Breaking tradition

MagicSean

Travellers don't often make the news for good reasons but I thought this story was important.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2013/0202/1224329562778.html

I believe that being a traveller is a very restricive life in some ways and it is extremely difficult to break away from the negative aspects of the culture. This is even more so with traveller women unfortunately. I think the woman in this story deserves respect for going through court and keeping with this case until the end. I know many people won't understand how major a decision this would have been for her and the affects it could have on her life. I have no doubt she will have been ostracised by people in her community and likely by family members too just for standing up for herself and her children in the courts.

I just tought she deserved some recognition for this. Hopefully others will follow her lead and the violent feuding that is so prevelent in the traveller community can become a thing of the past.

Rasheed

Fair play to her, it must have been terrifying for her and her children.

Fromthetrees

The thing with travelers is they can take their childer out of school at 14 to get married and no one bats an eyelid, sure it's their culture after all. If someone in the 'settled community' did that to their children they would be in serious trouble. I smell double standards people.

Ihatecuddles-old

Imagine the pure terror that would hit you...

I can't be the only one wondering what her husband done! Nothing to deserve that anyway.

Absolutely savages. The children must have been so shaken.

Ihatecuddles-old

Fromthetrees wrote: »

The thing with travelers is they can take their childer out of school at 14 to get married and no one bats an eyelid, sure it's their culture after all. If someone in the 'settled community' did that to their children they would be in serious trouble. I smell double standards people.

What has that got to do with the article? The woman and her children were savagely attacked...

Fromthetrees

Ihatecuddles wrote: »

What has that got to do with the article? The woman and her children were savagely attacked...

I read the article and responded to the op. Did you read the op or was it just the article?

MonkstownHoop

i also read the article and can't see them mentioned as travelors?

carpejugulum

hear, hear

But why do the perpetrators in these stories always already have numerous convictions, some of them violent?
The judges need to stop accepting the 'troubled background' excuse after 1 or 2 convictions.

Ihatecuddles-old

Fromthetrees wrote: »

I read the article and responded to the op. Did you read the op or was it just the article?

I read both, it just seemed like you wanted to get a dig in about travellers. The thread was about the article, which you didn't refer to once.

We all know about travellers, and have our own opinions on them, bad or good. JUst didn't see how your post had anything to do with this thread.

Sofiztikated

Fromthetrees wrote: »

I read the article and responded to the op. Did you read the op or was it just the article?

To be honest, I don't see anything in the article about travellers. Yes, judging by the names, and the area, they probably are, but who knows.

MagicSean

Ihatecuddles wrote: »

I read both, it just seemed like you wanted to get a dig in about travellers. The thread was about the article, which you didn't refer to once.

We all know about travellers, and have our own opinions on them, bad or good. JUst didn't see how your post had anything to do with this thread.

The thread is about how the woman went the legal route instead of keeping it within the community and how difficult this would have been for her. The article is more about the actual case itself.

Sofiztikated wrote: »

To be honest, I don't see anything in the article about travellers. Yes, judging by the names, and the area, they probably are, but who knows.

There is an article in both the Sun and Herald for the same day in relation to a large public order incident between two traveller familes in the CCJ. This standoff is reported as being a result of the case and involving the same families. Unfortunately I can't open the articles but you can see them on google if you do a search.

Czarcasm

They were viscous bastards who carried out this attack, no question. What I can't help but wonder though is what the hell was this woman doing leaving a two year old child strapped into the car seat on their own while she took the eight year old in shopping??

Fromthetrees

Ihatecuddles wrote: »

I read both, it just seemed like you wanted to get a dig in about travellers. The thread was about the article, which you didn't refer to once.

We all know about travellers, and have our own opinions on them, bad or good. JUst didn't see how your post had anything to do with this thread.

This thread may be 'inspired' :rolleyes: by the above article but the op outlined what he thought and essentially that is what the thread is about.

I can't see us talking about the article with anything beyond what a terrible attack and how awful it is. It'd kinda defeat the purpose of a discussion board I would think if we can't expand past this.

