The price of goods on Adverts???FTW???

Maragenie

I decided to start a debate in here rather than getting the abuse on Adverts, but it just me or are the prices for used parts, especially "graphic cards" way over the top on Adverts.ie?

I'm literally looking at 2nd hand goods marked up over the cost of buying them new online, it's so frustrating.

Random

the problem with adverts, in my experience, is that if you price something at the price you want or a little above you will have people offer crazy low amounts. if you price it too low or just right they will still want it lower. if you price it too high they will start quoting websites that you can get it on cheaper. you just cant win with some people.

i know thats the nature of negotiations etc though. adverts has improved somewhat in that the mods seem quicker to remove thread spoiling nonsense and the minimum offer thing is better now too.

uncle_sam_ie

So, make an offer on the item. If they don't take it screw'em. I see no problem in pricing stuff high. The price will settle to what people are willing to pay in the end. That's how the free market works.

Maragenie

Kind of a waste of time though don't you think?

I understand the point about people always trying to cut down the prices no matter what you set them at but c'mon, some of the adverts on there should be reported for extortion. 90% of the PC's for sale on there don't even add up to what people are looking for them brand new out of boxes.

Suppose they're preying on the innocent.

Squeaky the Squirrel

FTW?

HelpWithIT

Maragenie wrote: »

Kind of a waste of time though don't you think?

I understand the point about people always trying to cut down the prices no matter what you set them at but c'mon, some of the adverts on there should be reported for extortion. 90% of the PC's for sale on there don't even add up to what people are looking for them brand new out of boxes.

Suppose they're preying on the innocent.

If you want it .....pay for it (-;

PogMoThoin

Adverts is a terrible place. Once upon a time we had a forum to trade stuff, pc gear, graphics cards etc. Then they closed it and made adverts.....

Maragenie

HelpWithIT wrote: »

If you want it .....pay for it (-;

I don't have a problem paying for something but you're clearly missing the point I've brought up.

@Pog: Aye, I'd imagine it would of been a lot better for the buyer when they actually had a voice when it came giving something a more realistic value. On the other hand if you're dealing with a mentality like HelpWithIt then what's the point?

"if you want something pay more for it than it's worth brand new"

HelpWithIT

Maragenie wrote: »

I don't have a problem paying for something but you're clearly missing the point I've brought up.

@Pog: Aye, I'd imagine it would of been a lot better for the buyer when they actually had a voice when it came giving something a more realistic value. On the other hand if you're dealing with a mentality like HelpWithIt then what's the point?

"if you want something pay more for it than it's worth brand new"

You would make good politician!!! my statement had my statement had 7 words so if you are going to quote me.. at least do it right (-;

uncle_sam_ie

Maragenie wrote: »

"if you want something pay more for it than it's worth brand new"

No one is forcing you to pay anything. The onus is on you to find the best price of an item. In 2013 with the internet there is no excuse for not being able to find out what something is really worth. If someone comes along and pays for it at higher price then that's their fault for being lazy. I don't agree with your socialistic market price fixing ethics.

Now if someone lie's in their add and gives false info like including pirated software and saying it's legit, then that's wrong. They should be banned.

Maragenie

Dude it's just a good auld fashion rant, call it an Irish thing, remember when we used to complain?

I've made my point anyways, no point in going around in circles repeating myself either but you're entitled to your opinion. But if you seen Tesco over charging for a gone off pint of milk you complain too.

Gadgetman496

It's not just the price or indeed the sellers that should be discussed in this thread? Some of the buyers antics leave an awful lot to be desired too!

Maragenie

Name and shame my friend, I'll throw on the kettle and we can all have our fill.

BubbleBalls

When I need something I research it, decide on new or second hand, then decide the price I'm willing to pay.

That's my basis, regardless of what the asking price is.

Gadgetman496

BubbleBalls wrote: »

When I need something I research it, decide on new or second hand, then decide the price I'm willing to pay.

That's my basis, regardless of what the asking price is.

And that's a very reasonable approach and how it should be IMO.

