Overclockers postage

Sparks43

Has anyone bought a full system off them if so how much was the postage?

Also a second opinion on this build

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- Full Cable Management
- Asus PCE-N53 300Mbps Dual-Band Wireless-N600 PCI-E Adapter
- BitFenix Alchemy Premium Modding LED Strip - Connect White 30cm
- No Operating System
- AX1200 Gold CMPSU-1200AXUK
- Onboard Sound Card (ZERO COST)
- No Hard Drive Upgrade
- OcUK 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM
- No RAID Option (ZERO Cost)
- Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) HDD
- Samsung 250GB SSD 840 SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7TD250BW)
- No Graphics Card Upgrade
- HIS HD 7950 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (H795F3G2M) with Crysis 3 & Bioshock PC Games
- Patriot Intel Extreme Masters 32GB (4x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Quad Channel Kit (PVI332G160C9QK)
- ASRock X79 Extreme9 Intel X79 (Socket 2011) DDR3 Motherboard
- No Overclocking Options (Zero Cost)
- Intel Core i7-3820 3.60GHz (Sandybridge-E) Socket LGA2011 Processor - OEM
- Cooler Master HAF X Gaming Tower Case - Black (RC-942)
- Alpenföhn K2 Mount Doom CPU Cooler (Socket 775 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / 2011 / AM2 / AM2+ / AM3 / FM1 / FM2)

Total price £1798.24 inc 15.50 shipping (Which i think is just inside UK)

spix

That's very expensive for what it is imo.

Just put the same pc together on hardwareversand.de and it comes to under 1700 euro including build fee compared to 2050 at ocuk. There's lots of ways to save money on that build as well without losing any performance. You could get a much cheaper psu, motherboard, ram etc

indough

i may be missing something but 1200w seems a little ott

Sparks43

indough wrote: »

i may be missing something but 1200w seems a little ott

The psu is needed for additional hdds and cards over time.

The budget is around 2k and looking on a build that is as near future proof as you can get

BloodBath

There is no such thing as future proofing a pc. you're better off going for the best bang for buck. Upgrading the g-card 2-3 years down the line then doing a full upgrade 5-6 years down the line. You would build 2 high end pc's for the kind of money.

Sparks43

spix wrote: »

That's very expensive for what it is imo.

Just put the same pc together on hardwareversand.de and it comes to under 1700 euro including build fee compared to 2050 at ocuk. There's lots of ways to save money on that build as well without losing any performance. You could get a much cheaper psu, motherboard, ram etc

Just an extra thank you for that link

For the same price on oc we now have a better Graphics card and 64Gb ram
And 2 more Hdds and 4 more 3.0 usb slots

Total cost €1974.24 Delivered and Built

Looking forward to seeing how this lasts the test of Moores law :pac:

Gumbi

Sparks43 wrote: »

Just an extra thank you for that link

For the same price on oc we now have a better Graphics card and 64Gb ram
And 2 more Hdds and 4 more 3.0 usb slots

Total cost €1974.24 Delivered and Built

Looking forward to seeing how this lasts the test of Moores law :pac:

WTF do you want 64GB of RAM for? :eek:

Sparks43

Gumbi wrote: »

WTF do you want 64GB of RAM for? :eek:

32Gb ram costs 187 euro

To add the other 32 is 95 euro on top

May as well pimp the hell out of it tbh.

And this might be even cheaper as i am ringing them in the morning to work out the fan for the i7 (Most fans are self install)

dwighet

Sparks43 wrote: »

32Gb ram costs 187 euro

To add the other 32 is 95 euro on top

May as well pimp the hell out of it tbh.

And this might be even cheaper as i am ringing them in the morning to work out the fan for the i7 (Most fans are self install)

Its your money mate...spend how you wish..More power to ya..:cool:

Just be sure to get win 7 PRO to handle all that ram..

Serephucus

If this is a gaming computer, 64GB of RAM is a waste. You could have 8GB, and sink the... €200 saved? Into watercooling or something. Which would actually make something more than 0% difference. If it's for something else fair enough, I'd just like to to be aware that if it is a gaming build, it's not the best.

BloodBath

If you're spending more than €1500 on a pc you're wasting money.

indough

that depends entirely on what youll be using it for

BloodBath

Not really. Pretty much anything someone needs a lot of power for can be built for under €1500. Unless you need multi monitor setups with a lot of power there's no way you should be spending over €1500.

indough

incorrect, not when a decent monitor can set you back 500 quid right away. a decent premiere pro rig could easily cost you more than 1500 quid

BloodBath

You can get a good 23" monitor for €145

http://lb.hardwareversand.de/58+cm+%2823%29+/62093/LG+Flatron+IPS234V.article

Unless you want to go for a 27" 1440p screen there's no way you will be spending €500.

