kilkee bay hotel

rainbowdash

Up for auction starting at around €300k, what do people think it will sell for?

I suppose outside of July and August it will be empty most nights except a few weekends.

Also for auction the Ashford in Ennis starting at about €200k+, and the Shannon Shamrock in bunratty is for sale, no idea what it's going for.

Nevermind_

If you gave any of the 3 to me for free I'd still say no!

Palmach

rainbowdash wrote: »

Up for auction starting at around €300k, what do people think it will sell for?

I suppose outside of July and August it will be empty most nights except a few weekends.

Also for auction the Ashford in Ennis starting at about €200k+, and the Shannon Shamrock in bunratty is for sale, no idea what it's going for.

Well run hotels in Kilkee would be full most of the year. Note I said well run. Too many people think they can run a hotel and end up running the place into the ground. The Kilkee Bay has massive potential but needs investment and knowledge both of which are in short supply.

finbarrk

The Ocean Cove would have better potential than the Kilkee Bay because of it's location. I'm surprised it's not for sale yet.

Palmach

finbarrk wrote: »

The Ocean Cove would have better potential than the Kilkee Bay because of it's location. I'm surprised it's not for sale yet.

It is for sale. They will listen to offers.

rainbowdash

I suppose it's like a lot of places around the country, if you had your own cash to pay for it and you were prepared to work it yourself you might make a go of it, but if you were saddled with a mortgage then it's probably not that viable.

The ocean cove would be a better prospect though.

Evil_Clown

Here are the Allsop links for both properties, hopefully they can be brought back to former glories with owners who know the hotel business.



KilkeeBay

Ashford Court

The Red Ace

even if you had the cash i wonder where you would get an engineer to sign it( KB) over with the foundations sinking into the ground

Palmach

The Red Ace wrote: »

even if you had the cash i wonder where you would get an engineer to sign it( KB) over with the foundations sinking into the ground

That was the cinema next door. Which is now a swimming pool. The hotel is on firmer ground. However if it is not sold within a short space of time it will become derelict.

Radio5

I never stayed there but have to say I enjoyed many meals in the Ashford Court. It would be interesting to see if someone could make a go of it again. I think Ennis should able to support a medium sized centrally located hotel like that and with a decent restaurant, you could do well during the week. I suppose the Rowan Tree has taken a lot of that market though. And the costs, like rates, electricity etc haven't gone down since it closed.

rainbowdash

Well today is the big day, anybody hear how the auction went?

kippy

rainbowdash wrote: »

Well today is the big day, anybody hear how the auction went?

Interested in hearing how a few properties sold as well.
They do have a history of auctions on their site but it's probably not updated for a couple of days.

muggles

Ashford Court sold for €305,000 (reserve €215,000).

kippy

muggles wrote: »

Ashford Court sold for €305,000 (reserve €215,000).

The place in kilkee went for 315.

kippy

muggles wrote: »

Ashford Court sold for €305,000 (reserve €215,000).

The place in kilkee went for 315.

Lobby Con Shine

kippy wrote: »

The place in kilkee went for 315.

No it didn't.

It didn't sell.

kippy

Lobby Con Shine wrote: »

No it didn't.

It didn't sell.

Sorry, must have been a second place I spotted.

washman3

kippy wrote: »

The place in kilkee went for 315.

Not sold. reserve is still €315k
Offer 300k in a few weeks time and your hand will be bitten off, especially now that rumours of dodgy foundations are doing the rounds....

Radio5

Any word on who bought the Ashford Court? It would be good to see it re-opening in some fashion.

washman3

Radio5 wrote: »

Any word on who bought the Ashford Court? It would be good to see it re-opening in some fashion.

Probably some guy that did'nt buy 'blue chip bank shares' a few years ago when everyone laughed at him/her for being 'too conservative'
look who's laughing now...:D

Radio5

washman3 wrote: »

Probably some guy that did'nt buy 'blue chip bank shares' a few years ago when everyone laughed at him/her for being 'too conservative'
look who's laughing now...:D

Close enough guess. Seems both hotels have been bought by a man who made a fortune by selling some land during the boom.

Balagan

The Irish Independent

Rich farmer (74) snaps up two hotels for €625k

A 74-year-old multi-millionaire bachelor farmer has entered the hotel business after buying two hotels for a combined €625,000...
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/rich-farmer-74-snaps-up-two-hotels-for-625k-29156798.html

Should be interesting to watch what transpires!

finbarrk

Good man JJ!

washman3

Radio5 wrote: »

Close enough guess. Seems both hotels have been bought by a man who made a fortune by selling some land during the boom.

I was only guessing but fair play to him anyway. delighted for him. think he wont be a bachelor for long more now.!!
At least he has something to show for his cash now, unlike a bunch of know-alls who invested in bank shares.:)
Actually think i might know the man. Ennis bypass maybe.??

Lady Chatterton

washman3 wrote: »

Actually think i might know the man. Ennis bypass maybe.??

You might have met him on the canvas trail. JJ flirted with the notion of becoming a politician at one time. He ran in four local elections and was a candidate in the last General Election.

http://electionsireland.org/candidate.cfm?ID=5549

I hope his venture into the hospitality industry goes very well. I have to say that I admire his energy and enthusiasm, it is a hell of a project to take on at any age but he is 74 :eek: I hope he surrounds himself with experienced people who will be able to support him in his endeavours.

Good luck to him

rainbowdash

Good luck to him, theres a saying the best way to be a millionaire is to start off as a billionaire and buy and airline.

I guess the same phrase could attach to hotels.

Anyway at least the funds will be behind him to keep them open and not be constantly going bust.

Shapey Fiend

It's mad to think you could buy that much building for 300k. Plenty of other things it could be.

Radio5

A heap of scaffolding has gone up all along the front of the Kilkee Bay. Some signs of work starting there which is good to see.

finbarrk

A bit of employment will be created there anyway.

Baba P

Is this place open? Phone remains unanswered.

dmc17

Baba P wrote: »

Is this place open? Phone remains unanswered.

It should be. It was refurbished and had a re-opening night last summer.

finbarrk

It has been closed during the Winter. They did ok last Summer and Autumn. The Ashford Court Hotel in Ennis is under the same ownership, they might be able to help.

JOSman

I don't think they open until the end of the month.

Lady Chatterton

Threads merged

JOSman

Think it opens at the end of May.

Red Clover

The Kilkee Bay hotel opened on 30th May. No phone contact all winter to take bookings. How do people expect to run a hotel successfully with no booking system? Opening only a few days before Whit week-end with rookie staff and no proper preparation! A recipe for disaster. This hotel has potential to be busy for nine months of the year with proper management.

Lobby Con Shine

Red Clover wrote: »

The Kilkee Bay hotel opened on 30th May. No phone contact all winter to take bookings. How do people expect to run a hotel successfully with no booking system? Opening only a few days before Whit week-end with rookie staff and no proper preparation! A recipe for disaster. This hotel has potential to be busy for nine months of the year with proper management.

Completely agree. I think there is a gap in the market for a full-time hotel in Kilkee and it's a shame that where once there was half a dozen functioning hotels in the town, there is now just one, the Stella Maris which is a well-run hotel but has limited capacity.

The problem is that the Kilkee Bay and the Ocean Cove have been bought as investments. These types of hotel need owners who live and breathe them. There is no hotel between Loop Head and Ennis. The Armada is well up the coast and Doonbeg is not really a hotel and also it's isolated - you have to drive everywhere from it.

A properly-run hotel could create full-time employment for a dozen people along with part-time opportunities during the summer months. It would be a huge boost for the town. Such a pity that there are two fine fully-built hotels in the town with no-one interested in making a go of them.

Jim Martin

Lobby Con Shine wrote: »

Completely agree. I think there is a gap in the market for a full-time hotel in Kilkee and it's a shame that where once there was half a dozen functioning hotels in the town, there is now just one, the Stella Maris which is a well-run hotel but has limited capacity.

The problem is that the Kilkee Bay and the Ocean Cove have been bought as investments. These types of hotel need owners who live and breathe them. There is no hotel between Loop Head and Ennis. The Armada is well up the coast and Doonbeg is not really a hotel and also it's isolated - you have to drive everywhere from it.

A properly-run hotel could create full-time employment for a dozen people along with part-time opportunities during the summer months. It would be a huge boost for the town. Such a pity that there are two fine fully-built hotels in the town with no-one interested in making a go of them.

That is an absolute disgrace! How on earth can this part of the country claim to be part of the 'Wild Atlantic Way' which the government are so heavily promoting, without the basic essentials being present? This country just does not seem to improve/progress & yet expects tourists/visitors to come flocking here!

Lobby Con Shine

Jim Martin wrote: »

That is an absolute disgrace! How on earth can this part of the country claim to be part of the 'Wild Atlantic Way' which the government are so heavily promoting, without the basic essentials being present? This country just does not seem to improve/progress & yet expects tourists/visitors to come flocking here!

It's part of the Wild Atlantic Way because it's on the Atlantic coast. If the criterion for being on the route was to do with having the necessary accommodation, then there would be serious gaps in it.

However, it is a disgrace that Kilkee doesn't have a large, functioning hotel.

One thing I forgot to mention in my initial post was that the Kilkee Bay Hotel has a nightclub attached. There is no nightclub between Loop Head and Ennis and, if run properly, it could take in a few bob on Fridays and Saturdays during the winter which could help in the off season.

However, a nightclub attached to the hotel may not exactly be an attractive proposition for many people.

Red Clover

I agree but a nightclub has to be run properly and we have seen in the past that greed has caused massive overcrowding problems which has led to normal club goers to avoid the place leaving it open to the gurriers who want to cause trouble. The entrance to the nightclub in question is bit away from the bedrooms so a well-run premises shouldn't cause problems.

Lobby Con Shine

Red Clover wrote: »

I agree but a nightclub has to be run properly and we have seen in the past that greed has caused massive overcrowding problems which has led to normal club goers to avoid the place leaving it open to the gurriers who want to cause trouble. The entrance to the nightclub in question is bit away from the bedrooms so a well-run premises shouldn't cause problems.

The best thing that could happen for the nightclubs in Kilkee is if a nightclub was to open in Kilrush. That would take a lot of the lowlifes away from Kilkee.

Running Balance

Opening a nightclub in kilrush? They'd be more peace on the Gaza strip!!

JCX BXC

Running Balance wrote: »

Opening a nightclub in kilrush? They'd be more peace on the Gaza strip!!

As bad as that is, its funny.

With a nightclub In kilrush, it would be a glorified south hill or similar.

Carnacalla

Carnacalla wrote: »

As bad as that is, its funny.

With a nightclub In kilrush, it would be a glorified south hill or similar.

Isn't Kilkee just a glorified South hill though? Its full of "undesirables" from the worst parts of Limerick mixed with the local riff raff, who lets face it, are not much better. But ya, lay the blame on Kilrush there lads, well done.

Kilrush could't support a nightclub, it can barely support one pub these days, The Haven, Crottys, Kellys are basically operating as restaurants that happen to serve drink.

Kilkee doesn't need a hotel, its a small backward seaside town that has been dying year on year for the past decade, in another ten years even the cultured Limerick visitors will be heading for pastures new. Kilkee has very little to offer, a nice looking beach that's covered in urine and excrement and roads that are falling apart. Massive murals of a known terrorist litter the streets making sure that any American that visits there wont be returning anytime soon. Shops and restaurants operate with grossly inflated prices to fleece the few remaining tourists. The cliffs are lovely but the walkway is poorly maintained. Its a study on how not to do tourism really.

poppyvally

Taliyah Unkempt Hermit wrote: »

Isn't Kilkee just a glorified South hill though? Its full of "undesirables" from the worst parts of Limerick mixed with the local riff raff, who lets face it, are not much better. But ya, lay the blame on Kilrush there lads, well done.