When you don't like the price of an item in a bricks & mortar store you just put it back on the shelf & walk out the door.....

advertsfox

I've an iPad up for sale at the moment for a friend in work @ €399 (same price from Apple as it's BNIB, still in it's seal). Here's me thinking I'd get offers of €350+ - nope... 3 people telling me I can get it for €399 from Apple?! I fecking know that already, that's why it says "Make an offer". Had to report them as post deformation and the mods removed them. Quite surprised I got no "I'll give you €100 for it" or "swap you for a go kart" kinda offers yet.

advertsfox

advertsfox wrote: »

I've an iPad up for sale at the moment for a friend in work @ €399 (same price from Apple as it's BNIB, still in it's seal). Here's me thinking I'd get offers of €350+ - nope... 3 people telling me I can get it for €399 from Apple?! I fecking know that already, that's why it says "Make an offer". Had to report them as post deformation and the mods removed them. Quite surprised I got no "I'll give you €100 for it" or "swap you for a go kart" kinda offers yet.

Why would somebody offer €350+ when they can get it for €400 from Apple with full warranty? Probably cheaper if they use the student discount.

If someone wanted a sealed iPad the only reason they would buy from someone on adverts instead of Apple.com is to save money. And it would need to be a decent saving. You don't even mention what warranty period is left.

By asking the same price as Apple.com and not mentioning the warranty period you are already starting out on the wrong foot. So of course you're going to get those kind of replies.

advertsfox

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would somebody offer €350+ when they can get it for €400 from Apple with full warranty? Probably cheaper if they use the student discount.

Why would someone pay €350 when they can pay €400?? - Your kidding right? That question answers itself (it's €50 cheaper - 12.5% difference). Not everyone is a student either. Might as well say "use your Apple Employee discount". Also, warranty is on all products for 1 year that are purchased from new.

Deleted User wrote: »

If someone wanted a sealed iPad the only reason they would buy from someone on adverts instead of Apple.com is to save money. And it would need to be a decent saving. You don't even mention what warranty period is left. By asking the same price as Apple.com and not mentioning the warranty period you are already starting out on the wrong foot.

There's nothing wrong with the price of the iPad, it's perfectly reasonable to ask for the RRP with Best Offer esp. since a person could get it much cheaper than normal (my ad is listed €379 by the way). Not everyone is concerned with warranty either, some people are just happy to buy a product because it's brand new and to save money.

As above, warranty is by default automatically on all products for 1 year that are purchased from new. This is not the first time I've sold something on Adverts, not my first iPad either (I have sold 2 others). If a person doesn't know there is a warranty on an item, they could very easily ask but these users are going out of their way to point out that's it's X price on this website (and mods agree, that's why 2 posts were removed). I got a PM from my most recent commenter telling me it's only c. €329 from Viking Direct and he's correct - except he's try to trick me because that's before VAT is added (link) to total €404 pre-shipping.

Deleted User wrote: »

So of course you're going to get those kind of replies.

No it's not "of course". My gripe is the comments from other users who tell you that you can get it elsewhere for X amount and they only do that for 2 reasons:

1 - Trolling your advertisement
2 - Want the item you have for sale but for a lot less that what you are offering.

If it's €400 for Apple direct, then go buy it from Apple direct and stop spamming my ad. It's so commonplace nowadays, especially with Apple products. I gave a perfectly detailed ad (€5 premium paid as well) with clear pictures and I have 100% feedback from 48 users and I have who's sold over 67 items - what's the point in this system if "of course I'm going to get those kind of replies". It's bollox that's what it is and the mods know this, thankfully they're quick to act.

With no warranty you are not selling the same thing that Apple are selling for €399. Anybody buying from you would taking a risk by not having a warranty and the saving would need to be proportionate.

A realistic asking price would be €350 to allow for haggling. If you got an offer of €320-330 I would take it. Only a fool would pay more.

advertsfox

Deleted User wrote: »

With no warranty you are not selling the same thing that Apple are selling for €399. Anybody buying from you would taking a risk by not having a warranty and the saving would need to be proportionate..

Did you even read my post??

advertfox wrote:

As above, warranty is by default automatically on all products for 1 year that are purchased from new (this one expires February 22, 2014).

Deleted User wrote: »

A realistic asking price would be €350 to allow for haggling. If you got an offer of €320-330 I would take it. Only a fool would pay more.

The iPad is already up for €379 which is a very reasonable price with haggling permitted. Are you not realising it's identical to what you get from Apple?!

