Massey Ferguson 135

Jack H

Hello I am doing up my Mf 135 and I was wondering would I be able to change to wet brakes from dry brakes and if so how would I be able to go about this thanks.

Mad4mf

Am Just taking a guess; I believe the 148 had the wet brakes if you could find the back axle of one of them it might bolt up fairly easily

powerfarmer

As far as I know wet brakes didnt appear on the 3 cylinder masseys until the 250. The 148 and 550 all had dry drum brakes more or less the same as a 135.

emaherx

Original post is 2 years old!
I believe there is another similar thread lurking around as well.

There are 135 models with wet breaks. 135 orchard model, possibly only available in the states and Canada as well as various industrial models. All of which have 165 back ends. I believe they are 165's from clutch bell housing back. (Gear ratios might be different from the 165 to allow for smaller wheels)

I have recently acquired an MF205 industrial which has the same 3 cylinder engine and old type mf 165 back Axel with inboard dry breaks. But has completely different gearbox as it is Tourqe converter.

So you could be talking about replacing half the tractor before getting wet breaks to work. Don't know about how well mf 250 back axles will fit. But I suspect the answer is it's probably not practical.

I have a standard 135 also and adjust the breaks as required. I find they are sufficient when maintained.

Desolation Of Smug

It's a 135 - - a lump of wood rubbing on the tyre would stop them!

Dozer Dave

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

It's a 135 - - a lump of wood rubbing on the tyre would stop them!

Not if they hopped out of gear and on a decline, never get them back into gear. Either abort or wing it.

Desolation Of Smug

Dozer Dave wrote: »

Not if they hopped out of gear and on a decline, never get them back into gear. Either abort or wing it.

Tell me about it. I was stuck on one for a few years back in the day. Lambourne cab,,,the height of luxury...not...the joys of it getting a new exhaust - so you could breath in the aroma of burning new paint all day every day from dawn till dusk....:D

Nekarsulm

emaherx wrote: »

Original post is 2 years old!
I believe there is another similar thread lurking around as well.

There are 135 models with wet breaks. 135 orchard model, possibly only available in the states and Canada as well as various industrial models. All of which have 165 back ends. I believe they are 165's from clutch bell housing back. (Gear ratios might be different from the 165 to allow for smaller wheels)

I have recently acquired an MF205 industrial which has the same 3 cylinder engine and old type mf 165 back Axel with inboard dry breaks. But has completely different gearbox as it is Tourqe converter.

So you could be talking about replacing half the tractor before getting wet breaks to work. Don't know about how well mf 250 back axles will fit. But I suspect the answer is it's probably not practical.

I have a standard 135 also and adjust the breaks as required. I find they are sufficient when maintained.

At least with the 203 or 205 you will have both the inboard dry disks, and a set of drums for the handbrake.
Often you will find that the dry disks are worn out/oiled, and the foot pedals are now connected to the "hand brake" drums.
Around a yard, most people with these torque transmission 203's never touch the brakes anyway, just tip her into "forward" or "reverse".

Edit: Early 250's had the "round axle" as well, just like a 65.

Carawaystick

emaherx wrote: »

Original post is 2 years old!

The original Massey is older though!

emaherx

Nekarsulm wrote: »

At least with the 203 or 205 you will have both the inboard dry disks, and a set of drums for the handbrake.
Often you will find that the dry disks are worn out/oiled, and the foot pedals are now connected to the "hand brake" drums.
Around a yard, most people with these torque transmission 203's never touch the brakes anyway, just tip her into "forward" or "reverse".

Edit: Early 250's had the "round axle" as well, just like a 65.

Exactly describes mine, although I think I will go ahead and repair the inboard breaks. I believe if it has them it should work.

Nekarsulm

emaherx wrote: »

Exactly describes mine, although I think I will go ahead and repair the inboard breaks. I believe if it has them it should work.

I was tempted to go the Square Axle route for a 65 I have, but the local machinery sales place advised that for all she'd ever be doing, it wasn't worth the cost involved. He claims that the seals now available (red?) are far better that those of 40 years ago and will prevent any oil contamination.

His reasoning was that to do a square axle conversion would run close to 800 euro, while the originals can be properly overhauled for 300.

emaherx

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I was tempted to go the Square Axle route for a 65 I have, but the local machinery sales place advised that for all she'd ever be doing, it wasn't worth the cost involved. He claims that the seals now available (red?) are far better that those of 40 years ago and will prevent any oil contamination.

His reasoning was that to do a square axle conversion would run close to 800 euro, while the originals can be properly overhauled for 300.

I think the inboard dry breaks are fine when working properly, especially for the 205 as it won't be hauling trailers. Same as the drums on our 135, I find it handy for topping, haybobing and mowing lawns, but it never pulls a load exceeding it's breaking capabilities.

You would probably sell your 65 and upgrade to square Axel 165 for a little more and a lot less hassle.