Batman: Arkham Origins

Zero-Cool

Holy f*ck balls Batman!

A transcript of the company's Q4 2012 earnings call, posted on Seeking Alpha, quotes CFO John
K. Martin:

"We expect [digital home video revenue] to grow close to 20% in 2013. And we
also have a strong games release this year, which will include the next release
in the Batman Arkham franchise."

Now, hopefully Rocksteady continue this brilliant series and not stray into the Silver Age rumour. Although saying that, I have 100% faith in them. It's just a pity the writer of the first 2 isn't signing on for this.

Wasn't expecting another Arkham game this year.....and realistically can't see it happening but hope I'm proven wrong.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/390738/batman-arkham-3-to-release-in-2013-warner-confirms/

maximoose

Can't wait for this game, have really enjoyed the first two and like you said I hope they just continue rather than go back to the silver age as rumoured. All those rumours were some time ago, has there been anything more said about it recently?

Paul1990

sheehy83 wrote: »

Holy f*ck balls Batman!



Now, hopefully Rocksteady continue this brilliant series and not stray into the Silver Age rumour. Although saying that, I have 100% faith in them. It's just a pity the writer of the first 2 isn't signing on for this.

Wasn't expecting another Arkham game this year.....and realistically can't see it happening but hope I'm proven wrong.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/390738/batman-arkham-3-to-release-in-2013-warner-confirms/

Same here. I love the current setting and characters.

I don't want it to go all retro and stuff.

Deano7788

The only problem is that if you read further down the article it says Rocksteady mightn't be working on it which would worry me.

Zero-Cool

The Silver Age rumours were from July 2012 but nothing since. They could be thinking it would be too hard to make a game in the whole of Gotham City but just like Arkham Asylum had the secret room showing the blueprints for Arkham City, I wonder is the 'city in a puddle' showing Gotham City as the next playground.

It is very worrying that Rocksteady might not be making the next installment but can't see the Arkham games deing done by any other studio, they might as well make up their own series of Batman games.

Also I wonder if anyone found the '3 or 4 secrets still undiscovered' yet?

http://kotaku.com/5911839/drive-yourself-nuts-trying-to-guess-the-3-to-4-undiscovered-secrets-of-arkham-city

Potential-Monke

Unless Rockstar are making it, I will be very apprehensive about it.

Zero-Cool

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Unless Rockstar are making it, I will be very apprehensive about it.

I think they will have their hands full with GTA 5

Potential-Monke

Damn it! Rocksteady!

Zero-Cool

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Damn it! Rocksteady!

HAHA I called them Rockstar in one of my posts above as well but noticed just before I hit submit.

hightower1

<croses fingers and squints eyes>...... cccoooommmmeeee oooonnnn full access to a full Gotham city and Batmobile!!! :eek::eek::D:D

Mr Freeze

This announcement would move me to tears... If I still had tears to shed.

Zero-Cool

Mr Freeze wrote: »

This announcement would move me to tears... If I still had tears to shed.

Very nice! Arnie would be proud.

Mr Freeze

sheehy83 wrote: »

Very nice! Arnie would be proud.

That was an animated series quote, you have no place in this thread. Be gone!

Zero-Cool

Mr Freeze wrote: »

That was an animated series quote, you have no place in this thread. Be gone!

What! Arnie is the real Mr. Freeze!

Zero-Cool

Actually in serious mood to go back and watch the animated series now.

Saw an easteregg vid I didn't see before, very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RJSvS0N00g

COYVB

Am I the only one who finds the Batman Arkham games to be awfully dull and uneventful?

maximoose

COYVB wrote: »

Am I the only one who finds the Batman Arkham games to be awfully dull and uneventful?

Yes.

Mr Freeze

I thought there was too much happening in the 2nd one to be honest.

GTR63

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Damn it! Rocksteady!

At least you didn`t say bebop.

Playing through Harley`s Revenge these days I find it a bit tedious a real slog that is more Challenge Room than campaign.
Hopefully a full sequel is in the works though

And I thought there wasn't enough in the game. I liked the side missions but found the main storyline a bit short. Maybe the reason I was left wanting for more is because the game is genuinely amazing.