Maragenie

gadgetman496 wrote: »

And that's a very reasonable approach and how it should be IMO.

When you don't like the price of an item in a bricks & mortar store you just put it back on the shelf & walk out the door.....

Agreed, but I bet when you go home you'll share your experience with someone you know and give them a heads up on the store prices in general.

advertsfox

Maragenie wrote: »

Agreed, but I bet when you go home you'll share your experience with someone you know and give them a heads up on the store prices in general.

How do you mean? Would I advise someone I know to buy online on the likes of Adverts.ie for a reduced cost v.s Apple prices?

advertsfox

advertsfox wrote: »

The iPad is already up for €379 which is a very reasonable price with haggling permitted. Are you not realising it's identical to what you get from Apple?!

It's not identical.

When you buy from Apple you get a 1-year warranty and you have statutory consumer rights.

Yours has no warranty and the buyer gets no consumer rights. That makes it significantly less valuable. If you don't understand that then you're no different to the sellers that everybody is complaining about in this thread.

FSL

Originally Posted by advertfox
As above, warranty is by default automatically on all products for 1 year that are purchased from new (this one expires February 22, 2013).

That's only 4 days did you not mean 2014?

If not then there is no warranty as it likely it would take more than that time to accept a bid, receive payment, despatch the goods and have them received.

advertsfox

FSL wrote: »

Originally Posted by advertfox
As above, warranty is by default automatically on all products for 1 year that are purchased from new (this one expires February 22, 2013).

That's only 4 days did you not mean 2014?

If not then there is no warranty as it likely it would take more than that time to accept a bid, receive payment, despatch the goods and have them received.

Typo, I did mean 2014.

advertsfox

advertsfox wrote: »

Here's the result - Estimated Expiration Date: February 22, 2013

It DOES have a warranty.

That's Friday. The warranty is effectively expired.

maximoose

Maragenie wrote: »

I'm literally looking at 2nd hand goods marked up over the cost of buying them new online, it's so frustrating.

It's really not exclusive to computer parts, it's pretty much everything on adverts.

advertsfox

advertsfox wrote: »

See above, typo.

According to the serial number its not a typo:

advertsfox

Deleted User wrote: »

According to the serial number its not a typo:

Ok, slightly embarrassed - could have bet my life on it being 2014. Apologies.

Maragenie

Check out this advert for example lads.

http://www.adverts.ie/graphics-cards/brand-new-amd-hd-7970-3gb/2473526?notification=0c91037466a68357ec61be1f05dd5e0d-1361178418#comment_12833414

Absolute madness.

Gadgetman496

Things got so messy on Adverts even Solitaire opened up a new mini one HERE:

Overheal

Maragenie wrote: »

Check out this advert for example lads.

http://www.adverts.ie/graphics-cards/brand-new-amd-hd-7970-3gb/2473526?notification=0c91037466a68357ec61be1f05dd5e0d-1361178418#comment_12833414

Absolute madness.

Urge to kill.... ah deck it.

Polar Ice

Maragenie wrote: »

Check out this advert for example lads.

http://www.adverts.ie/graphics-cards/brand-new-amd-hd-7970-3gb/2473526?notification=0c91037466a68357ec61be1f05dd5e0d-1361178418#comment_12833414

Absolute madness.

Reasonable offer?
>No
More information
>No
Do you want to sell what you've got?
>No

ben101

Regarding the Ipad ,selling an item on can void a warranty in a lot of cases ,it's in the T&C's in the small print of many goods,buyer beware.As the 12 months on the ipad is up i would expect a massive discount on the price he was looking for taking into consideration how expensive Apple repairs are.On the ADVERT.IE thing ,yes its absolutely bonkers,i saw a toy train at xmas on it FOR 70 euros ,35 euros on Amazon?!?!?
At the same token i had a gaming mouse worth about 70 euro's BNIB for sale ,asked 45,got offered a gaming card worth not much more than 20 euros :eek:

Maragenie

And we have a winner folks...

http://www.adverts.ie/desktops/fantastic-computer-for-sale-cancelled-order-will-sell-cost-price/2775108


Could be the most insane advert I've ever read in my life, that said the case is supposed to have exceptional cooling and she's running off some integrated Intel HD3000 Graphics.

