Wrestling is Fake Brigade.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I was out tonight with friends and pro wrestling came up in conversation when we were talking about MMA. I sat and listened to complete ignorance for about 7-8 minutes before I spoke. I heard the usual abusive comments made, it's fake:rolleyes: it doesn't really hurt when they fall, it's gay:rolleyes: it's entertainment for children etc. When I did speak I was completely dismissed by the group, these clowns don't know that their beloved MMA has roots in pro wrestling and they don't want to hear it either.

I'd love for Bob Holly to get in the ring with one of them and show just how fake pro wrestling is.

Kerplunk124

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZqo4OZ0Pqs

GTR63

Wrestling does hurt but due to the worked nature it doesn't seem as obvious as MMA is. Feckin hell some fights all you see is guys taking and holding each other down. It ain't always Rock n Sock him robots.

glenjamin

Piledrive one of them and break their neck. Then we'll see how fake it is. Huha!

DEFTLEFTHAND

glenjamin wrote: »

Piledrive one of them and break their neck. Then we'll see how fake it is. Huha!

They don't respect wrestling because they're totally ignorant to it. If one of these boyos were put in a piledriver position they'd scream and beg. I wouldn't have the move executed in a shoot form but I'd leave them hanging until they profess respect for the PW business.

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DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They don't respect wrestling because they're totally ignorant to it. If one of these boyos were put in a piledriver position they'd scream and beg. I wouldn't have the move executed in a shoot form but I'd leave them hanging until they profess respect for the PW business.

Pro wrestling is acting, is batman real too, because that's what you're saying, the actors are really their characters.

DEFTLEFTHAND

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Pro wrestling is acting, is batman real too, because that's what you're saying, the actors are really their characters.[/QUOT

Christ we know Pro wrestling has predetermined results and does involve story telling and characters. However it is nothing like you have seen in comic books and the like. It's not just acting it's getting get your ass beat 4 nights a week 300+ days a year. I suggest you join a PW class if you think that it's only acting.

leggo

I got asked about this last week and said, "You know, the same people who push this lazy line that's been peddled for the past 20 years, are generally the same people who'll sit on Facebook and Twitter every weekend complaining about X Factor, not realising that it's just as 'fake' as pro-wrestling."

People are ignorant and judgmental in general, pro-wrestling is just an excuse for them to be. They're not worth listening to, all you can do is realise the level of ignorance you're dealing with and feel better in the knowledge you know they're talking ****e.

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leggo wrote: »

I got asked about this last week and said, "You know, the same people who push this lazy line that's been peddled for the past 20 years, are generally the same people who'll sit on Facebook and Twitter every weekend complaining about X Factor, not realising that it's just as 'fake' as pro-wrestling."

People are ignorant and judgmental in general, pro-wrestling is just an excuse for them to be. They're not worth listening to, all you can do is realise the level of ignorance you're dealing with and feel better in the knowledge you know they're talking ****e.

Funniest post ever......

Canis Lupus

My understanding of pro wrestling is essentially entertainment for men. Do I accept effort/skill is required? Yes. Do I look at it as some kind of sport? No. Is it 'real'? No.

Personally I don't understand how adults like it but each to their own.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Canis Lupus wrote: »

My understanding of pro wrestling is essentially entertainment for men. Do I accept effort/skill is required? Yes. Do I look at it as some kind of sport? No. Is it 'real'? No.

Personally I don't understand how adults like it but each to their own.

The results are predetermined, it's not a competitive sport. It's a business which requires complete commitment and physical endurance, you need to research it if you want to fully understand it.

garhjw

And a lot of PEDs

lanarty94

Shut up wrestling is real

leggo

Best username ever wrote: »

Funniest post ever......

You're being a troll and using terrible logic in doing so. If you understood a word of what you were saying, you'd realise this and be a bit embarrassed.

But fine, I'll bite. I understand exactly how real/fake pro-wrestling was because I did it for nearly 5 years. Not in my backyard or anything, a few guys that I trained and performed with are now big names in WWE.

So is it pre-determined, are the results of the matches told to us beforehand and we enact them as instructed? Yes.

But was I 'acting' when injuries caused by pro-wrestling caused me to take about half an hour to get out of bed each morning to take a piss due to back pain (that I still suffer from a good 4-5 years later)? No. Doing so would be pointless and no doubt result in long-term bowel problems.

