Horseburger’ Scandal: Did the Meat Originate in the U.S.?

drunkmonkey

Quote from article;

"This is an important concern, because the number of horses — and thus the amount of meat — coming out of the U.S., through the rest of North America, to Europe, is not small: 138,000 horses per year, according to a 2011 report by the Government Accountability Office, translating to 67 million pounds of meat per year "


The real scary thing is the meat from the US would nearly 100% contain bute, I find it very surprising that there's no mention of this factor in the Irish and UK press.
I think the department of Health should now be using a health warning for all imported meat products and I find it utterly disgusting and irresponsible that Simon Covney is claiming that imported meat is safe to eat.

Comigel are saying they only knew about the problem a few weeks ago, there really taking us all for fools and the departments are letting them away with it in the hope the scandal just disappears.

Full article here..

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/01/horse-meat-scandal/

I for one will be buying no meat of any kind besides from my local buther. I don't think the truth has even started to emerge about what's been happening, and going form that article if US and Mexican horse has been coming in its been for the last 5 years not just a bad batch as were being lead to believe.

bob charles

not so long ago (>10yrs) Phenylarthrite (PHENYLBUTAZONE) was allowable to be administrated to cattle. Not every horse would have phenylarthrite administrated, so is very wide of the mark to say 100% of horses. 138,000 horses a year is circa 50,000t of meat so not a massive amount in the grand scheme of things. Few facts not fiction

drunkmonkey

Your dismissing it as a thing of nothing, 100% maybe is OTT but 90% is about correct.
I find the American influence worrying, 150,000 horse is still a lot of burgers. That figure doesn't include Mexico, Canada, Argentina, Brazil or the rest of South America. I'd presume you could easily add a 0 if not two 00's to the 150,000.

Bute being legal 10 years ago is neither here or there. It doesn't take from the pollution in the food chain.

As I said all were getting half truths and a cover up on a global scale.

This story is the dirty little secret European government don't want to hear about, it would be great to see the truth get some traction in the press but there doesn't seem to be a publication brave enough to tell the truth.

Effects

There's an article over on the guardian saying its the mafia that's behind a lot of the problem.

allthedoyles

To say its the mafia , is only sensationalism for national newspapers .

This is greed on a wide scale by conglomerates , with only profit in mind .

Bizzum

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I find the American influence worrying, 150,000 horse is still a lot of burgers.

Presuming all horse meat ends up in burgers. My understanding, and I'm open to correction, is that the European market for horse meat would consist also of cuts of meat, unprocessed, sold as such.

I do think your concerns are valid though. It all links into the bigger picture of what's going on here. A premium Irish product, produced to exacting standards, being diluted by substandard adjuncts, and being passed off as 100% Irish.

drunkmonkey

Ahh ffs this Mafia thing is just lies upon lies, first it was the polish then the French then the Romanians and now the Italian mafia when will the lies stop it's sickening this meat is not some organised crime ring it's being shipped over legally from the Americas, the criminal gangs are the food producers not Mario & Luigi.
I want Coveneys head on a plate if he doesn't start telling the truth quickly.

mf240

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I want Coveneys head on a plate if he doesn't start telling the truth quickly.

Would you like fries with that!!

goat2

they have to know where it is coming from, after all there is a chain, say findus was getting their meat from a certain company 1, and that company1 was ordering from compan2,
i dont beleive there is a mafia involvement, but i think there is greed, lies, disrespect for consumers,
and i hope they find the culprit,

was it said that this horsemeat was packaged as beef when it got to findus.

what i would like to know is, what companies sell irish produce only, i know truely irish food is definately our own and is fab to eat, you can.

faral

according to latest hrose meat originated from Romania
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/09/world/europe/uk-horsemeat-probe/index.html

bb12

bob charles wrote: »

not so long ago (>10yrs) Phenylarthrite (PHENYLBUTAZONE) was allowable to be administrated to cattle. Not every horse would have phenylarthrite administrated, so is very wide of the mark to say 100% of horses. 138,000 horses a year is circa 50,000t of meat so not a massive amount in the grand scheme of things. Few facts not fiction

i have horses and compete in equestrian sports here and to be honest i'd be hard pressed to find a horse that had never been administered bute at one point in its life. it's usually the first port of call with an ill animal in painc and every horse owner would usually have a supply of it in their medicine chests

bob charles

bb12 wrote: »

i have horses and compete in equestrian sports here and to be honest i'd be hard pressed to find a horse that had never been administered bute at one point in its life. it's usually the first port of call with an ill animal in painc and every horse owner would usually have a supply of it in their medicine chests

And there is no use of any other NSAID used i.e.flunixin or Ketoprofen?

I wouldnt be a fan of our Minister for Ag but all he is doing is relaying information as it comes to hand. There are posters on here mixing up fiction and fact. They must enjoy Sundays when they have a serious choice of bull**** to read in the tabloids and a good few of the broadsheets.

drunkmonkey

Where's the fiction Bob?

goat2

minister for ag is new to the job, not long in there, no point blaming him,
i do think that he will clean up the lot, and that we can sit easy once they come to the end of this, and we can be certain that our meat is not tainted,
but at moment, all the tests have not been done, there could be more foods to come out with problem ingredients.
the minister for ag is new enough to the job, so, a new broom sweeps clean.

bb12

bob charles wrote: »

And there is no use of any other NSAID used i.e.flunixin or Ketoprofen?

I wouldnt be a fan of our Minister for Ag but all he is doing is relaying information as it comes to hand. There are posters on here mixing up fiction and fact. They must enjoy Sundays when they have a serious choice of bull**** to read in the tabloids and a good few of the broadsheets.

yes all manner of drugs are used but bute is widespread and the most commonly used one. the other issues of course is that they are now saying most of the horse meat has come from romania. this adds in other issues such as prevalent horse diseases in that country that are not present in ireland and the uk such as swamp fever which is a devastating disease for horses. this is prevalent in parts of europe like romania. there was a small outbreak of it here a few years ago due to illegally imported blood and it practically closed down the horse industry here until it was eradicated a few months later and lots of horses that tested positive for it had to be put down .

Effects

allthedoyles wrote: »

To say its the mafia , is only sensationalism for national newspapers .

This is greed on a wide scale by conglomerates , with only profit in mind .

Well they may say mafia but really mean organised crime.

goat2

i dont think this has anything to do with mafia,
just selfish money grabbing is at the heart of it