Alfa Romeo Brera 2.4 JTDM SV 3DR

the culture of deference

Anyone here ever owned a Brera. Any major issues. I am looking at importing a low mileage 2008 or 2009 model to keep for a year and then sell on. Would there be any market here for it. Co2 is 179gm.

I am looking for a Blue one with the cream leather interior.







VRT https://www.ros.ie/evrt-enquiry/vrtenquiry.html?execution=e1s3

Alfa Quadrifoglio

Have had the saloon version of the Brera an Alfa Romeo 159 2.2 JTS bought new in 07. Six years later the only fault has been a timing chain prematurely needing replacing at 60k, otherwise faultless. The diesel version of the Brera/159 have a timing belt so should be an issue.

the culture of deference

Alfa Quadrifoglio wrote: »

Have had the saloon version of the Brera an Alfa Romeo 159 2.2 JTS bought new in 07. Six years later the only fault has been a timing chain prematurely needing replacing at 60k, otherwise faultless. The diesel version of the Brera/159 have a timing belt so should be an issue.

Yours is the petrol. Lovely looking car. There is lots of conflicting advice about the 159 diesel 1.9 engine, that it needs timing belt done at 36,000 but that it's the water pump that's the weak part. That engine is in plenty of other cars.

The one I am looking at is the 2.4 diesel.

discombobulate

Looking at importing the same. Beautiful cars and very low number of them here so importing looks the only option. This would be my dream one at the moment if it was newer with lower mileage

The Pontiac

the culture of deference wrote: »

Would there be any market here for it. Co2 is 179gm.

I'd imagine there would, definitely. Beautiful cars and they're not exactly everywhere here.

166man

OP, the 2.4 is a savage engine and respond well to a remap, however that blue on that car you linked is pure Gack...

Go for a nice black with 18's and beige interior. :cool:

Lex Luthor

166man wrote: »

OP, the 2.4 is a savage engine and respond well to a remap, however that blue on that car you linked is pure Gack...

Go for a nice black with 18's and beige interior. :cool:

+10

testicle

The 2.4 isn't very economical, there's also a 2.0 that arrived in 2010

Redsoxfan

testicle wrote: »

The 2.4 isn't very economical, there's also a 2.0 that arrived in 2010

+1 on the 2.4, especilally without the remap and DPF delete. You'll struggle to get 35mpg, which really calls into question buying a JTD in the first place IMHO.

I never even knew that the Brera was sold with the 2.0JTDm, but there you go. It's a nice engine, but I see that it's as rare as hens teeth.

OP - if you will really need/want to sell this car on within a year of buying, prepare to take a big hit - these cars are very hard to shift. I'd buy one myself, but I wouldn't be planning on selling it anytime soon.

discombobulate

Redsoxfan wrote: »

+1 on the 2.4, especilally without the remap and DPF delete. You'll struggle to get 35mpg, which really calls into question buying a JTD in the first place IMHO.

I never even knew that the Brera was sold with the 2.0JTDm, but there you go. It's a nice engine, but I see that it's as rare as hens teeth.

OP - if you will really need/want to sell this car on within a year of buying, prepare to take a big hit - these cars are very hard to shift. I'd buy one myself, but I wouldn't be planning on selling it anytime soon.

The 2.4 would be the best engine to get in it for resale. The 2.2 petrol has 30bhp less and averages over 10mpg less.

DPF removal and mapping sounds the way forward with them though and most people seem to get over 40mpg by doing it in addition to +30 - 40bhp and greater reliability bringing it close to the power of the 3.2 V6 with double the mpg.

Not so sure on whether anyone in Ireland would have experience on carrying this out for a Brera though.

I don't agree that you'd lose a shed load of money it but it would potentially be harder to sell. Anyone that does want one though would be happy to pay a decent price for a low mileage well looked after example instead of the hassle of importing.

What i've found is that the price their going for in the UK hasn't on an 08 changed much in 2 years so after their initial quick drop in depreciation they seem to hang on well.