Can't imagine what a 3rd game in the same series will be like without Rocksteady developing and Paul Dini writing, and

a dead Joker

but at this time nothing concrete is known apart from a few loose tid-bits from an eager suit.

If they somehow manage to produce another great Batman game, I don't mind waiting for RS to finish GTA5 first.

PerrinV2

COYVB wrote: »

Am I the only one who finds the Batman Arkham games to be awfully dull and uneventful?

I thought the first was over hyped and not great but I thought the second one was class,went in with lesser expections I guess

EDDIE WATERS

stankratz wrote: »

And I thought there wasn't enough in the game. I liked the side missions but found the main storyline a bit short. Maybe the reason I was left wanting for more is because the game is genuinely amazing.

Can't imagine what a 3rd game in the same series will be like without Rocksteady developing and Paul Dini writing, and

a dead Joker

but at this time nothing concrete is known apart from a few loose tid-bits from an eager suit.

If they somehow manage to produce another great Batman game, I don't mind waiting for RS to finish GTA5 first.

Rockstar don`t make the Arkham Games

CastorTroy

GTA:Gotham City?

Strange that this is the first we semi officially hear of the game. You'd think we'd have more info for a game due out this year.

EDDIE WATERS

EDDIE WATERS wrote: »

Rockstar don`t make the Arkham Games

Thanks, getting my rocks muxed ip.

So why aren't Rocksteady on board for the next game, and Paul Dini for that matter. Considering the modern fondness of all things 'trilogy' and with 2 strong games behind them, I'd hope all hands would be on the job for the 3rd (last?) Arkham game to see out the series. There were certainly enough loose ends to point to a sequel by the end of AC so RSteady and Dini can't have been caught off-guard by the proposition of a 3rd game.

Maybe money is the problem as it often can be, perhaps RS and the writer Dini want more $$$ or the more likely scenario, Warner want to give them less. Of course I have no knowledge of the actual reasons and am just summising.

Deano7788

stankratz wrote: »

Thanks, getting my rocks muxed ip.

So why aren't Rocksteady on board for the next game, and Paul Dini for that matter. Considering the modern fondness of all things 'trilogy' and with 2 strong games behind them, I'd hope all hands would be on the job for the 3rd (last?) Arkham game to see out the series. There were certainly enough loose ends to point to a sequel by the end of AC so RSteady and Dini can't have been caught off-guard by the proposition of a 3rd game.

Maybe money is the problem as it often can be, perhaps RS and the writer Dini want more $$$ or the more likely scenario, Warner want to give them less. Of course I have no knowledge of the actual reasons and am just summising.

I don't think money is the problem. Warner owns a majority stake in Rocksteady. The problem with Dini could be that he's not doing any work for DC or Warner at present. He's actually working on animated series for Marvel and writing comics for independents as far as I know so maybe they wanted to get a writer from inside rather than hiring a freelancer.

Here's hoping for Scott Snyder, if that's what they are doing.

Zero-Cool

Batman: Arkham Origins to be released on PS4 next XBOX this year?????

http://www.thegamingliberty.com/2013/03/report-batman-arkham-origins-coming-to-ps4-and-next-xbox-this-year/

Very strange if true as they have a load of potential to move forward with the story, not sure what they would do with an origins story.

Mr Freeze

sheehy83 wrote: »

Very strange if true as they have a load of potential to move forward with the story, not sure what they would do with an origins story.

Because Hamill was possibly misquoted, and will voice the Joker again. Just a guess.

snausages

COYVB wrote: »

Am I the only one who finds the Batman Arkham games to be awfully dull and uneventful?

I find them overrated. I can't help but feel that the relative novelty of a game treating its source material with the dignity it deserves causes people to give these games more credit than they're due. They're competent but not the 10/10 masterpieces the gaming press make them out to be. Maybe if I was a comic-book fan I'd think differently.

Zero-Cool

Without all the comic stuff and brilliant lore, it's still an excellent game with, imo, the best combat of any game this. Ah I could go into some rant here, bottom line, it's the best game series this gen.....imo.

snausages

sheehy83 wrote: »

Without all the comic stuff and brilliant lore, it's still an excellent game with, imo, the best combat of any game this.

imo, I disagree with that. Arkham has a very simplistic combat engine.

