Interesting Article

john_cappa

Article below from muscletalk member Drew. He is very well educated and clued in so his opinions have alot of validity

http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/muscle-building-basics.aspx

The paragraph below in particular

"The other thing I want to talk about is carbs. Many people will tell you that a simple carbohydrate is needed post-workout to help 'shuttle nutrients into your muscle cells', but this is simply false. In fact, there is not one valid scientific study which suggests this and the ones that do are extremely flawed and often run by the supplement companies and bodybuilding magazines, who simply want you to buy their latest post-workout supplement. The truth of the matter is that the entire post-workout simple carb and fast digesting protein idea is a myth and in fact you would be much better off not eating anything for the first couple of hours after your workout. Why? After your workouts your human growth hormone levels are the highest, which is a critical muscle building hormone. But when you consume any type of food, your human growth hormone levels will take a drop (your human growth hormone levels are highest when you're fasting – think sleep). If you want to reap the most benefit of this hormone, then not eating for the first couple of hours after your workout is the way to go"

Opinions?

Zombienosh

That is interesting, kinda goes against everything most people do.

Stench Blossoms

I'd be interested in hearing other peoples opinions on this. I over heard a trainer in my gym saying this to someone and it turned me off ever getting a PT session off her.

xgtdec

I'd say its working better for me to hit the happy medium for post workout, i often feel a bit sicky at the end of a workout so im in no mood for anything at all, but if i left it 2 hours id be rampaging through the fridge....I'll leave mine at 60 minutes.

Gummy Panda

Better things to worry about then natty HGH and I think timings are irrelevant to everyone bar the top % athletes and the enhanced/slin users.

Sugar Free

From my own experience, I would agree on the carb part. Obviously I have not performed a peer reviewed study ranked in the ABS Journal Quality publication or anything but removing simple carbs PWO has not affected me.

However, it's far easier to neck a protein shake post workout than worrying about GH manipulation post training.

Maybe if there's a growing body of evidence to support it more people will try it but you'd need to carefully evaluate a few things:

How long after training should you wait?
Does this time vary with age, size, type of training, training age etc?
What should the meal composition be?

...and so on.

TL DR; seems like a lot of effort, drink a protein shake straight after then a good wholefood high protein meal after that and you'll have no problems.

Hanley

Don't bother reading this article unless you're getting at least 8 hours of quality sleep per night.

john_cappa

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Better things to worry about then natty HGH and I think timings are irrelevant to everyone bar the top % athletes and the enhanced/slin users.

Agree that people in general get caught up nit picking specifics about timings etc rather than worrying about the bigger picture.

I am wondering is what he is saying correct at all though? Are you shutting down your natural HGH by eating directly after training?

Sugar Free wrote: »

TL DR; seems like a lot of effort, drink a protein shake straight after then a good wholefood high protein meal after that and you'll have no problems.

Not really. He is advocating skipping PWO protocol and just do PPWO which is less effort and you will still have "no problems"

Hanley wrote: »

Don't bother reading this article unless you're getting at least 8 hours of quality sleep per night.

Infairness you could use that argument in relation to any query relating to any facet of training. There is always something extra a person can do to control their rate of progress. Some are big and some are small but all matter. I am not saying read this article and this is what we should so but presenting it to stimulate discussion.


Is carbs and glycogen replacement such a big issue after training? I personally dont think so.

Is protein required straight away? Again I dont think so as assuming you are eating regularly there is plenty already in system in various stages of being broken down to aminos.

If they are not required then the big question are they doing more harm than good? Fairly difficult thing to measure.

Gummy Panda

john_cappa wrote: »

Agree that people in general get caught up nit picking specifics about timings etc rather than worrying about the bigger picture.

I am wondering is what he is saying correct at all though? Are you shutting down your natural HGH by eating directly after training?




Not really. He is advocating skipping PWO protocol and just do PPWO which is less effort and you will still have "no problems"




Infairness you could use that argument in relation to any query relating to any facet of training. There is always something extra a person can do to control their rate of progress. Some are big and some are small but all matter. I am not saying read this article and this is what we should so but presenting it to stimulate discussion.


Is carbs and glycogen replacement such a big issue after training? I personally dont think so.

Is protein required straight away? Again I dont think so as assuming you are eating regularly there is plenty already in system in various stages of being broken down to aminos.

If they are not required then the big question are they doing more harm than good? Fairly difficult thing to measure.

The release hgh is being released to not to increase muscle mass but as a stress response to a catabolic event. Its trying to preserve the muscle until we can refeed. Its a survival mechanism. Homeostasis will always come into effect

john_cappa

Gummy Panda wrote: »

The release hgh is being released to not to increase muscle mass but as a stress response to a catabolic event. Its trying to preserve the muscle until we can refeed. Its a survival mechanism. Homeostasis will always come into effect

So what he is saying is entirely wrong if that is the case?

Gummy Panda

john_cappa wrote: »

So what he is saying is entirely wrong if that is the case?

In grand scheme of things it doesn't matter.

likewise not getting a pwo shake in within 30 mins of workout doesn't matter.

I think Alan Aragon did an article on this

Doolee

Ironically, I literally just finished reading this...

http://suppversity.blogspot.ie/2013/02/post-workout-glycogen-repletion-role-of.html?m=1

There's always a reason somewhere not to eat something if you look hard enough. Just do whatever works IMO. Every BODY is different.

deadlybuzzman

Is it not a bit odd that insulin, a hormone that's supposed to be hugely anabolic isn't mentioned even once? He also said to get to 200lbs you need 200g of protein, I was miles off 200lbs until I started taking more that that in shakes alone.
It strikes me as someone trying to reinvent the wheel to get his profile up a notch. His website address is a bit much too

Dermighty

xgtdec wrote: »

I'd say its working better for me to hit the happy medium for post workout, i often feel a bit sicky at the end of a workout so im in no mood for anything at all, but if i left it 2 hours id be rampaging through the fridge....I'll leave mine at 60 minutes.

I'd be the same.

I read in a number of places about a critical feeding window where you need protein within 30 minutes or so of finishing your workout. In general I'll have a big meal an hour before the gym (give or take 30 minutes), usually consisting of 2 XL chicken fillets, a head of broccoli and some rice or whatever is convenient. I find that when I finish my workout I like to not eat for up to an hour and I naturally get very hungry around the 45 minute 1 hour post workout mark and have my recovery shake or whatever afterwards (currently Kinetica 100% recovery).

Palinpropism

Sounds like complete tripe of an article....you can't exactly build muscle from nothing so to think that starving yourself at a point when your body most needs energy to repair and adapt because you think your getting more hgh is stupid. Your hgh peaks after about 20 mins after starting to work out and falls off pretty quickly from there...which is the main reason why your workouts become relatively more ineffective the longer they are after the 40 min mark and why bodybuilders use synthetic replacements to allow them to reap the benefits of training sessions that last a few hours.

cmyk

I'll just leave this here...

http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/5