Also timing belt is recommended after 4-5 years so factor that into the price regardless of mileage.

I'd agree with others about the colour too especially if you want to sell it on in a year. Black, red or grey are the colours i'd be looking at.

meoklmrk91

The brera really is one of the prettiest cars I think I've ever seen, it's just beautiful. However that colour ruins it's good looks, makes it like a fancy 206.

166man

Redsoxfan wrote: »

+1 on the 2.4, especilally without the remap and DPF delete. You'll struggle to get 35mpg, which really calls into question buying a JTD in the first place IMHO.

I never even knew that the Brera was sold with the 2.0JTDm, but there you go. It's a nice engine, but I see that it's as rare as hens teeth.

OP - if you will really need/want to sell this car on within a year of buying, prepare to take a big hit - these cars are very hard to shift. I'd buy one myself, but I wouldn't be planning on selling it anytime soon.

When the Brera first came out, Dad got a hold of a 2.4JTDm one similar to the one the OP is looking at. On a spin down to Kerry the car according to the OBC was doing 42mpg. Calculating it the old way it was doing 41mpg.

Tbf this car was completely stock but still had circa 200bhp and plenty of torque. Anyone buying the Brera should really have this engine, would never consider it in the Spider though for obvious reasons.

Interceptor

Drove one across Italy last year and loved it. The 2.4 diesel is very refined and has acres of power. Definitely get a black one with tan leather.

'c

Redsoxfan

166man wrote: »

When the Brera first came out, Dad got a hold of a 2.4JTDm one similar to the one the OP is looking at. On a spin down to Kerry the car according to the OBC was doing 42mpg. Calculating it the old way it was doing 41mpg.

I won't argue with that, but any discussion I've seen by owners and regular mileage (and not just on a relatively long run) suggests that the fuel economy is pretty poor. YMMV of course

I came very close to buying one (a 2.4) for a very good price last year, but was beaten to the punch.

Redsoxfan

discombobulate wrote:

I don't agree that you'd lose a shed load of money it but it would potentially be harder to sell. Anyone that does want one though would be happy to pay a decent price for a low mileage well looked after example instead of the hassle of importing.

My comment was related to the fact that the OP seems to want to sell on in a year - if they can afford to wait until they find the right buyer, then no, perhaps there won't be any 'loss'. I did witness someone trying to sell a 2.4 Brera last year and the price went so low I went for it myself as it was too good a price to turn down - I was however too late at that point.

discombobulate wrote: »

Not so sure on whether anyone in Ireland would have experience on carrying this out for a Brera though.

If the OP is going to the UK to buy, a quick detour to Alfatune in St Helens (which isn't that far from Liverpool or Birkenhead ferry ports) would be a good idea. The place/fella in questions comes highly recommended over on Alfaowner.

discombobulate

Redsoxfan wrote: »

My comment was related to the fact that the OP seems to want to sell on in a year - if they can afford to wait until they find the right buyer, then no, perhaps there won't be any 'loss'. I did witness someone trying to sell a 2.4 Brera last year and the price went so low I went for it myself as it was too good a price to turn down - I was however too late at that point.


If the OP is going to the UK to buy, a quick detour to Alfatune in St Helens (which isn't that far from Liverpool or Birkenhead ferry ports) would be a good idea. The place/fella in questions comes highly recommended over on Alfaowner.

Was that the 07 one that went for €10k the beginning of last year on Alfaowner? That was serious value and was snapped up straight away. He was going to Oz and needed to get rid of asap as far as i remember? I agree with you on keeping for a year and trying to get rid quickly. Any high engined car is going to be hard to get a good price if your restricted on time.

There was an 06 up a couple of weeks ago for just under 9k with 85,000 miles. Don't know what it went for after though.

Redsoxfan

discombobulate wrote: »

Was that the 07 one that went for €10k the beginning of last year on Alfaowner? That was serious value and was snapped up straight away. He was going to Oz and needed to get rid of asap as far as i remember?