The reason I, and anyone who knows about pro-wrestling, laugh at people who dismiss it because it's 'fake' is because they're the one's that don't get it. Everyone above the age of 5-6 knows it's fake. You're not breaking any news. So being condescending/sarcastic while acting as if you are really makes you look a bit dim. Essentially the equivalent of your argument is as if someone said:

"I love the movie Pulp Fiction."
:rolleyes: "Emmm...you DO know that that was all scripted and none of that really happened, right?"
"...Yes I...do. I just said that it was a good movie. Are you alright?"

Do you see why it's a dumb argument now?

Ando's Saggy Bottom

I wouldn't even be arsed trying to defend PW to someone who wants to laugh at it, you're not going to change their minds and they're only trying to wind you up anyway. PW fans are a bit over sensitive to criticism anyway, large chunks of what we see on TV every week is cringe worthy in the extreme at the best of times!

DEFTLEFTHAND

Pete Campbell wrote: »

I wouldn't even be arsed trying to defend PW to someone who wants to laugh at it, you're not going to change their minds and they're only trying to wind you up anyway. PW fans are a bit over sensitive to criticism anyway, large chunks of what we see on TV every week is cringe worthy in the extreme at the best of times!

I know the current WWE product might be cringey but these people try to discredit the actual wrestler. They've no right mocking a business that they don't understand. I just don't like ignoramuses (Sandow :pac:) ****ting on the business we love.

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leggo wrote: »

You're being a troll and using terrible logic in doing so. If you understood a word of what you were saying, you'd realise this and be a bit embarrassed.

But fine, I'll bite. I understand exactly how real/fake pro-wrestling was because I did it for nearly 5 years. Not in my backyard or anything, a few guys that I trained and performed with are now big names in WWE.

So is it pre-determined, are the results of the matches told to us beforehand and we enact them as instructed? Yes.

But was I 'acting' when injuries caused by pro-wrestling caused me to take about half an hour to get out of bed each morning to take a piss due to back pain (that I still suffer from a good 4-5 years later)? No. Doing so would be pointless and no doubt result in long-term bowel problems.

The reason I, and anyone who knows about pro-wrestling, laugh at people who dismiss it because it's 'fake' is because they're the one's that don't get it. Everyone above the age of 5-6 knows it's fake. You're not breaking any news. So being condescending/sarcastic while acting as if you are really makes you look a bit dim. Essentially the equivalent of your argument is as if someone said:

"I love the movie Pulp Fiction."
:rolleyes: "Emmm...you DO know that that was all scripted and none of that really happened, right?"
"...Yes I...do. I just said that it was a good movie. Are you alright?"

Do you see why it's a dumb argument now?

I used to be a PW fan a few years back. I totally understand where you're coming from, your injuries are not fake but the outcome is etc.....

I would agree with the other poster that PW fans are overly sensitive and can't take criticism.

As for 'looking' dim. I'm far from it. I'm a highly qualified engineer. Just because I grew up and don't watch PW anymore doesn't make me any less intelligent.

garhjw

The "fake" argument can be put forward due to the widespread use of PEDs. It is rampant in the industry, even more so than in actual sports.

The performers couldn't do what they do if they weren't juiced up to the eyeballs.

Omackeral

garhjw wrote: »

The "fake" argument can be put forward due to the widespread use of PEDs. It is rampant in the industry, even more so than in actual sports.

The performers couldn't do what they do if they weren't juiced up to the eyeballs.

garhjw

Omackeral wrote: »

Ah ok, if he says so ;-)

leggo

Best username ever wrote: »

I used to be a PW fan a few years back. I totally understand where you're coming from, your injuries are not fake but the outcome is etc.....

I would agree with the other poster that PW fans are overly sensitive and can't take criticism.

As for 'looking' dim. I'm far from it. I'm a highly qualified engineer. Just because I grew up and don't watch PW anymore doesn't make me any less intelligent.