First off, the title of this thread is 'Breaking Tradition'. The first couple of lines in the op mentions how it's a very restrictive life, talks about their culture and how this can have a disproportionate effect on women in that community. I responded by saying how the state turns a blind eye to travelers being taken out of school at a young age and being married off which I think is quite a valid point.

Death and Taxes

Fromthetrees wrote: »

The thing with travelers is they can take their childer out of school at 14 to get married and no one bats an eyelid, sure it's their culture after all. If someone in the 'settled community' did that to their children they would be in serious trouble. I smell double standards people.

Can we have a link to some evidence for that since apart from anything else nobody can legally marry at 14.

Annasopra

Fromthetrees wrote: »

The thing with travelers is they can take their childer out of school at 14 to get married and no one bats an eyelid, sure it's their culture after all. If someone in the 'settled community' did that to their children they would be in serious trouble. I smell double standards people.

No they can't. Legally you have to be 18 to marry.

Valetta

Fromthetrees wrote: »

The thing with travelers is they can take their childer out of school at 14 to get married and no one bats an eyelid, sure it's their culture after all. If someone in the 'settled community' did that to their children they would be in serious trouble. I smell double standards people.

Why did you refer to traveller children as "childer" and those of the settled community as "children"?

I smell bigotry and racism.

gurramok

Sofiztikated wrote: »

To be honest, I don't see anything in the article about travellers. Yes, judging by the names, and the area, they probably are, but who knows.

They are Travellers. Anyone who has an address as Dunsink Lane is a Traveller, there is only local authority Traveller accommodation on that road, both settled(Avila Park for example) and unsettled(halting site across the road).

By the way the incident happened in a Tesco car park.
Variations of the story
http://www.herald.ie/news/woman-targeted-in-gang-feud-tells-of-horror-attack-28965201.html
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-jailed-for-using-baseball-bat-to-attack-car-with-children-inside-570663.html
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cwcwkfeygbmh/rss2/
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/15-months-for-attack-on-car-with-baby-inside-28819388.html
http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/eru-called-in-as-thug-sent-down-for-attack-on-car-with-3-kids-inside-29045561.html

SuperGrover

Czarcasm wrote: »

They were viscous bastards...

Indeed, they have a very high resistance to flow.

Oranage2

MagicSean wrote: »

Travellers don't often make the news for good reasons but I thought this story was important.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2013/0202/1224329562778.html

I believe that being a traveller is a very restricive life in some ways and it is extremely difficult to break away from the negative aspects of the culture. This is even more so with traveller women unfortunately. I think the woman in this story deserves respect for going through court and keeping with this case until the end. I know many people won't understand how major a decision this would have been for her and the affects it could have on her life. I have no doubt she will have been ostracised by people in her community and likely by family members too just for standing up for herself and her children in the courts.

I just tought she deserved some recognition for this. Hopefully others will follow her lead and the violent feuding that is so prevelent in the traveller community can become a thing of the past.

hopefully it will show these women there are choices but in reality nothing will change.

And you said there is nothing worst a wife can do then to get her husband charged in traveler culture, she'll be no doubt shunned by the community, even by other women of domestic abuse.

But this making the papers won't change a thing just like the lady beaten to death in dundalk or the girl shot in Tallaght hasn't changed a thing.

Unfortunately its just part of travelers 'culture' for the men to go out and get drunk then come home smash up the place and beat the wife.

meoklmrk91

Fair play to the girl, it can't have been easy seeing as she was subject to threats and had her family's home burnt down over this. Many people would have backed down and you wouldn't blame them considering what she and her kids have been put through.

hardCopy

Is that the same Michael McDonagh who was in the press recently?

9959

Valetta wrote: »

Why did you refer to traveller children as "childer" and those of the settled community as "children"?

I smell bigotry and racism.

Your olfactory organ is in good working order.

Lollipops23

What kind of disgusting excuse for a human being smashes up a car with a baby inside and then belts the child's mother with a bat in front of them?!

Fair play to her for having enough trust in the law to see the case through all the way. Can't have been easy. I really hope there's no revenge attacks on her or her children.