It went for less than €10,000 as far as I know - I only became interested at a certain price, as I would have needed to sell my GT to buy it. The original asking price was nearly twice as high as the final price if my memory is correct - although the fella was in a hurry to sell it, it didn't really start getting interest until the price dropped. Low mileage, well looked after....bargain.

discombobulate

Redsoxfan wrote: »

It went for less than €10,000 as far as I know - I only became interested at a certain price, as I would have needed to sell my GT to buy it. The original asking price was nearly twice as high as the final price if my memory is correct - although the fella was in a hurry to sell it, it didn't really start getting interest until the price dropped. Low mileage, well looked after....bargain.

Did a search there. Went for the 10k according to the seller here

In fairness he was dreaming wanting 18k originally. There were quite a few people willing to bite his arm off for it at the 10k though.

Do you still have the GT then? Driving one myself but just have an itch that won't go away to get a Brera

the culture of deference

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I would be going for an 08 in this blue, I don't want a black one. They are lovely in black.



This interior would do fine as well as the cream




I would like to keep it for a year and see if I fancied something else after that.

The VRT will be 3,500 on top of anything else. The cars are about 10k Stg

galwaytt

166man wrote: »

OP, the 2.4 is a savage engine and respond well to a remap, however that blue on that car you linked is pure Gack...

Go for a nice black with 18's and beige interior. :cool:

Oh puhleez, that colour is lovely. As is the blue posted.
Black ? God help us. If you want a meh colour.....keep it for a meh car. And thats not a Brera btw....

If you have the imagination to buy a Brera do it right and bring your imagination to the colour as well.

The Pontiac

galwaytt wrote: »

Oh puhleez, that colour is lovely. As is the blue posted.
Black ? God help us. If you want a meh colour.....keep it for a meh car. And thats not a Brera btw....

If you have the imagination to buy a Brera do it right and bring your imagination to the colour as well.

Imagination? God love us. I'd love to be in the blue imaginative world of yours. meh. lol

discombobulate

the culture of deference wrote: »

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I would be going for an 08 in this blue, I don't want a black one. They are lovely in black.



This interior would do fine as well as the cream




I would like to keep it for a year and see if I fancied something else after that.

The VRT will be 3,500 on top of anything else. The cars are about 10k Stg

Much prefer that blue to the other one. You obviously wouldn't be in too much of a rush to sell then at the end of the year so could hang on for a decent price.

Heres a little table i've put together based on what it looks to buy one and then the VRT and total price all in euro's from my research over the last couple of months excluding travel, AA check etc. after knocking a little off dealer prices. VRT has gone down a little since.

Interestingly also going through old threads on alfaowner there were 08's going for between 8-10k sterling 2 years ago so seem to be holding value well over there.

Year €Cost €VRT €Total
2009 13500 4795 18295
2008 10700 3632 14332
2007 9300 2760 12060

galwaytt

the culture of deference wrote: »

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That's an automatic in the interior shot - are the diesels available in automatic?

166man

galwaytt wrote: »

That's an automatic in the interior shot - are the diesels available in automatic?

The diesels are available in automatic.


however the original blue Brera posted is horiffic but the above blue is gorgeous. Grey suits it very well too.

Dark red would be nice also, but not sure if it ever came in that colour.

The Pontiac

166man wrote: »

The diesels are available in automatic.


however the original blue Brera posted is horiffic but the above blue is gorgeous. Grey suits it very well too.

Dark red would be nice also, but not sure if it ever came in that colour.

Yeah it's dreadful!

discombobulate

galwaytt wrote: »

That's an automatic in the interior shot - are the diesels available in automatic?

Yes but only 1 out of 53 on Autotrader is automatic so very rare by the looks of it. That interior and the cream interior are also very rare from what i've seen

discombobulate

166man wrote: »

Dark red would be nice also, but not sure if it ever came in that colour.

Don't think so. Looks great in alfa red with good alloys. This 2.2 JTS on Carzone is lovely (overpriced though). Been up there for months

I don't know where he got the €58995 original price from either!

the culture of deference

galwaytt wrote: »

That's an automatic in the interior shot - are the diesels available in automatic?