Gumbi

indough wrote: »

incorrect, not when a decent monitor can set you back 500 quid right away. a decent premiere pro rig could easily cost you more than 1500 quid

Decent is really quite a subjective term. A decent monitor for a lot of people probably cost just under 200 euro.

Crossed with Bloodbath, had the reply page open for too long!

indough

you would want a 27 inch screen for video editing and it definitely in no way could be construed as a waste of money. thats before you even get into the need for a lot of ram, as much storage as you can fit, a fast nvidia card, better than decent sound, and as quiet as possible. so yeah, you would easily rack up 1500 quids worth, just not for a gaming build

Serephucus

Blanket statements like that don't work. My PC is worth well over €1,500, and most of them are necessary and couldn't be sacrificed without affecting usability or performance.

I stand by what I said though (which wasn't that it was a waste): If it is for gaming, it's badly optimized.

uncle_sam_ie

If you have 2 grand to spend then don't go with that build. Ask the people here that have the experience and knowledge to build something much better for you. Christ, with that kind of budget you could included a nice IPS monitor. The usual recommended Germany site for buying all the components will build it for you don't want to do it yourself.

BloodBath

You could have 3 of those monitors for less than a 27" 1440p screen unless you buy one of the korean ones on e-bay which are only only about €250-300 and are supposed to be good quality.

Ram is cheap. 16gb would be more than enough for anything. The op hasn't stated what the build is for.

Why an Nvidia card? Amd cards offer similar performance for far less cost.

I reckon I could still throw a build together with 3 of those monitors for under €1500.

My PC is worth well over €1,500, and most of them are necessary and couldn't be sacrificed without affecting usability or performance.

You probably spent a few hundred on your water cooling though which is at least usable for all future builds.

indough

BloodBath wrote: »

You could have 3 of those monitors for less than a 27" 1440p screen unless you buy one of the korean ones on e-bay which are only only about €250-300 and are supposed to be good quality.

Ram is cheap. 16gb would be more than enough for anything. The op hasn't stated what the build is for.

Why an Nvidia card? Amd cards offer similar performance for far less cost.

I reckon I could still throw a build together with 3 of those monitors for under €1500.

ok then spec me this:

3930k
motherboard
psu
cpu cooler
32gb ram
fast ssd (at least 128gb and 6G)
at least 4tb storage hdd
either windows 7 or 8 64 bit
nvidia card for cuda, at least 660ti
either 3 smaller or one 27" dell ultrasharp

for under 1500

edit: arf, forgot to add a case as well, plus keyboard and mouse

marco_polo

indough wrote: »

you would want a 27 inch screen for video editing and it definitely in no way could be construed as a waste of money. thats before you even get into the need for a lot of ram, as much storage as you can fit, a fast nvidia card, better than decent sound, and as quiet as possible. so yeah, you would easily rack up 1500 quids worth, just not for a gaming build

Yes but here the OP is up to near 2g without any monitors at all, which was Bloodbaths point i think.

indough

marco_polo wrote: »

Yes but here the OP is up to near 2g without any monitors at all, which was Bloodbaths point i think.

he said

BloodBath wrote: »

If you're spending more than €1500 on a pc you're wasting money.

to which i said it depends entirely on what its for, then he started arguing that i was wrong

Serephucus

BloodBath wrote: »

You probably spent a few hundred on your water cooling though which is at least usable for all future builds.

Yes, but I was also talking about everything else: Decent sound card, good speakers, monitor desk mount, mechanical keyboard, IPS monitor, etc. All of these things aren't strictly necessary, but they do definitely all into the realm of "could spend if required" and for me, an IPS monitor, desk mount, and sound card, are required in a decent machine. Snobbish attitude maybe, but that's just me: TN is crap, stock stands are crap, onboard sound is crap, and would completely detract from what I would call a high-end machine.

BloodBath

Yeah it's kinda gone out of context a bit. I was mainly referring to the op's build and most build's in general. Whether you need strong multi thread performance or gaming performance you really shouldn't be spending much more than €1500.

You could definitely spend 2-3k with multi monitor/gpu/watercooling setups. You could spend 5k if you wanted

Anyway threw a better build together for less. This is overclockable unlike the other one as well so you can get a lot more performance out of it.

