoners but not sharing a dorm as no one shoud have to suffer possible rape/abuse charges.

and perhaps those picking on the girls looks as a supposed deterrent for rape woud mind putting their own photos up so they can be compared? sometimes anyone woud think this is a board for spurned males by the judgemental attitudes some vocal users have towards females looks without a word as to their own.
it undermines the suffering of most rape victims who were raped purely for power play, nothing to do with looks.

Thanks for this! I was interested in what you said here as my experience of psych wards and stuff is limited to visiting a friend or two when they were put in the psych ward to dry out so I really have very little first hand experience.

The thing is that wings for vulnerable prisoners generally house sex offenders, obviously a problem here so that's out. The other thing is that given you say she isn't legally insane so this doesn't apply:

Individuals who are mentally ill within the meaning of the Mental Health Act
1983 and who are held in segregation or seclusion, as that is the only way they
can be safely contained, should be transferred immediately (within 24 hours) to
a psychiatric hospital

link: http://www.prisonmentalhealth.org/page_view.asp?c=17&did=271&fc=012

The procedure for dealing with prisoners outside the remit above is outlined here: http://www.prisonmentalhealth.org/page_view.asp?c=17&did=1271&fc=008001

Given this I'm finding it hard to see what is to be done in this case other than solitary confinement. Is that essentially what the girl you knew was in?

suicide_circus

People seem to be giving this girl leeway for her crimes due to her troubled past. I wonder would they afford the same courtesy to a male rapist with a similar history ?

mackg

suicide_circus wrote: »

People seem to be giving this girl leeway for her crimes due to her troubled past. I wonder would they afford the same courtesy to a male rapist with a similar history ?

Not really, it's just interesting that there is someone in the thread who actually has some insight into people like this woman and the difficulties of dealing with such an unusual case. It might be nice to hear something different and interesting in a thread rather than the same thing being said over and over again.

admiralofthefleet

she looks like peter griffin in the pic because of her huge fat neck.

The Barefoot Pizza Thief

The only relevance that her looks have here, is that perhaps not being attractive to the opposite sex is part of the reason why she has done this, but otherwise, it is completely irrelevant and just being used as stick to beat her with.

She clearly needs help. Help, I doubt she'll get in prison.

suicide_circus

The Barefoot Pizza Thief wrote: »

She clearly needs help. Help, I doubt she'll get in prison.

I would say a lot of people who commit crimes need help that they wont get in prison. Why is this girl a special case? As a feminist, i'm outraged.

16 months sentence? By all rights, she should be given the same that those people would have gotten .. times 11.

Madam_X

Why should she get the same sentence as a rapist... when she isn't a rapist?

suicide_circus wrote: »

I would say a lot of people who commit crimes need help that they wont get in prison. Why is this girl a special case? As a feminist, i'm outraged.

Who says she's a special case? IMO anyone whose severely mentally ill (if that's the case with her) should be sent to a secure psychiatric institution.

The Barefoot Pizza Thief

suicide_circus wrote: »

I would say a lot of people who commit crimes need help that they wont get in prison.

Crimes that wouldn't have benefited them financially and were based on lying about things happening them that didn't? I doubt it.

Angron

The Barefoot Pizza Thief wrote: »

The only relevance that her looks have here, is that perhaps not being attractive to the opposite sex is part of the reason why she has done this, but otherwise, it is completely irrelevant and just being used as stick to beat her with.

She clearly needs help. Help, I doubt she'll get in prison.

That's more or less my view too. Appearance has nothing to do with it, it's the actions that are the issue.

suicide_circus

Madam_X wrote: »

Who says she's a special case? IMO anyone whose severely mentally ill (if that's the case with her) should be sent to a secure psychiatric institution.

I look forward to this line being towed consistently

Madam_X

Madam_X wrote: »

Why should she get the same sentence as a rapist... when she isn't a rapist?

Who says she's a special case? IMO anyone whose severely mentally ill (if that's the case with her) should be sent to a secure psychiatric institution.

Doesn't matter if the people were proved not to be rapists, that stigma is still going to be attached to them for the rest of their lives. And she did it to 11 people. 16 months for that is an absolute joke.

Also - stricter punishments on people that make false rape accusations might put people off actually making them.

Vicar in a tutu

16 months is a joke, it's refreshing to see her face in the paper instead of any of the men she falsely accused, I cant imagine the turmoil these men and their families must of went through, and sadly people will more than likely always remember the accusations, how did it get to 11 though??, Women like her really boil my blood, its also making a mockery of actual rape victims , such a flippant thing to lie about.. all because she didnt like them anymore :mad::mad::mad: