Cure for colic

cb7

Looking for a cure for colic in the Monaghan area (there is supposed to be someone in Emyvale).

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try get some gripe water. works wonders
my son had colic for about 4 week. same time every night he'd cry for 2 hours....and then one day he didnt cry

xzanti

Cranial Osteopathy worked great for my Son, he was 5 weeks when I bought him..

That was in Dublin, you'd have to do a bit of looking around for an Osteopath in your area, unless you want to travel to Dublin.

I'll send you the details of the person I went to if you want.

Best of luck.

Gee_G

Maybe try post in the Monaghan forum? You might have a good chance of getting a name there.

hanna.v

xzanti wrote: »

Cranial Osteopathy worked great for my Son, he was 5 weeks when I bought him..

That was in Dublin, you'd have to do a bit of looking around for an Osteopath in your area, unless you want to travel to Dublin.

I'll send you the details of the person I went to if you want.

Best of luck.

hi, could you let me know who did you see, im desperate to get some help with my lil one

xzanti

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December2012

I've heard that using a baby sling helps ease colic. Look at baby wearing Ireland.

hanna.v

December2012 wrote: »

I've heard that using a baby sling helps ease colic. Look at baby wearing Ireland.

cant use a sling with my baba, she has dislocated hip and is in pavlik harness so no go thnx anyway

December2012

hanna.v wrote: »

cant use a sling with my baba, she has dislocated hip and is in pavlik harness so no go thnx anyway

Poor lamb! And you - I hope you and she gets sorted soon.

hanna.v

thank you:)

lazygal

There's no 'cure' for colic I'm afraid, it's something babies have to grow out of.

hanna.v

lazygal wrote: »

There's no 'cure' for colic I'm afraid, it's something babies have to grow out of.

i know, but am desperate to at least ease it a bit for her and me, she keeps me up from 3 to 7 h (!!!) straight at nite every nite...its so hard to stay positive and shes only barely 3 weeks old to think it usually last until 3-4 months age makes me wanna cry.....

pwurple

lazygal wrote: »

There's no 'cure' for colic I'm afraid, it's something babies have to grow out of.

+1

And I would let anyone mess with my child's skull bones in a hurry either.

icescreamqueen

hanna.v wrote: »

i know, but am desperate to at least ease it a bit for her and me, she keeps me up from 3 to 7 h (!!!) straight at nite every nite...its so hard to stay positive and shes only barely 3 weeks old to think it usually last until 3-4 months age makes me wanna cry.....

You poor dote. I used to have a lot of days like that but thankfully it's got a bit better and I have a lot more good days than bad now. My friends baby was very colic and her partners Mum who is a midwife recommended Gripe Water too. My friend said it worked a treat. Apparently it used to be banned in the south because it had a little alcohol in it. It's not now as they've taken out the alcohol.

lazygal

pwurple wrote: »

+1

And I would let anyone mess with my child's skull bones in a hurry either.

Pardon the pun but it wrecks my head when people recommend cranial whatnots . There's no proof it cures anything and no regulation of it. Pure moneymaking.

xzanti

And it wrecks my head when people dismiss an entire profession as BS just because they don't understand it.

It worked very well for my child.. and my friends child who was also born by C Section..

BTW, they do not boast having "The Cure for Colic".. what they do is ease the pains that babies can suffer as a result of a rough birth..

hanna.v

icescreamqueen wrote: »

You poor dote. I used to have a lot of days like that but thankfully it's got a bit better and I have a lot more good days than bad now. My friends baby was very colic and her partners Mum who is a midwife recommended Gripe Water too. My friend said it worked a treat. Apparently it used to be banned in the south because it had a little alcohol in it. It's not now as they've taken out the alcohol.

i have gripe water stocked up at home, just waiting for dd to turn one month as it says its not suitable for babies under that age. am really hoping its going to work a little bit at least, if not with colic than at least with her constipation maybe...poor thing is struggling with that too and all the comfort formula,whatever breastmilk i can extract, lactulose and belly rubs r not working for her so far.
it breaks my heart to see her suffer like that every nite...

lazygal

xzanti wrote: »

And it wrecks my head when people dismiss an entire profession as BS just because they don't understand it.