Item|Price
ASRock Z77 Extreme4, Sockel 1155, ATX|€121.79
Intel Core i7-3770K Box, LGA1155|€288.07
16GB-Kit G.Skill RipJaws-X PC3-12800U CL9|€85.18
Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950, 3GB GDDR5, PCI-Express|€270.22
Samsung SSD 840 250GB SATA 6Gb/s|€144.76
Seagate Barracuda 7200 2000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€81.89
be quiet! PURE POWER CM BQT L8-CM-730W|€90.66
Samsung SH-224BB bare schwarz|€16.99
LG Flatron IPS234V|€144.56
Thermaltake Chaser MK-I, ohne Netzteil|€107.00
BitFenix Spectre PRO 200mm Lüfter Blue LED - black|€18.85
LogiLink Wireless LAN 300 Mbps PCI Karte 802.11n 2T2R|€14.64
Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme|€74.99
MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit SB-Version Englisch|€81.61
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1560.20

Not sure if you need windows or not. I threw in 7 anyway. Change to 8 if you want. Not sure if you need a monitor. There was none in your original build but I threw one in in case you do. No keyboard or mouse either. You might need low profile ram with that cooler. You would have to check.

If it's a rig just for gaming then this is overkill.

BloodBath

Could you recommend a good sub €100 sound card? I've been meaning to get one for a while since my old x-fi died.

-edit- Looking at them now I guess there are no good sub €100 sound cards. I'd have to spend at least €150 for something decent. I guess I'll have to put up with my ****ty onboard sound a bit longer

Serephucus

Erm, there are lots of decent cards under €100 that are leagues ahead of onboard.

Two that come to mind are the Xonar D2X, and the Auzentech Forte (more than €100, but pretty much only available second hand now, so should be ~100)

BloodBath

I don't see how they are better when there's virtually no hardware to them. Cheaper soundcards seem to be more about the software. I have THX TruStudio which lets me use creatives crystaliser at least. Adds some much needed depth to the onboard sound.

How much would something with a dedicated sound processor cost?

Serephucus

Depends on the card, but €100 should easily get you something. I know my Forte has an X-Fi chip, so I get all the creative goodies without the screwy drivers. The D2X as far as I know uses a rebadged CMI8788 chip (C-Media).

Sparks43

The system will have a Dual monitor setup
It will also be used as a platform to run the Os and application software on 2 other low spec pcs in the house so that is going to use quite a lot of Ram.

May play a few games of Pacman on it as well:pac:

Gumbi

Sparks43 wrote: »

The system will have a Dual monitor setup
It will also be used as a platform to run the Os and application software on 2 other low spec pcs in the house so that is going to use quite a lot of Ram.

May play a few games of Pacman on it as well:pac:

16 would be plenty for that.

Is there anything you're doing to justify a 7900 series card and an i7 processor?

Serephucus

You don't really need X79 for that either. Or a 1200W PSU.

Sparks43

Gumbi wrote: »

16 would be plenty for that.

Is there anything you're doing to justify a 7900 series card and an i7 processor?

People who drive cars dont need a Ferrari a renault does the same job.

Still nice to have the Ferrari though:pac:

I know its overkill and i did create a couple of other Builds that were between €1200 -€1500 but when it all came down to it this is the one my dad picked.

Also researching Ram disks that would put some of that extra ram to use.

marco_polo

Sparks43 wrote: »

People who drive cars dont need a Ferrari a renault does the same job.

Still nice to have the Ferrari though:pac:

I know its overkill and i did create a couple of other Builds that were between €1200 -€1500 but when it all came down to it this is the one my dad picked.

Also researching Ram disks that would put some of that extra ram to use.

But if the Ferrari and Renault had the same top speed for half the price they might pick the Renault.

It doesn't look like you can be convinced, but you'd be far better off banking some the savings suggested on this thread and putting it towards future upgrades rather than dropping the guts of 2K right now. You even mentioned Moores law on the first page yourself.

Eboggles

Sparks43 wrote: »

People who drive cars dont need a Ferrari a renault does the same job.

Still nice to have the Ferrari though:pac:

I know its overkill and i did create a couple of other Builds that were between €1200 -€1500 but when it all came down to it this is the one my dad picked.

Also researching Ram disks that would put some of that extra ram to use.

Seriously, there's absolutely no point in having a lot of that stuff; it's just a waste of money!

You won't see any improvement in day-to-day performance with a fast graphics card if you're not gaming.

So, all you're using it for is...?