HelpWithIT

Maragenie wrote: »

And we have a winner folks...

http://www.adverts.ie/desktops/fantastic-computer-for-sale-cancelled-order-will-sell-cost-price/2775108


Could be the most insane advert I've ever read in my life, that said the case is supposed to have exceptional cooling and she's running off some integrated Intel HD3000 Graphics.

And why no you said that?
I know the one that's selling this brand new machine and as I am a reseller of all major brands know offer a 1 year warranty with all the people systems that I sell.. This machine was offered from me by a stock trading company who have gone into liquidation.. that's why I am selling it at cost price, as I buy from wholesalers who don't sell to the public but only to people in the trade.. I have the original wholesale receipts for anyone who wants to see them.. your original thread is supposed to be about used items for sale.. This is brand new out of the box so I don't appreciate your kneejerk comments

ben101

HelpWithIT wrote: »

And why no you said that?

Maragenie said it because you are a rip off
http://www.buytronic.co.uk/antec-i7-34ghz-qc-8gb-ram-1tb-hdd-no-os-p-3427.html
Looks very similar,no?
That's more than300 euro's cheaper than your price,warranty or no that's just a crazy mark up.

ahnowbrowncow

HelpWithIT wrote: »

And why no you said that?
I know the one that's selling this brand new machine and as I am a reseller of all major brands know offer a 1 year warranty with all the people systems that I sell.. This machine was offered from me by a stock trading company who have gone into liquidation.. that's why I am selling it at cost price, as I buy from wholesalers who don't sell to the public but only to people in the trade.. I have the original wholesale receipts for anyone who wants to see them.. your original thread is supposed to be about used items for sale.. This is brand new out of the box so I don't appreciate your kneejerk comments

Doesn't look brand new to me, looks 100% used.

HelpWithIT

ben101 wrote: »

Maragenie said it because you are a rip off
http://www.buytronic.co.uk/antec-i7-34ghz-qc-8gb-ram-1tb-hdd-no-os-p-3427.html
Looks very similar,no?
That's more than300 euro's cheaper than your price,warranty or no that's just a crazy mark up.

Perhaps if you took the time to read the ad and properly compare to the UK link you just posted., add Windows 7 professional Operating System and it costs £115 sterling.. then add extra 1tb Sata Hard Drive and that works out at £65 sterling..+ Irish Vat rate is 23% compared to UK vat rate of 20%.. I the goods wholesale from MB technology and the price I'm charging is the wholesale price that I paid for the parts.. so ill expect you to acknowledge the fact that you were wrong and regards the last comment about "it looks old to me" get a life

foggy_lad

HelpWithIT wrote: »

Perhaps if you took the time to read the ad and properly compare to the UK link you just posted., add Windows 7 professional Operating System and it costs £115 sterling.. then add extra 1tb Sata Hard Drive and that works out at £65 sterling..+ Irish Vat rate is 23% compared to UK vat rate of 20%.. I the goods wholesale from MB technology and the price I'm charging is the wholesale price that I paid for the parts.. so ill expect you to acknowledge the fact that you were wrong and regards the last comment about "it looks old to me" get a life

So you have bought these to sell them specifically for profit and that makes you a commercial seller on adverts.ie

Have you contacted adverts about opening a shop account?

HelpWithIT

foggy_lad wrote: »

So you have bought these to sell them specifically for profit and that makes you a commercial seller on adverts.ie

Have you contacted adverts about opening a shop account?

Just to satisfy your curiosity and seeing as you0 have also failed to read the post properly!!! A stock broker had ordered this machine from me and I had to install operating system and drivers etc.. it was to output to 4 monitors for trading.. within three weeks of ordering and having received no deposit on hardware, I found out they were going bust.. I know now selling this machine at the wholesale price that I paid for it.. pics will be posted on adverts later on of invoice with original prices and vat amount.. it's not the commenters fault.. Every walk of life has its muppets

HelpWithIT

HelpWithIT wrote: »

Just to satisfy your curiosity and seeing as you0 have also failed to read the post properly!!! A stock broker had ordered this machine from me and I had to install operating system and drivers etc.. it was to output to 4 monitors for trading.. within three weeks of ordering and having received no deposit on hardware, I found out they were going bust.. I know now selling this machine at the wholesale price that I paid for it.. pics will be posted on adverts later on of invoice with original prices and vat amount.. it's not the commenters fault.. Every walk of life has its muppets

For the little Mrs Doubtfires on here.. invoice pic is now on adverts..any more derogatory comments about my business acumen and integrity will be reported and followed up..

maki

HelpWithIT wrote: »

For the little Mrs Doubtfires on here.. invoice pic is now on adverts..any more derogatory comments about my business acumen and integrity will be reported and followed up..