It worked very well for my child.. and my friends child who was also born by C Section..

BTW, they do not boast having "The Cure for Colic".. what they do is ease the pains that babies can suffer as a result of a rough birth..

I do understand its an entirely unregulated 'profession' and anyone can set themselves up as doing cranial what have you. I wouldn't endanger my child by putting them in the hands of someone who claims manipulating the bones of the skull is a good idea.

xzanti

lazygal wrote: »

I do understand its an entirely unregulated 'profession' and anyone can set themselves up as doing cranial what have you. I wouldn't endanger my child by putting them in the hands of someone who claims manipulating the bones of the skull is a good idea.

Credentials of the 2 Therapists who operate the Clinic that I took my Son to, and whom I recommend to other parents:

******** (Registered Osteopath) has a degree in Human sciences from Oxford University and a degree in Osteopathic Medicine from the British College of Osteopathic Medicine.

****** has 15 years of experience as an osteopath. He has spent the last 8 years working exclusively at the ******* Clinic. Previously he worked in 5 different practices with osteopaths in England and Ireland.

He teaches clinical osteopathy at the Irish College of Osteopathic Medicine and has also taught clinical osteopathy at the British College of Osteopathic Medicine and at the Stillorgan Institute of Physical Therapy.

******** (Registered Osteopath) is qualified as a Cranial Osteopath and pain-releif acupuncturist.

********** (Registered Osteopath) specialises in treating lower back pain, mid back pain, neck pain, headaches and shoulder pain that have not responded to other treatments

****** RGN, Ph. Th., MIAPT, MIACST (Physical Therapist and Cranio-Sacral Therapist)

****** has been practising as a physical therapist for 8 years. She has spent 5 of those years teaching physical therapy at the Stillorgan Institute of Physical Therapy. ***** has also studied cranio-sacral therapy at the Upledger Institute which she uses for the treatment of neonatal disorders. She has worked as a nurse for 14 years.

It worked for us! it has worked for others I know of.. It may not work in 100% of cases.. but unfortunately babies cannot tell us what they are feeling.. it's a case of trial and error in many cases.

Perhaps there are people out there who should not be practicing.. but I can vouch for the clinic that I recommend.

I have nothing to gain by recommending this treatment to people.. nor did the Boards users who recommended it to me when my baby was inconsolable with pain.

I will continue to recommend it to people who ask for alternative treatments for their babies.. whether it 'wrecks your head' or not

I have nothing more to say on the subject.

OP I really hope your little ones gets better soon.. I know how you're feeling.

December2012

OP you mentioned breast milk - are you having trouble with supply?

You can eat oat biscuits and take certain supplements to help your supply.

nikpmup

Hanna.v, I changed to Dr Browns bottles and they've made a big difference, he's not swallowing as much air and is a happier baby. Might be worth a try

hanna.v

December2012 wrote: »

OP you mentioned breast milk - are you having trouble with supply?

You can eat oat biscuits and take certain supplements to help your supply.

im on fenugreek tablets for a week now but not much difference yet but not giving up! gonna pump until i can!

hanna.v

nikpmup wrote: »

Hanna.v, I changed to Dr Browns bottles and they've made a big difference, he's not swallowing as much air and is a happier baby. Might be worth a try

been using them from the very start, absolutely love them, i dont get it why she can be so sweet and at peace during a day and than nite comes and drama starts, iliteraly getting stressed every single evening dreading the night ahead

xzanti

hanna.v wrote: »

been using them from the very start, absolutely love them, i dont get it why she can be so sweet and at peace during a day and than nite comes and drama starts, iliteraly getting stressed every single evening dreading the night ahead

My Son was like that too.. always the evenings.. his face would be purple from screaming..

It is a horrible time.. you just want to enjoy your newborn I hope things improve for you soon..

loubian

hanna.v wrote: »

been using them from the very start, absolutely love them, i dont get it why she can be so sweet and at peace during a day and than nite comes and drama starts, iliteraly getting stressed every single evening dreading the night ahead

I know it's so much easier said than done because I'm the same but try not be stressing out when it gets to evening time. Babies really can sense the stress. Last few days have been bad for us and baby has calmed down in other people's arms because they're not stressed. It's very hard to turn off thst stressed feeling, but ut will be worth it in the end. Have you tried giving baby a bath before bed? I find it can calm both of us because I'm just concentrating on her n she's enjoying being in the water. Also if you have the light off when feeding, she could be a bit scared? My lo doesn't really like the dark so wait until she's settled to turn off the lights. And also, when feeding, after her first half I let her lie down and I change her nappy. With her nsppy off, she goes mad kicking her legs n this can help with wind. Then a lot of the time when I pick her back up she'll burp straight away. Not saying you've to do any of this but it's just how I go about it.

hanna.v

loubian wrote: »

I know it's so much easier said than done because I'm the same but try not be stressing out when it gets to evening time. Babies really can sense the stress. Last few days have been bad for us and baby has calmed down in other people's arms because they're not stressed. It's very hard to turn off thst stressed feeling, but ut will be worth it in the end. Have you tried giving baby a bath before bed? I find it can calm both of us because I'm just concentrating on her n she's enjoying being in the water. Also if you have the light off when feeding, she could be a bit scared? My lo doesn't really like the dark so wait until she's settled to turn off the lights. And also, when feeding, after her first half I let her lie down and I change her nappy. With her nsppy off, she goes mad kicking her legs n this can help with wind. Then a lot of the time when I pick her back up she'll burp straight away. Not saying you've to do any of this but it's just how I go about it.

this is a lovely routine you have and i would love to be able to do all those things but my dd has a pavlik harness on which we can only remove on thursdays to give her a once a week bath and than she has it fitted back on in the hospital. i have the light on for feedings too so she feels more cosy, im just counting the weeks until her harness comes off (6 more to go ) hoping its gonna make the whole difference.

pwurple

xzanti wrote: »

Credentials of the 2 Therapists who operate the Clinic that I took my Son to, and whom I recommend to other parents:

Just to point out, none of those 'credentials' are medical or recognised. I could string a bunch of letters after my name after attending the local flower arranging club. Doesn't mean I have any notion on how the human skeleton functions.

It worked for us! it has worked for others I know of.. It may not work in 100% of cases.. but unfortunately babies cannot tell us what they are feeling.. it's a case of trial and error in many cases.

Commonly known as 'regression to the mean'. This is when complaints get better all on their own over time, and people hail the last thing they tried as a 'cure'. Colic gets better on its own. Babies do not need their skulls adjusting. They have a fragile little brain in there.

Manipulation of skull bones in infants by 'osteopaths' has sometimes led to stroke. Leading to brain damage and death.

You are more than free to make your point. I am also free to mention the other side to it, as a balance. That it is considered to be unmedical quackery, with potentially life-threatening or disabling side effects.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/cranial.html

http://www.badscience.net/2004/09/cranial-osteopathy/

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/alas-poor-craniosacral/

It is yet another weird invention of an eccentric nutter, dating from the 1930s. there is no ancient wisdom involved, just an individual with an eye for what makes money. I.e. Desperate sleep-deprived parents.

People can choose as they please. Crying won't ever kill a child. Stroke induced by someone faffing about with their skull can. Hopefully, all they will lose is their cash.

icescreamqueen

hanna.v wrote: »

i have gripe water stocked up at home, just waiting for dd to turn one month as it says its not suitable for babies under that age. am really hoping its going to work a little bit at least, if not with colic than at least with her constipation maybe...poor thing is struggling with that too and all the comfort formula,whatever breastmilk i can extract, lactulose and belly rubs r not working for her so far.
it breaks my heart to see her suffer like that every nite...