COYVB

sheehy83 wrote: »

Without all the comic stuff and brilliant lore, it's still an excellent game with, imo, the best combat of any game this. Ah I could go into some rant here, bottom line, it's the best game series this gen.....imo.

I think it's that I find third person sandboxy games to be incredibly unfocused and boring, regardless of their focus. I hate GTA too

GTR63

snausages wrote: »

imo, I disagree with that. Arkham has a very simplistic combat engine.

Thats the point of the combat its easy to get a chain going and with all the gadgets you have plenty of options. Musn't be too simple that when Uncharted and Assassins Creed tried to copy it and made a pigs ear of it.

snausages

GTR63 wrote: »

Thats the point of the combat its easy to get a chain going and with all the gadgets you have plenty of options. Musn't be too simple that when Uncharted and Assassins Creed tried to copy it and made a pigs ear of it.

Combat in Arkham is simple to the point of being banal. You can make a simple combat system engaging as well but for me Arkham's repetitive system of basic melee and signposted counter attacks served as a motivation to avoid combat altogether whenever possible. Sadly, the stealth options were just as limited. The boss design was rubbish also. It's not a bad game but I've never understood why it's rated as one of the best games this gen.

Zero-Cool

Playing on hard or going for gold in the combat challenges requires more than simple combos and shows just how brilliant the system is. Sleeping dogs recently copied the combat system and pulled it off quiet well. Just out of interest, what kind of games/ combat do you prefer?

snausages

Stuff like Devil May Cry or Bayonetta. With Batman I find there's too much of a disconnect between the player and Batman. In the other two games you have direct control and can manipulate the character as much as you want. Don't like the combat in AC either, same kind of thing as far as I'm concerned.

Zero-Cool

I feel the opposite, I dont like the combat in devil may cry as it feels boring and disconnected just like you said for batman.

1 thing I will agree with you on is that assassins creed combat is absolutely crap!

snausages

sheehy83 wrote: »

I feel the opposite, I dont like the combat in devil may cry as it feels boring and disconnected just like you said for batman.

It isn't really though. Almost every frame of Dante's movement is under your control and there's a very broad range of possibilities in the way you can fight in those games, unlike Batman which is very samey across its 8-10 hour playtime. I won't get into a big rigmarole about it though. Different strokes etc

Big Knox

sheehy83 wrote: »

Without all the comic stuff and brilliant lore, it's still an excellent game with, imo, the best combat of any game this.

The Souls series and Bayonetta beg to differ! They're both on a completely different level than the combat in AA or AC.

Kirby

Big Knox wrote: »

The Souls series and Bayonetta beg to differ! They're both on a completely different level than the combat in AA or AC.

Ah here. Not having that. You know I'm a huge souls fan but the melee combat in Souls is much more simplistic. 95% of players spend their time holding block. You have regular attack, and power attack. In melee that's it. PVP is different but there isn't an NPC enemy in the entire game that can't be defeated by blocking and poking. Players often kite enemies, or get them stuck on terrain or just plain abuse glitches. Now, that's all in the nature of the game so it's acceptable, but it doesn't make it necessarily a good thing. Not to mention the animation is very clunky from a visual standpoint.

Batman's fighting is fast and fluid with the player engaging with over a dozen enemies at once being commonplace. You don't just have 2 different attacks like in Souls, you have dozens of abilities at your disposal. It looks incredible from a viewer standpoint with beautiful animations and when played on hard mode, there is no big yellow indicator for countering.....you have to use your own eyes and timing.

I agree with Sheehy. It has the best third person combat of any game. It's not perfect, but it's as close as any game has gotten.

Sarky

One of the things I loved most about Batman's combat was how up close and personal it was. You can swing shiny swords and summon magical powers all you like, and that's all well and good, but there's something beautiful and pure in the sight of seeing a man's shoulder getting brutally dislocated, or their head getting slammed into a balcony railing, without any screen-obscuring special effects getting in the way.

Big Knox

Kirby wrote: »

Ah here. Not having that. You know I'm a huge souls fan but the melee combat in Souls is much more simplistic. 95% of players spend their time holding block. You have regular attack, and power attack. In melee that's it. PVP is different but there isn't an NPC enemy in the entire game that can't be defeated by blocking and poking. Players often kite enemies, or get them stuck on terrain or just plain abuse glitches. Now, that's all in the nature of the game so it's acceptable, but it doesn't make it necessarily a good thing. Not to mention the animation is very clunky from a visual standpoint.

