Horoscopes - are they ever true?

ilovesleep

I read my horoscope from the sunday paper every week but I don't put any faith in it at all.

Anyways on Monday I received a message from someone. Things were very conflicted between us for ages. He treated me like dirt. He was an insincere, gutless, coward handicappied with lies and finding humour in stirring with womens emotions and leaving them hanging with excuses.

In time I turned sour to him and I was foul.

The strange thing is that despite all this the only thing I want is some peace between us, not that things will ever go back to before. But he doesn't even have the guts to tell me why he lied.

So back to the horoscope thing. I clicked on a horoscope app on my ipod and read my weekly horoscope on wednesday and the start read something like this:

a reconilation is on the cards for monday with a foe. Someone wants to make amends...

I find it bizarre. That's all. Now I don't know if I should put any weight in the horoscope & into the message I received earlier in the week.

rgmmg

Only when you want them to be true

SunnyDub1

I think it was just a coincidence to be honest!

wp_rathead

no

ColeTrain

"Today you will find your true love"
Must be kinda shi*e reading that stuck in prison.

ScumLord

Of course they can be right for someone at some stage. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Unless it's digital, then it's just broken.

kylith

They're only ever right by accident. Do you really think that every single person who shares your starsign (about a twelfth of the population) is going to make amends with someone this week?

petes

ilovesleep wrote: »

So back to the horoscope thing. I clicked on a horoscope app on my ipod and read my weekly horoscope on wednesday and the start read something like this:

a reconilation is on the cards for monday with a foe. Someone wants to make amends...

I find it bizarre. That's all. Now I don't know if I should put any weight in the horoscope & into the message I received earlier in the week.

Wait so the message was before the horoscope? I don't think that's how they are supposed to work!

--Kaiser--

I feel sorry for people who think some vague statements from a hack who has never met them could possibly predict their future

Welruc

My neighbor spends a small fortune each day ringing them up, spends the rest of the day worrying about what was said or looking forward to something that normally never happens.

Of course the odd day when something happens that's even remotely related to what she was told she is over the moon.

Jimoslimos

NSFW **Some strong language**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwjvhnIg60o

Jester252

I predict that people will find love in this thread and old foes will become friends. Also the 50th person to thank my post will have reduced money problems

ScumLord

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

I feel sorry for people who think some vague statements from a hack who has never met them could possibly predict their future

We all put faith in bankers and economists and haven't the first clue how they work. Same goes for a lot of things. We don't have the first clue how it works (computers) but we trust the experts to take care of us.

It's not at all unusual people put their faith in other people to look after them. It's something we're used to doing. I think dead down people wouldn't really put much faith in these things and it's purely a form of entertainment that they buy into to.

aidan24326

ilovesleep wrote: »

I find it bizarre. That's all. Now I don't know if I should put any weight in the horoscope & into the message I received earlier in the week.

There's nothing bizarre about it whatsoever. Horoscopes are deliberately written in a vague way such that whatever is said will have to apply to somebody somewhere.

How many thousands of people who share your starsign read that and saw nothing in it? How many times have you read your starsign and saw nothing in it? As Carl Sagan once said, people remember the hits and forget the misses. In short, it's meaningless twaddle usually written by whoever in the office has nothing better to be doing (or sometimes by an actual astrologer, who are just spoofers).

Penn

ilovesleep wrote: »

I read my horoscope from the sunday paper every week but I don't put any faith in it at all.

Anyways on Monday I received a message from someone. Things were very conflicted between us for ages. He treated me like dirt. He was an insincere, gutless, coward handicappied with lies and finding humour in stirring with womens emotions and leaving them hanging with excuses.

In time I turned sour to him and I was foul.

The strange thing is that despite all this the only thing I want is some peace between us, not that things will ever go back to before. But he doesn't even have the guts to tell me why he lied.

So back to the horoscope thing. I clicked on a horoscope app on my ipod and read my weekly horoscope on wednesday and the start read something like this:

a reconilation is on the cards for monday with a foe. Someone wants to make amends...

I find it bizarre. That's all. Now I don't know if I should put any weight in the horoscope & into the message I received earlier in the week.

But think about it; 1/12th of all the people in the world have the same starsign as you. That means if horoscopes were true, over half a billion people, in the world, would have made amends with someone on Monday.

Horoscopes will always be true... to someone. And they'll be completely wrong for almost everybody else. And for the person it was true for, it probably won't be true again for another year (depending on how general the "psychic" writes their horoscopes)

--Kaiser--

ScumLord wrote: »

We all put faith in bankers and economists and haven't the first clue how they work. Same goes for a lot of things. We don't have the first clue how it works (computers) but we trust the experts to take care of us.