There's no 'criticism' to speak of, though. If you went into the movie forum and started trying to make fun of people because the stuff they enjoyed 'wasn't real', you'd be rightfully ridiculed (especially if you were as condescending as you were being before you calmed down and started telling me your CV). I'm sure you're quite good at Applied Maths and everything, but that doesn't mean you're incapable of making a totally idiotic argument. And right now that's exactly what you're doing. I'm merely highlighting your point for as stupid as it is by putting it into context. And saying, "HEY! I'm an engineer!" doesn't exactly answer the points raised...:pac:

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leggo wrote: »

There's no 'criticism' to speak of, though. If you went into the movie forum and started trying to make fun of people because the stuff they enjoyed 'wasn't real', you'd be rightfully ridiculed (especially if you were as condescending as you were being before you calmed down and started telling me your CV). I'm sure you're quite good at Applied Maths and everything, but that doesn't mean you're incapable of making a totally idiotic argument. And right now that's exactly what you're doing. I'm merely highlighting your point for as stupid as it is by putting it into context. And saying, "HEY! I'm an engineer!" doesn't exactly answer the points raised...:pac:

Not the point, I'm merely pointing out that it's the same as coronation street, Posters here need to take a chill pill when people point out that it's not actually a sport, instead of loosing the head and calling people trolls and other bullshít.

leggo

We know, though. Again, feel free to go into the movie forum and tell them it's scripted and see if it's pro-wrestling fans that are the problem, or just that people don't like being talked down to by someone pointing out the glaringly obvious.

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leggo wrote: »

We know, though. Again, feel free to go into the movie forum and tell them it's scripted and see if it's pro-wrestling fans that are the problem, or just that people don't like being talked down to by someone pointing out the glaringly obvious.

That's grand, this whole thread is about "wrestling is fake brigade" or am I mistaken?

Again just pointing out the obvious, any chill pills around the place?

leggo

garhjw wrote: »

The "fake" argument can be put forward due to the widespread use of PEDs. It is rampant in the industry, even more so than in actual sports.

The performers couldn't do what they do if they weren't juiced up to the eyeballs.

garhjw, if that is your real name, I couldn't help but notice via your post history that you're a fan of MMA and boxing. Are you aware that UFC President, Dana White, was in Trinity College just last week discussing the problem that MMA had in combatting PEDs? And that boxing's integrity has been ripped to shreds by the fixing of fights by dodgy promoters throughout the years?

And yet you're insulting pro-wrestling fans for liking fixed sports with PED problems. Ahem. :pac:

dlofnep

Been watching pro-wrestling for 25 years. It's fake.

What does "fake" mean? To me it means, non-competitive and scripted. Does it mean that people don't get hurt? Of course not - but every single move they do, they do so with the intention of hurting their partner as little as possible. Protecting their neck when powerslamming, allowing them the opportunity to break-fall properly, and so on.

Get over it, seriously. People are obsessed with this word "fake", without ever reaching a compromise on what the definition of it actually means. So what if it's fake? It's still entertaining, wrestlers are still athletic, they are still amusing... Who cares if it's fake?

Omackeral

Best username ever wrote: »

Not the point, I'm merely pointing out that it's the same as coronation street, Posters here need to take a chill pill when people point out that it's not actually a sport, instead of loosing the head and calling people trolls and other bullshít.

That.... eh.... that never happened.



Ever.

garhjw

leggo wrote: »

garhjw, if that is your real name, I couldn't help but notice via your post history that you're a fan of MMA and boxing. Are you aware that UFC President, Dana White, was in Trinity College just last week discussing the problem that MMA had in combatting PEDs? And that boxing's integrity has been ripped to shreds by the fixing of fights by dodgy promoters throughout the years?

And yet you're insulting pro-wrestling fans for liking fixed sports with PED problems. Ahem. :pac:

You are very aggressive in your defence of PW. You attack any comments which you don't agree with instead of accepting other peoples' points of view. I'm not insulting anyone, simply making statements of fact.

I stated that real sports also have issues with PEDs but it is nowhere near the level of abuse in PW which is just acting.

If you get this worked up over PW, I wonder how you react to things that really matter in the real world. I'm leaving this discussion now as it is going nowhere

Sirsok

Any time I have someone get onto me about liking wrestling i defend it by asking them can I chop them.... They kinda back off then but I turn as persistent as they originally where about their whole fake argument "sure if its fake why can't I chop you?" That line always catches them out

They will then pull up their top and ill pull back the hand and give them an unmercifull chop that will leave a big print....they will curl into a ball and ill laugh, as will the friends I've done this to previously who now know better ...