Not ideal but whenever my LO had constipation, I gave her some brown sugar and water. It always worked. My sister was great with getting bubs bowels to work. She'd move her legs in the motion of a bicycle. We found that worked too. Just have to get her to cycle fast!

princess 11

My two children had this the first her milk was changed to Y soy thats how its pronounced by doctor that was 19 years ago and tried infacol gripe water nothing worked she eventually grew out of it at 1 year old .My other daughter responded well to gripe water though but it was banned then and had to go up north to get it and rubbing belly and moving legs like a bicycle like the other lady says definately helps.My heart goes out to you it is not easy.

xzanti

pwurple wrote: »

Just to point out, none of those 'credentials' are medical or recognised. I could string a bunch of letters after my name after attending the local flower arranging club. Doesn't mean I have any notion on how the human skeleton functions.

I never said they were medical.. It is very much an alternative treatment and I already acknowledged that...

pwurple wrote: »

Commonly known as 'regression to the mean'. This is when complaints get better all on their own over time, and people hail the last thing they tried as a 'cure'. Colic gets better on its own.

It was a hell of a coincidence that his evening time meltdowns pretty much disappeared after our first session.. He would still cry of course, as baby's do, but it was a normal baby whinge as opposed to the blood curdling howling that we had been experiencing..

That normal whinge was music to our ears compared to before.. also he had problems with his sinuses and would make snoring noises in his sleep.. that also disappeared after the 2 sessions, as per the Osteopaths predictions.

With regards deaths.. from one of the links you provided:

Two Deaths Reported

Relying on CST instead of effective treatment can be dangerous. Moreover, its practice indicates poor judgement that may harm patients in other ways. At least two deaths associated with craniosacral therapy have been reported:

In 2003, a Pennsylvania chiropractor (Joann A. Gallagher) was convicted of insurance fraud in connection with the death of a 30-year-old epileptic woman whom she treated with cranial therapy. Court documents indicated that the patient died of severe seizures after following the chiropractor's advice to stop taking her anticonvulsive medication. The fraud involved submitting insurance claims falsely describing Upledger's "meningeal balancing" as spinal manipulation [8].

In 2012, a Missouri dentist (Joseph H. Kerwin) had his license revoked for contributing to the death of a 2-day-old infant who had been brought to him because of a high fever. Records in the case indicate that instead of referring the parents to a medical facility, he manipulated the child's skull and applied a vibrating machine to his sacrum. The boy died 12 hours later, and the autopsy showed that he died from complications of a subdual hematoma (a blood clot that compressed his brain). The medical examiner concluded that the hematoma could have been present at birth but was more likely caused by the skull manipulation. The dental board concluded that Kerwin had acted outside the scope of dentistry [9].

The first one, if I understand it correctly was where the lady died because she stopped taking her anticonvulsive medication.. it says nothing about her death being directly linked to osteopathy.

The second was carried out by a Dentist who evidently had no idea what he was doing.. and obviously that child needed a Hospital if s/he had a high fever.. that case makes no sense to me.

pwurple

Xzanti, I'm not trying to convince you. i know seeing something with your own eyes is much more convincing than anything I can write.

But this is a public internet board which will show up in searches for years to come. Just adding the potential side effects so people don't assume it's risk free.

Alternative therapies are great when they are non-invasive, like aromatherapy or colour therapy. The worst that can go wrong there is that people become so convinced by it, they stop taking their medication.

But when they can do physical harm, like moving skull bones or manipulating someones spine, however rare, it's a different story. The brain and the spinal chord are not things you want to damage.

SC Kevin

I know exactly what your going thru hanna.v! My first had colic really really bad and you feel so bad you cant do anything for them! We tried different tablets but they didnt do anything, then got my hands on a bottle of gripe water and it worked wonders. We also changed over to Dr. Browns bottles which helped cut down the amount of air been taken in!

