Must a wife obey her husband?

Roger_007

The judge in the trial of Vicky Pryce, the ex-wife of the former cabinet minister Chris Huhne, lamented the jury’s “fundamental deficits of understanding” as they were discharged for failing to reach a verdict.

The jury asked a number of questions of the judge amongst which was:

"Would religious conviction be a good enough reason for a wife feeling that she had no choice, ie she promised to obey her husband in her wedding vows and he had ordered her to do something and she felt that she had to obey?"

Is this the ultimate get-out clause for married women who commit a criminal offence?

super_furry

No. No they must not and no it is not.

To sum up - no.

Beruthiel

I didn't promise to obey anyone during my wedding vows......

Anyone

Beruthiel wrote: »

I didn't promise to obey anyone during my wedding vows......

cson

Was the jury comprised of 12 year olds?

krudler

Depends on the marriage and vows I guess, ideally no, because, y'know its the 21st century, but in some cultures and family setups it's expected.

Lisha

Beruthiel wrote: »

I didn't promise to obey anyone during my wedding vows......

Agreed . . It was all about the cherishing for us

Toto Wolfcastle

I don't know many people who promise to obey these days. I didn't although we did out vows through Irish so I could have put anything in there and he wouldn't have had a clue.

Beruthiel

Anyone wrote: »

Suck it up Anyone.

aphex™

Most of their questions were not based on evidence before the court, I think that was the main problem.

If the marriage vows were given as a reason in court by Vicky then I'm sure the jury would have to consider it. Obviously, if she is divorced she didn't really hold much value in the marriage vows, though.

Also, you can't really rob a bank and say my husband asked me to do it, now can you?

Czarcasm

No*




*My wife told me to say that

Tiddlypeeps

You can't legally tie somebody into a contract that makes them do everything you ask. That type of contract shouldn't hold up in most developed countries. If somebody were to agree to a contract like that then at worst the person who initiated the contract could sue for monetary compensation, the other party should at no point be legally obliged to do anything they don't want to.

who the fug

Bobblehead Panda wrote: »

. I didn't although we did out vows through Irish so I could have put anything in there and he wouldn't have had a clue.

Handy job no need for an expensive divorce , just annul the marriage.

In answer to the opening post

No

Boombastic

A wife doesn't have to obey her husband but
a husband must obey his wife, or trouble will ensue

DipStick McSwindler

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dr.bollocko

^^^

Banned.

2ndcoming

IrishFeeney92 wrote: »

Find an Eastern European woman....They do what their told. Not like the mouthy cheating Sl*ts we have here

clairefontaine

Doesn't it depend on the conservatism of the marriage?

I have no doubt a jury would be sympathetic to conservative Muslim wife, Hassidic Jew, or perhaps a wife who was dependant financially and her husband was the sole earner or had clout[he who pays the piper and all of that..]

Ilyana 2.0

There's an old legal concept called marital coercion that, according to my criminal law lecturer, she's trying to rely on at trial. He reckons it probably won't work for her now.

Marital coercion was the presumption that if a wife committed a crime in the presence of her husband, she must be acting under his coercion. Women weren't seen as having the intelligence/ability/badness required to commit a crime in the first place.

But obviously it'd be extremely difficult to plead that today.

Gummy Panda

Yes I did this with girlfriend. If she disobeyed I would spank her.

For some reason she constantly disobeyed

slavetothegrind

only when i request the remote control

Kanye

Surely the real story here is that a jury had to be discharged for being too stupid?


That's what I took from it anyway.

LordSutch

Roger_007 wrote: »

Must a wife obey her husband?

Yes, specially when he calls from the sofa for another cuppa tea )

Phill Ewinn

Can't see how this defence is any different to another bullsh1t defence. Courts hear stuff like this presented by overpaid clowns in funny black uniforms. This is the nature of the legal system.

Gulliver

Not in Ireland. Ireland is a Matriarchy so men are conditioned from birth to obey women.

Here's a quick roadmap of an average Irish man's life

<born>
[OBEY MAMMY]
[OBEY MAMMY]
[OBEY MAMMY]
<get married>
[OBEY WIFE] [OBEY MAMMY OVER WIFE]
[OBEY WIFE] [OBEY MAMMY OVER WIFE]
[OBEY WIFE] [OBEY MAMMY OVER WIFE]
<mammy dies>
[OBEY WIFE] [REMINDED ABOUT OBEYING MAMMY OVER WIFE]
[OBEY WIFE] [REMINDED ABOUT OBEYING MAMMY OVER WIFE]
[OBEY WIFE] [REMINDED ABOUT OBEYING MAMMY OVER WIFE]
<man dies>
...
...
[HE NEVER DID ANYTHING RIGHT]

Gyalist

aphex™ wrote: »

If the marriage vows were given as a reason in court by Vicky then I'm sure the jury would have to consider it. Obviously, if she is divorced she didn't really hold much value in the marriage vows, though.

Bollocks!

It was Chris Huhne when caught having an affair with his press agent who informed the press that he was leaving his wife for her. What was she supposed to do? Stay married to the man who publicly humiliated her with his affair and, who in an effort to save his political skin, issued a statement that he was leaving his wife? Vicky Pryce learned of the affair and that her husband was leaving her through the press.

The Barefoot Pizza Thief

Truncheon Rouge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvVTnG87wbo

ejmaztec

Being highly proficient at psychological warfare, women have the ability to make their husbands think that they're being obeyed.:(

Capt'n Midnight

a contract is two way

what did the hubby promise ?

and didn't insisting on her obeying nullify that

boboldpilot

So if I asked my wife to rob the local bank? Would she get off because she had to obey me?

Nuts!

I mean the jury, nutcases. No wonder they were discharged.:mad:

johnayo

Jaysus lads, where did I go wrong? My one does nothing she's told to do.:mad:

Boombastic

johnayo wrote: »

Jaysus lads, where did I go wrong? My one does nothing she's told to do.:mad:

She's busy cherishing you

Duggy747

I'm the boss of my house and what I say goes!















When she's not around, that is....

Tombi!

Wouldn't this be the same as "I was doing what I was told. Not my fault I can't think for myself" and wouldn't really fit in the modern age? At least with cultures that don't have the whole "wife does as husband wants"

Pumpkinseeds

I wouldn't have thought that it would work for her. It doesn't help that she is clearly a very bitter woman who wants revenge on her husband for his humiliation of her. Its really sad and pathetic and just makes her look ridiculous. She was happy to keep her mouth shut when it suited her but now she's feeling vindictive, its hardly endearing.

RainyDay

Gulliver wrote: »

[HE NEVER DID ANYTHING RIGHT]

If a man cuts down a tree in the forest, and there is no woman there to see it, is he still wrong?

jonnyfingers

I love how the jury asked the judge to "define reasonable doubt". He replied it's doubt that's reasonable!


Silly jury.

Gulliver

RainyDay wrote: »

If a man cuts down a tree in the forest, and there is no woman there to see it, is he still wrong?

Yes. Because a woman will always know....

always know...

always know..