Looking at that invoice, you got ripped off.
You can get the exact same machine for €850 pre-built and delivered from HWVS. So much for wholesale prices...

Even if you paid that much, you're still selling it for more, which is profiteering.

uncle_sam_ie

If you were honest you would have built the customer a cheaper and better PC more suited to his or her needs. It's a total rip off at that price. We know it and so do you.

HelpWithIT

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

Iere honest you would have built the customer a cheaper and better PC more suited to his or her needs. It's a total rip off at that pricbe. We know it and so do you.

That was the exact computer the customer wanted along with firepro graphics card outputting to 4 monitors., why would I supply a machine that he didn't want? Don't be ridiculous

HelpWithIT

maki wrote: »

Looking at that invoice, you got ripped off.
You can get the exact same machine for €850 pre-built and delivered from HWVS. So much for wholesale prices...

Even if you paid that much, you're still selling it for more, which is profiteering.

Do me a favour and borrow a calculator.. add up the system cost + windows 7 + extra 1TB hard drive + keyboard.. only items missing are mouse and delivery.. it adds up to the exact price quoted.. muppets

HelpWithIT

maki wrote: »

Looking at that invoice, you got ripped off.
You can get the exact same machine for €850 pre-built and delivered from HWVS. So much for wholesale prices...

Even if you paid that much, you're still selling it for more, which is profiteering.

Can you paste the link from HWVS for that machine as I can't find it?

uncle_sam_ie

HelpWithIT wrote: »

That was the exact computer the customer wanted along with firepro graphics card outputting to 4 monitors., why would I supply a machine that he didn't want? Don't be ridiculous

Because, your suppose to be the "expert" that advises the customer. Great advise, an overpriced PC with an unlocked 2600k paired to an Asrock H61M/U3S3 motherboard. :rolleyes:

mfceiling

A couple of years ago i wanted to sell a new iphone 3gs....still in the plastic, unwanted upgrade.

Got an invoice with it saying Cost Price €500...Customer Discount €500...Total cost €0.

Put it for sale at €320.

Got offered €100.....seriously

Korvanica

Item|Price
Intel Core i7-2600K Box, LGA1155|€265.82
8GB G.Skill PC3-10667U CL9|€43.55
2 x HGST DESKSTAR 7K1000.C 1TB, 32MB, SAT|€126.82
Cooler Master GX Lite Series PSU, 700 Watt|€65.73
LG CH10LS Blu-Ray ROM Bulk|€59.90
ASRock H61M-DG3/USB3, Sockel 1155, mATX|€45.14
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit (SB-Version)|€120.32
Antec Three Hundred, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€52.04
Tt eSports Challenger Pro Gaming Keyboad|€49.90
Rechner - Zusammenbau|€20.00
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€868.21

Could have messed up as I just fired the closest I could find in, but its pretty close... That Motherboard is questionable ...
And I added a €50 keyboard. :cool:

Its also brand new.

uncle_sam_ie

Korvanica wrote: »

Item|Price
Intel Core i7-2600K Box, LGA1155|€265.82
8GB G.Skill PC3-10667U CL9|€43.55
2 x HGST DESKSTAR 7K1000.C 1TB, 32MB, SAT|€126.82
Cooler Master GX Lite Series PSU, 700 Watt|€65.73
LG CH10LS Blu-Ray ROM Bulk|€59.90
ASRock H61M-DG3/USB3, Sockel 1155, mATX|€45.14
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-Bit (SB-Version)|€120.32
Antec Three Hundred, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€52.04
Tt eSports Challenger Pro Gaming Keyboad|€49.90
Rechner - Zusammenbau|€20.00
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€868.21

Could have messed up as I just fired the closest I could find in, but its pretty close... That Motherboard is questionable ...
And I added a €50 keyboard. :cool:

Its also brand new.

Yeah, but what PSU is he using though? I bet it's worth no more than 20 euros.