I prove my point, my friends get a laugh and the person learns a lesson everybody wins

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leggo wrote: »

You're being a troll

Omackeral wrote: »

That.... eh.... that never happened.



Ever.

Ahhemmmm!!!

Omackeral

Best username ever wrote: »

Ahhemmmm!!!

I was referring to people here 'throwing a hissy fit' when told it's not a sport. Nobody here believes it's a sport. Not one poster.

Oh, and I've got cough drops if you need them.

riffmongous

Sirsok wrote: »

Any time I have someone get onto me about liking wrestling i defend it by asking them can I chop them.... They kinda back off then but I turn as persistent as they originally where about their whole fake argument "sure if its fake why can't I chop you?" That line always catches them out

They will then pull up their top and ill pull back the hand and give them an unmercifull chop that will leave a big print....they will curl into a ball and ill laugh, as will the friends I've done this to previously who now know better ...

I prove my point, my friends get a laugh and the person learns a lesson everybody wins

Hehe, beautiful

lanarty94

For those who are not tough enough for ufc or boxing wrestling is ideal

Sirsok

lanarty94 wrote: »

For those who are not tough enough for ufc or boxing wrestling is ideal

Case in point josh Barnett and Brock lesnar ....wait

leggo

garhjw wrote: »

You are very aggressive in your defence of PW. You attack any comments which you don't agree with instead of accepting other peoples' points of view. I'm not insulting anyone, simply making statements of fact.

I stated that real sports also have issues with PEDs but it is nowhere near the level of abuse in PW which is just acting.

If you get this worked up over PW, I wonder how you react to things that really matter in the real world. I'm leaving this discussion now as it is going nowhere

I'm not aggressive at all man. Sorry if it came across that way, I thought that by using the :pac: smiley it would clarify that I was laughing at the points raised and taking the piss out of them. Apologies if you didn't pick up on that.

You made a point, I'm making a counterpoint: that it's hypocritical to slag fixed sports with PED problems if you're a boxing/MMA fan. I love both of those sports too, by the way (well...boxing notsomuch these days, but I respect it's heritage). I mean, isn't that how discussion boards work? You're claiming that I don't respect people's point of view but then get all uppity when someone disagrees with yours. While I don't necessarily respect your view, again I think it's dumb, I respect your right to argue it and am doing so by leaving you the opportunity to retort with a valid point.

I'm not insulting anyone either. I'm saying that the argument is stupid, not that you or anyone else is as a whole. Feel free to call my argument stupid and make a counterpoint, if you believe so and can. I won't hold it against you, promise.

With all of that clarified, let's get back to the matter at hand: would you like to answer what is wrong with liking a pre-determined form of entertainment with PED problems, while keeping in mind you're a boxing and MMA fan?

leggo

lanarty94 wrote: »

For those who are not tough enough for ufc or boxing wrestling is ideal

How many fights did it take pro-wrestler, Brock Lesnar, to win the UFC Heavyweight belt? I think it was a record... :pac:

lanarty94

Josh Barnett wouldnt last one minute in ufc

leggo

lanarty94 wrote: »

Josh Barnett wouldnt last one minute in ufc

He's a former UFC Heavyweight Champion?

Lads, let's call a spade a spade, this argument isn't going as you imagined it would, is it?

lanarty94

Wrestling is for wimps just leave it at that buddy

orestes

I don't have a problem with people saying wrestling is fake, it is fake, meh. I just don't get why some people take such smug glee in sticking the boot into wrestling fans as opposed to all other forms of entertainment. You don't like it, fair enough, but why go out of your way to wind people up and try to annoy them about something that makes no difference to you? Or are you trying to educate them about something that they actually know far more about than you do?

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orestes wrote: »

I don't have a problem with people saying wrestling is fake, it is fake, meh. I just don't get why some people take such smug glee in sticking the boot into wrestling fans as opposed to all other forms of entertainment. You don't like it, fair enough, but why go out of your way to wind people up and try to annoy them about something that makes no difference to you? Or are you trying to educate them about something that they actually know far more about than you do?

I have the same problem with the missus, I keep telling her that coronation street isn't real but she won't listen.

orestes

Best username ever wrote: »

I have the same problem with the missus, I keep telling her that coronation street isn't real but she won't listen.

This Kevin Webster thing must really be messing with her head so.