What you can also try is just keep the baby up against you cause the heat on her tummy can help bring up the wind and also, if you have a rocking chair, it can sooth both baby and mommy (or daddy)

Hope everything work out for you and baby

And for OP, there is no cure for colic unfortunately, babies will eventually grow out of it after a few weeks but defo get some gripe water

December2012

Hey a roundabout suggestion just occurred to me. You certainly have your hands full so maybe one approach to take is to manage yourself really well.

So you'll be less frustrated by the crying make sure you're eating as nutritiously as possible, that you are getting rest as much as you can (early nights for a while!), take all offers of babysitting, get some good exercise - post natal yoga or Pilates. Maybe bring your baby to mother and baby yoga?

masie74

PM sent with phone no for cure. Hope it helps!

Mrs W

There's a reiki healer woman in inniskeen that's supposed to be very good, my niece had reflux and they found this gave her relief

fealeranger

pwurple wrote: »

Xzanti, I'm not trying to convince you. i know seeing something with your own eyes is much more convincing than anything I can write.

But this is a public internet board which will show up in searches for years to come. Just adding the potential side effects so people don't assume it's risk free.

Alternative therapies are great when they are non-invasive, like aromatherapy or colour therapy. The worst that can go wrong there is that people become so convinced by it, they stop taking their medication.

But when they can do physical harm, like moving skull bones or manipulating someones spine, however rare, it's a different story. The brain and the spinal chord are not things you want to damage.

If you knew how much discomfort little babies are in when they have skeletal issues you would not be so quick to judge how good or bad Osteopath are. If you had a slipped disc in your back you would be in severe pain, I know because I had one. If I can comfort a helpless baby I will give them every chance possible. We took our little lady to a Cranial Osteopath because we tried plenty medical treatments and none worked. We were at the doctor several times with a very unhappy baby who suffered with extreme colic trauma and reflux after a long labour followed by a C section. The only answer we were getting from the doctor was it will get better but we don't know what is wrong with her. The baby slept all the way through the examination and the procedure at the Osteopath. Immediate effects were seen that night. No sign of colic, voilent crying in her sleep almost disappeared and reflux stopped after only one session. The Osteopath told us we should see immediate progress and we did. Now you can say what you want but for the 3 problems to nearly vanish after one session is more than a lucky guess. She did say It does not always work and not to bother with any more treatment if this was the case but it was still better than going to a doctor who was doing nothing. All Osteopath have to be registered so I don't know where you get the idea that they are not a recognised organisation.

xzanti

pwurple wrote: »

Xzanti, I'm not trying to convince you. i know seeing something with your own eyes is much more convincing than anything I can write.

But this is a public internet board which will show up in searches for years to come. Just adding the potential side effects so people don't assume it's risk free.

Yes, I think we can all agree that any practice of that nature is never risk free.. especially where new babies are concerned.. and I will reiterate that there is only one clinic that I ever recommend.. and I have acknowledged that it is unregulated so people need to be cautious.

With regards pulling up horror stories from the internet.. please (if you haven't already) type "Cranial Osteopathy is it safe?" into Google.ie

The entire first page is full of positive reviews.. including a discussion forum from the VHI website containing yet more good reviews from parents who have opted for the treatment.

Just in the interest of keeping things balanced.

hanna.v

i am so grateful for all the tips and advice from everyone, in the end i will wait for one more week to start using grape water (dd will be one month old than which is recommended age) and if it does not give any result i will call the osteopath and see what they say. i am pretty sure though that all her problems are strongly related to the harness shes wearing for her hip dysplasia that prevents her from moving/kicking her legs. anyways i thank you all for the ideas and help!

nikpmup

hanna.v wrote: »

i am so grateful for all the tips and advice from everyone, in the end i will wait for one more week to start using grape water (dd will be one month old than which is recommended age) and if it does not give any result i will call the osteopath and see what they say. i am pretty sure though that all her problems are strongly related to the harness shes wearing for her hip dysplasia that prevents her from moving/kicking her legs. anyways i thank you all for the ideas and help!

I'd say you're on the money, kicking the legs is a sure fire way of moving wind, if she can't do that she can't move it along. Hopefully the gripe water will help