That was a pic of the 3.2 V6, but the VRT and tax are too high, the V6 comes with a Torsen four-wheel drive system

There is a rare 2.4 JTDM (200 PS) Q-Tronic

and this is the rarest oneBrera S


Brera S


In Spring 2008 the Brera 'S' Special Edition was announced. This Alfa Romeo-approved British-only limited-run version was developed by British engineering specialists Prodrive and was intended to address criticism regarding the handling of the standard car.[9] Selected suspension and chassis components and settings of the 'S' have been amended from the standard car, altering the handling characteristics.[10] Alfa Romeo and Prodrive had previously collaborated in motorsport, campaigning an Alfa Romeo 155 in the BTCC during 1994 and 1995.[11]

Donnelly117

In 09 they launched a 2.0 JTD and a 1.75 litre turbo petrol I think. I dont think Ive ever seen a 1750 for sale here though. It has 200 bhp which puts it up with the older 2.4 and only 10 bhp lower then the 07 and later 2.4

the culture of deference

Donnelly117 wrote: »

In 09 they launched a 2.0 JTD and a 1.75 litre turbo petrol I think. I dont think Ive ever seen a 1750 for sale here though. It has 200 bhp which puts it up with the older 2.4 and only 10 bhp lower then the 07 and later 2.4

There is a 2007 brera (spyder version) for sale on done deal but the garage is unsure of when the car was last taxed or serviced, the book has 1 stamp apparantley

discombobulate

the culture of deference wrote: »

There is a 2007 brera (spyder version) for sale on done deal but the garage is unsure of when the car was last taxed or serviced, the book has 1 stamp apparantley

Doesn't sound like it was taken care of too well then! That the gold one? Not a fan of the colour at all. Wouldn't mind the tax as you'd only have to pay from purchase time but it could have went long periods without being serviced or else just done on the cheap.

It also has its NCT up in just over a month. You'd think they'd put a fresh one on it to look more appealing

Their also the 17 inch wheels on it from I can tell and not 18 as they state.

the culture of deference

discombobulate wrote: »

Doesn't sound like it was taken care of too well then! That the gold one? Not a fan of the colour at all. Wouldn't mind the tax as you'd only have to pay from purchase time but it could have went long periods without being serviced or else just done on the cheap.

It also has its NCT up in just over a month. You'd think they'd put a fresh one on it to look more appealing

Their also the 17 inch wheels on it from I can tell and not 18 as they state.

Yea the gold one. Salesman wasn't helpful. I wanted to know how long the car has been untaxed and sitting around a forecourt. One stamp in the book in 6 years. It's just not good enough.

discombobulate

the culture of deference wrote: »

Yea the gold one. Salesman wasn't helpful. I wanted to know how long the car has been untaxed and sitting around a forecourt. One stamp in the book in 6 years. It's just not good enough.

Thats been onsale for at least 6 months I think from what I can remember (could be longer). He'll be lucky to get half his asking price with a history like that!

Donnelly117

That car has been up for sale for months. I remember seeing it around september IIRC. Very rare all the same... I've never seen another one.

166man

We had that car on test when it first came out. Had it for about a week or so from whatever Garage was selling it at the time. Nice motor but it's just awful to see such a nice car being treated to one stamp in the book after 6 years. The Colour works quite well in real life too tbh.

Unhelpful salesmen always piss me off too. The have one job to do, so at least look after someone who's enquiring about the car you have for sale.

the culture of deference

166man wrote: »

Unhelpful salesmen always piss me off too. The have one job to do, so at least look after someone who's enquiring about the car you have for sale.

Yea thats what I cannot understand.

How hard is it to know the details of the car you are selling. And please do not say a 5 or 6 year old car has FDSH when it has one service.

versc

Does anyone know of any Diesel 2.4 Brera's for sale in Ireland at the moment. There is a serious lack of them out there!