Mr.Nice Guy

'You like wrestling? You know it's fake?'

'You like Coronation Street? You know Ken and Deirdre are fake?'


I'm with dlofnep on this one. I don't really mind the 'fake' bashing. I've heard the likes of Lance Storm openly calling it fake. I think the reason a lot of wrestlers dislike it is because they feel it cheapens what they do. I think it stems from the days of the past when they had to work hard to present to the public that it was not choreographed. Those days are gone but I think wrestling can still be appreciated.

I'm a convert the other way. I used to be a kid that sneered at wrestling for being 'fake'. I was ignorant. Who cares if it is not a competitive sport? It can still be entertaining. Most art forms are created for your enjoyment. A pretty painting. An absorbing movie or computer game. A play. When done well these can be considered art forms and I would say the same about wrestling. Of course people differ on what constitutes art but my definition is a created work which has an emotional pull on you. Many wrestling fans feel that way when watching matches and if some people don't get that, fair enough. I think it's their loss. I don't feel that way necessarily about ballet but I'm sure ballet fans do and would say it's my loss. Probably true. Point is I don't choose to look down my nose at other art forms which don't appeal to my senses.

I think at the end of the day in order to enjoy wrestling you need to be able to suspend your disbelief. This shouldn't be a big deal. After all when you watch Stallone in the Rocky movies you shouldn't sit there telling yourself Balboa isn't real and Stallone is running in front of a cameraman. When you play Zelda you shouldn't remind yourself that you are watching pixels and a storyline conjured up by a guy in Japan. When you read LOTR you shouldn't tell yourself that hobbits are simply a figment of Tolkien's imagination. Why? Because you are spoiling it for yourself. Instead, allow yourself to get lost in the story. You'll enjoy it more that way.

This is what wrestling fans are able to do because we are not enraged by the notion that wrestlers are trying to deceive us with what happens in the ring. They're not; they're trying to entertain us.

So next time you watch wrestling look at it from that perspective. Appreciate the athleticism. Pay attention to the story they are trying to tell. Listen to the fans and how they respond to the ebb and flow of the action and who knows...you might find you like it.

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orestes wrote: »

This Kevin Webster thing must really be messing with her head so.

Even more so now that she thinks he has a double life.

Jester252

Anyone thats says Pro Wrestling has no real hits I just show them The Undertaker vs. Mankind hell in the cell

orestes

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

When you read LOTR you shouldn't tell yourself that hobbits are simply a figment of Tolkien's imagination. .

Hobbits are real dammit! Don't you try to ruin that for me too! :mad:

leggo

Best username ever wrote: »

I have the same problem with the missus, I keep telling her that coronation street isn't real but she won't listen.

10 Reasons Why Things That Are Real Are Often Sh!t:

1) The global financial crisis.
2) The fact that an asteroid could hit the earth at any stage and destroy us all.
3) Irish weather.
4) Man City are the Premier League Champions.
5) Getting headaches.
6) On a similar note to 5), trying to read lanary94's posts.
7) Ugh.
8) Internet trolls.
9) Engineers who are also trolls.
10) The fact that this guy exists:

So excuse us if we enjoy getting away from reality at times. Let's face it: reality is a bit of a pain at times. If you dislike things on the basis that they're not 'real'...then you're probably not much craic.

Now, just to clarify, that is not being aggressive. I'm having a laugh. To prove as much, here's some smilies: :rolleyes: :mad: :eek: :cool: :P :pac:

CianRyan

Sirsok wrote: »

Any time I have someone get onto me about liking wrestling i defend it by asking them can I chop them.... They kinda back off then but I turn as persistent as they originally where about their whole fake argument "sure if its fake why can't I chop you?" That line always catches them out

They will then pull up their top and ill pull back the hand and give them an unmercifull chop that will leave a big print....they will curl into a ball and ill laugh, as will the friends I've done this to previously who now know better ...

I prove my point, my friends get a laugh and the person learns a lesson everybody wins

Try this with a Muay Thai fighter and see how far you get before they kick you in the face.

Threatening to hit people won't win an argument, it just shows you can't back up an argument, no one wants to get hit.
Besides, it's not like they really got each other in PW, it would be akin to soft contact Karate if anything.


Also, don't hit people with chairs.

jaykhunter

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