Kilrush could't support a nightclub, it can barely support one pub these days, The Haven, Crottys, Kellys are basically operating as restaurants that happen to serve drink.

Kilkee doesn't need a hotel, its a small backward seaside town that has been dying year on year for the past decade, in another ten years even the cultured Limerick visitors will be heading for pastures new. Kilkee has very little to offer, a nice looking beach that's covered in urine and excrement and roads that are falling apart. Massive murals of a known terrorist litter the streets making sure that any American that visits there wont be returning anytime soon. Shops and restaurants operate with grossly inflated prices to fleece the few remaining tourists. The cliffs are lovely but the walkway is poorly maintained. Its a study on how not to do tourism really.

well written Double and sadly, so very true. We always kill the golden goose. Greed in a hurry.

Lobby Con Shine

Taliyah Unkempt Hermit wrote: »

Isn't Kilkee just a glorified South hill though? Its full of "undesirables" from the worst parts of Limerick mixed with the local riff raff, who lets face it, are not much better. But ya, lay the blame on Kilrush there lads, well done.

Kilrush could't support a nightclub, it can barely support one pub these days, The Haven, Crottys, Kellys are basically operating as restaurants that happen to serve drink.

Kilkee doesn't need a hotel, its a small backward seaside town that has been dying year on year for the past decade, in another ten years even the cultured Limerick visitors will be heading for pastures new. Kilkee has very little to offer, a nice looking beach that's covered in urine and excrement and roads that are falling apart. Massive murals of a known terrorist litter the streets making sure that any American that visits there wont be returning anytime soon. Shops and restaurants operate with grossly inflated prices to fleece the few remaining tourists. The cliffs are lovely but the walkway is poorly maintained. Its a study on how not to do tourism really.

Alot of speculative comment there, not much by way of evidence.

Kilkee could support at least one hotel, if not two, but they'd have to be run properly. We know this because there have been several properly-run hotels there previously.

This is a thread about the hotel so I won't get into a discussion about whether Kilkee is backward or not but it's usually the person making such claims that has the issues.

blowin3

I lived outside Kilkee for a number of years 5 I think (blanked it out). It was with out doubt the worst time in my life especially if you are not from there "blowin". The business only want your money and lot of the others are just booze and drugs. Not a nice place have not been back or will be back in that dump again.

Lobby Con Shine

Lobby Con Shine wrote: »

Alot of speculative comment there, not much by way of evidence.

Kilkee could support at least one hotel, if not two, but they'd have to be run properly. We know this because there have been several properly-run hotels there previously.

This is a thread about the hotel so I won't get into a discussion about whether Kilkee is backward or not but it's usually the person making such claims that has the issues.

Says post is speculative - goes on to speculate wildly.....

blowin3

blowin3 wrote: »

I lived outside Kilkee for a number of years 5 I think (blanked it out). It was with out doubt the worst time in my life especially if you are not from there "blowin". The business only want your money and lot of the others are just booze and drugs. Not a nice place have not been back or will be back in that dump again.

By the way these are my personal feelings. I knew a guy from Limerick who ran the Marine and did a fine job as well. But he had to nearly stay open 24 hours to make it pay and after 2 years he was burnt out. There was a saying about the park owners when they got payed by Limerick folk. It went on the lines "thank you very much see you next year " . But its a shame as it has a lot going for it beach, walks and of course Loop head.

Lobby Con Shine

Taliyah Unkempt Hermit wrote: »

Says post is speculative - goes on to speculate wildly.....

There is evidence to show that several hotels operated in Kilkee in days gone by.

Shapey Fiend

The fact the town is 75% unoccupied can't help. Awash with cheap self catering and I'm guessing there are 100 b&b beds in the general vicinity.