Sparks43

Eboggles wrote: »

Seriously, there's absolutely no point in having a lot of that stuff; it's just a waste of money!

You won't see any improvement in day-to-day performance with a fast graphics card if you're not gaming.

So, all you're using it for is...?

Large scale Cock swinging

There ive admitted it:pac:

Serephucus

Fair points for admitting it. :P But you're also proving you have an inversely proportional brain by buying that. If you'd like to spend €2,000 on a machine, I'd be more than happy to help you spend it, I'd just hate to see it wasted (and that's what at lot of it is doing, make no mistake) rather than putting all of it into performance. Then you could legitimately swing away.

spix

BloodBath

If you really want to spend 2 grand I'd go with something like this.

Item|Price
Thermaltake Chaser MK-I, ohne Netzteil|€107.00
2 x BitFenix Spectre PRO 200mm Lüfter Blue LED - black|€37.70
Super-Flower SF800P14XE Golden Green 80plus gold Modular|€122.99
ASRock Z77 Extreme6, Sockel 1155, ATX|€144.89
Intel Core i7-3770K Box, LGA1155|€288.07
16GB-Kit Patriot Viper3 BLACK MAMBA, 1600MHZ, CL 9-9-9-24|€89.70
2 x Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950, 3GB GDDR5, PCI-Express|€540.44
Samsung SSD 840 Pro 256GB SATA 6Gb/s|€195.74
Seagate Barracuda 7200 2000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€81.89
LG BH16NS40 Blu-ray Brenner Retail|€74.39
LogiLink Wireless LAN 300 Mbps PCI Karte 802.11n 2T2R|€14.64
ASUS ROG Xonar Phoebus, PCIe|€168.83
Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme|€74.99
BitFenix Spectre PRO 120mm Lüfter Blue LED - black|€12.99
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1973.25

There's room for another 7950 but from the benchmarks I've seen the performance doesn't go up much from 2 to 3 as you will be cpu limited. The board and psu have connections for 3 though.

You could probably save over €100 on this ordering the same parts from mind factory. You could throw another 2TB drive in then for complete overkill.

Serephucus

You'd actually be better with a Titan there, rather than Crossfire.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_SLI/22.html

Sparks43

BloodBath wrote: »

If you really want to spend 2 grand I'd go with something like this.

Item|Price
Thermaltake Chaser MK-I, ohne Netzteil|€107.00
2 x BitFenix Spectre PRO 200mm Lüfter Blue LED - black|€37.70
Super-Flower SF800P14XE Golden Green 80plus gold Modular|€122.99
ASRock Z77 Extreme6, Sockel 1155, ATX|€144.89
Intel Core i7-3770K Box, LGA1155|€288.07
16GB-Kit Patriot Viper3 BLACK MAMBA, 1600MHZ, CL 9-9-9-24|€89.70
2 x Gigabyte Radeon HD 7950, 3GB GDDR5, PCI-Express|€540.44
Samsung SSD 840 Pro 256GB SATA 6Gb/s|€195.74
Seagate Barracuda 7200 2000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€81.89
LG BH16NS40 Blu-ray Brenner Retail|€74.39
LogiLink Wireless LAN 300 Mbps PCI Karte 802.11n 2T2R|€14.64
ASUS ROG Xonar Phoebus, PCIe|€168.83
Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme|€74.99
BitFenix Spectre PRO 120mm Lüfter Blue LED - black|€12.99
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1973.25

There's room for another 7950 but from the benchmarks I've seen the performance doesn't go up much from 2 to 3 as you will be cpu limited. The board and psu have connections for 3 though.

You could probably save over €100 on this ordering the same parts from mind factory. You could throw another 2TB drive in then for complete overkill.

Wouldnt go for the mobo tbh too little expansion slots also big news


Total price is now €1792.24 Not 2k

Im amazed tbh

For a pimped out machine with future expansion

BloodBath

Serephucus wrote: »

You'd actually be better with a Titan there, rather than Crossfire.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_Titan_SLI/22.html

€500 for 10% more performance isn't exactly good value. That's only at 1080p as well. Anything higher and the 7950's would pass it.

spix

BloodBath wrote: »

€500 for 10% more performance isn't exactly good value. That's only at 1080p as well. Anything higher and the 7950's would pass it.

If you're going to spend 2k you may as well do it in style and get a TITAN

Serephucus

Woops, brainfart, sorry. I was thinking the €540 figure was for one 7950, don't mind me...

BloodBath

Just realised that board wouldn't take that sound card either.