Batman's fighting is fast and fluid with the player engaging with over a dozen enemies at once being commonplace. You don't just have 2 different attacks like in Souls, you have dozens of abilities at your disposal. It looks incredible from a viewer standpoint with beautiful animations and when played on hard mode, there is no big yellow indicator for countering.....you have to use your own eyes and timing.

I agree with Sheehy. It has the best third person combat of any game. It's not perfect, but it's as close as any game has gotten.

2 attacks? I don't even know where to start...

Light attack
Heavy Attack
Numerous chain combos using both
2 handed light attack
2 handed heavy attack
Running 1 handed
Running 2 handed
Light attack from roll
Heavy attack from roll
Lunging 1 handed
Lunging 2 handed
Light attack from backstep
Heavy attack from backstep
Backstab
Parry / Riposte
Shield slam
Kick

All of the above are available with nearly all of them having completely different attacks, animations and hit detection for every different weapon in the game of which there are 60+ with unique movesets. All varying massively depending on the weapon type. Don't get me wrong I like the combat in AC but the depth and mechanics of the combat is what the Souls series is known and loved for and your post does it a massive disservice.

Anyway apologies for going off topic, I'll leave it at that.

snausages

Engaging with a dozen enemies at once is commonplace in any action game tbh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IKu27FLeg0

People give DMC4 a lot of stick for feeling like an incomplete game but I think it has the most satisfying and technically involving combat engine of any game released this gen.

cloud493

Warner Bros. Games Montreal has taken the mantle of the bat from Rocksteady Studios this time around for Batman: Arkham Origins. WB Montreal has full access to Rocksteady's custom modified Unreal engine to capture the look and feel of the Arkhamverse. As the title suggests, the game takes place years before both of the previous Arkham titles when a young, unrefined Batman encounters many supervillains for the first time. On our full cover image below, fans will recognize the assassin Deathstroke, who appears for the very first time in a core Arkham game.

Heading up the vision for Arkham Origins is creative director Eric Holmes, known for being the lead designer of open world action hits The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction and Prototype. A self-professed lover of comics, Holmes even wrote the miniseries Transformers: Megatron Origin for IDW.

Gamers won't have to wait long to experience Batman's lastest adventure. Batman: Arkham Origins releases October 25, 2013 on Wii U, Playstation 3, Xbox 360, and PC.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/04/09/may-cover-revealed-batman-arkham-origins.aspx

MitchKoobski

No pressure WB Montreal!

Marsden

I loved the Arkham games, but if the latest installment features the justice league or any of that rubbish I won't even acknowledge its existence.

humanji

So I guess they're not doing anything with all the loose ends from Arkham City?

Zero-Cool

Awww yeaaaaaaaahh

Gonna be the cover of Game Informer for May.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/04/09/may-cover-revealed-batman-arkham-origins.aspx







And from the vid below, the story sounds like "We have 8 of the worlds top assassins come to town on the same night, Christmas Eve, to kill the Bat" and it will be the first time Bats meets a lot of these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d0geMX4nWA

Penn

humanji wrote: »

So I guess they're not doing anything with all the loose ends from Arkham City?

That's the most annoying part for me. It's like they thought that the game had to have Arkham in the title, and had to have Joker in it (but they didn't want to do the comic book thing of bringing him back to life), so they felt they had to go with a prequel (rather than making a larger sequel to Arkham City and calling the game Gotham City).

The problem with prequels in game franchises too is that in terms of story, the protagonist should usually be less experienced and have lesser quality equipment, whereas the gamer is more experienced with better equipment.

After Arkham City, this is a definite "Shut up and take my money" purchase for me though. AC was a thoroughly fantastic game.

Mr Freeze

Sold!

Zero-Cool

If on multi platforms, this is the one game that would persuade me to get a PS4 on release day.

Can a Mod change the title to Batman: Arkham Origins please?

Also, it may not be Rocksteady but WB Games Montreal have access to all their tools for this game. Anyone know what other games WB Games have made?

That_Guy

Just take my money.