Speak for yourself as I know *something* about those subjects. And remember what you're comparing these things to

iDave

Get 2 horoscope pages from 2 completely seperate publications and see if they're the same.

sbsquarepants

It's a numbers game - there are 12 star signs so each one covers roughly 8 - 9% of the population, so roughly 600 - 700 million people globally. They're always quite vague -you'll see a face from the past, or you'll meet a dark haired woman.
Out of any 700 million people, at least half will meet a dark haired woman in the next few hours, never mind the next few days or weeks!
So yes, they are usually accurate but only because of their vague nature.
I often wonder if the ones writing the horoscopes actually believe the crap they write, or is it purely a small scale con job.
Mystic meg, if you're reading this PM please.

sbsquarepants

ScumLord wrote: »

We all put faith in bankers and economists and haven't the first clue how they work. Same goes for a lot of things. We don't have the first clue how it works (computers) but we trust the experts to take care of us.
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Definition of an economist: Someone who can tell you tomorrow why the predictions they made yesterday didn't come true:D

ScumLord

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Speak for yourself as I know *something* about those subjects. And remember what you're comparing these things to

Nobody can really appreciate how to do a job unless they have actually done the job.

My point is though that most people are pre programmed to follow the advise of elders and "experts". Throughout history our experts have been mostly useless religious leaders so there isn't even a tradition of the peers we put our faith in being good at what they do but it's a necessary part of human society.

The charlatans that do horoscopes are abusing that human behaviour at worst, at best they believe their own bull****.

Shenshen

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Speak for yourself as I know *something* about those subjects. And remember what you're comparing these things to

Wasn't there an experiment sometime in the 80s where they had a group of monkey and a group of investment analysts or whatever they may be called play the stock market to see who would make the better investments?

I remember it made headlines cause the monkeys actually made more money...

So in that light, the economy and astrology maybe aren't that far removed from each other

hames

I don't believe in horoscopes at all, but I do wonder whether the time of year we were born has ever affected human characteristics.

Probably less of a big deal these days, but I wonder whether children born in early Winter might have been less likely to thrive or have been less intelligent (due to poorer cognitive development) than their Spring and Summer counterparts. This could be brought on by factors like poorer nutrition and lower food stocks and more challenging climate, with energy spent on surviving outside the womb in the early months of life.

ScumLord

hames wrote: »

I don't believe in horoscopes at all, but I do wonder whether the time of year we were born has ever affected human characteristics.

Probably less of a big deal these days, but I wonder whether children born in early Winter might have been less likely to thrive or have been less intelligent (due to poorer cognitive development) than their Spring and Summer counterparts. This could be brought on by factors like poorer nutrition and lower food stocks and more challenging climate, with energy spent on surviving outside the womb in the early months of life.

That would seem very possible. What food was available back then could have a real affect on the development of the child but it's somewhat offset by humans ability to preserve food in the last 10,000 years.

Humans still seem to give birth mostly in spring/summer time. In closer nit communities were every ones living in the same space it's likely all the women in the community gave birth at roughly the same time.

BrensBenz

Horoscopes, found in newspapers and mags purporting to foretell your future, are nonsense but astrology has been around for long enough to merit a closer look.

You don't need to be clairvoyant to know that if you take a baseball bat to that huge, stripey, orange cat your going to regret it - you only need to know it's character to predict that outcome. Astrology purports to describe a person's personality traits depending on their birthdate. It also includes a study of compatibility between individuals, once their birthdates are known. While this could also be total ....e, my own experience has shown (on several occasions) friends who I hold dear (with birthdates approx. three months before or after my own) who cannot abide each other - their birthdates are six months apart.

If you look at people who have a talent for or a career in adjudicating, you will find a disproportionate number born under Libra, (scales of justice), way more than the "twelfth" you would expect;
Don't live with a Virgo unless you're good at tidying up;
Don't expect independent thought from a Pisces - they swim in shoals;
Don't get in the way of a Taurus - you will become their target, etc. etc.

There is a huge amount of stuff about the zodiac on dinternet. As I say, it might be total ....e, but worth a look.

--Kaiser--

Shenshen wrote: »

Wasn't there an experiment sometime in the 80s where they had a group of monkey and a group of investment analysts or whatever they may be called play the stock market to see who would make the better investments?

I remember it made headlines cause the monkeys actually made more money...

So in that light, the economy and astrology maybe aren't that far removed from each other

No...no, that's makes absolutely no sense. You're comparing a science that doesn't always produce correct predictions (in a chaotic financial system that would be impossible) to something that purports to divine futures based on planetary alignment (completely spuriously) while actually giving people Forer statements which are so vague as to be meaningless

Capt'n Midnight

They are totally true because 8.33% of the worlds population has the exact same things happen to them each day





BTW the effects of precession mean that the Zodiac is two star signs away from where the stars are today.

Some horoscopes included pluto :rolleyes:
and none of the ancient ones included Neptune or Uranus

and of course the ISS orbits very close so does it have an influence ??

and what of Mercury which is smaller than the moons Titan and Ganymede ?