Robin Van Persie - Is it time to sell?

moreau

Swiper the fox wrote: »

Initial fears of rotation were unfounded but his form went to pot, he's in ff teams to score goals, a few assists did not justify the price.

As a team United's attacking form went to pot. No criticism of RVP allowed after Monday.

Only joking:p, fair point re RVP's FF returns in this time period

keane2097

His average has been 7.25 points over the nine GWs, or 6 per GW if we want to arbitrarily ignore the one just gone for no good reason. His average over the entire season to date has been 7 points per GW.

If the question is "is it a good thing to drop RVP everytime he scores two points and get him back in when he scores 7 or more" then the answer is of course yes, but assuming most of us lack the clairvoyance to detect these micro variations in his form it's pretty obvious that his FPL returns over any decent sample are top class.

Iused2likebusts

Swiper the fox wrote: »

This thread was created on 4 February and the original point of it (I assume) was to judge if that was the time to sell him, the fact that he scored a penalty, offside goal in April before his hat trick the other night is only relevant in the context of everything that has happened in the last 11 or 12 weeks(for the purposes of this thread). On reflection and considering his performance the other night can we now finally answer the question- Was it the time to sell? It seems that iusedtolikebusts had it right all along, got rid of him and got him back at the right time. Initial fears of rotation were unfounded but his form went to pot, he's in ff teams to score goals, a few assists did not justify the price.

My thinking was there was no need to have him when the masses wouldnt captain him( fear of rotation and other players having doubles) but get him back in when he was the obvious captain choice.
It worked well but I did sell him before his 12 pt haul against everton(didnt think he would start) and then got him back in and made him captain against Reading(he got 2 pts).
I feel people that didnt have him against reading took a big risk and got away with it which gave them the encouragement to risk the DGW and home to Villa without him.
As you said previously the praise he gets is a bit much he does what you would expect a 13million striker to do. The fact theres no other expensive strikers doing the business this year and a load of sub 10 million mids performing highly has made the game very easy this year and people have been able to fit all the big hitters into their team. Id imagine the pricing next year will make this impossible.

moreau

Good point Keane, I kept RVP, but peoples thinking at the time was they had a player worth 14 mill who had rotation fears with CL and then also injury concerns (QPR match)

For some people it was unacceptable to have such an expensive player who is not an option for captain.

In this respect getting rid of RVP was justifiable IMO

keane2097

moreau wrote: »

Good point Keane, I kept RVP, but peoples thinking at the time was they had a player worth 14 mill who had rotation fears with CL and then also injury concerns (QPR match)

For some people it was unacceptable to have such an expensive player who is not an option for captain.

In this respect getting rid of RVP was justifiable IMO

Well it was if you believed that he was going to be rotated, but that was hardly clear cut either.

I remember a few weeks back, Ferguson made a statement that they would have to monitor his fitness, which people who were trying to convince themselves to get rid of him took to mean he was going to be in and out of the team, while ignoring another statement the very next day where Ferguson baldly stated that he wasn't going to bench him any time soon.

Swiper the fox

keane2097 wrote: »

His average has been 7.25 points over the nine GWs, or 6 per GW if we want to arbitrarily ignore the one just gone for no good reason. His average over the entire season to date has been 7 points per GW.

If the question is "is it a good thing to drop RVP everytime he scores two points and get him back in when he scores 7 or more" then the answer is of course yes, but assuming most of us lack the clairvoyance to detect these micro variations in his form it's pretty obvious that his FPL returns over any decent sample are top class.

I was only trying to contextualise this debate which I viewed initially as a snapshot in time at the beginning of Feb but is opened up on a weekly basis to prove some point or other. Berbatov for example has identical returns for the 8 week period you mentioned(I never meant for you to ignore this gameweek but since you did we'll go with that ). In that time he has played two games with ten men(good man Sidwell), perhaps Berba was overperforming from a FF view(I don't think so myself) but he's been available at less than half of Van Persies price for most of that time.
Clairvoyance is something none of us possess but to read the guff after Monday night it seemed that a Van Persie hat trick was no surprise to anyone, his recent form would suggest otherwise.
I sold RVP at the time and improved my team(on paper) massively, some of the moves worked, others didn't, the last few gameweeks have been a disaster because the usual suspects haven't performed, if this debate came up again next season in the same circumstances would I sell him again? I think I would, I think and thought that he isn't wasn't worth the money in comparison to some other players, there were a few players who have returned more points per game.

moreau

keane2097 wrote: »

Well it was if you believed that he was going to be rotated, but that was hardly clear cut either.

I remember a few weeks back, Ferguson made a statement that they would have to monitor his fitness, which people who were trying to convince themselves to get rid of him took to mean he was going to be in and out of the team, while ignoring another statement the very next day where Ferguson baldly stated that he wasn't going to bench him any time soon.

True, there was way too much speculation and no actual evidence of rotation.

keane2097

Swiper the fox wrote: »

I was only trying to contextualise this debate which I viewed initially as a snapshot in time at the beginning of Feb but is opened up on a weekly basis to prove some point or other. Berbatov for example has identical returns for the 8 week period you mentioned(I never meant for you to ignore this gameweek but since you did we'll go with that ). In that time he has played two games with ten men(good man Sidwell), perhaps Berba was overperforming from a FF view(I don't think so myself) but he's been available at less than half of Van Persies price for most of that time.
Clairvoyance is something none of us possess but to read the guff after Monday night it seemed that a Van Persie hat trick was no surprise to anyone, his recent form would suggest otherwise.
I sold RVP at the time and improved my team(on paper) massively, some of the moves worked, others didn't, the last few gameweeks have been a disaster because the usual suspects haven't performed, if this debate came up again next season in the same circumstances would I sell him again? I think I would, I think and thought that he isn't wasn't worth the money in comparison to some other players, there were a few players who have returned more points per game.

I think what it comes down to is that you're always going to be able to look back and point at a couple of games over a season where any player had a few games without blowing anyone away and say "should have sold him there", but with RVP even during his "should have sold him" stretch he was still returning very well.

If you sold him at the end of February and brought him back in three or four weeks ago you've done ok, but if you were selling him to never bring him back then you can't look back at a couple of weeks where he scored 6pg instead of 7pg and say you made a good call based on that couple of weeks because he's just smashed in 17(34) points the other night.

It's a long term game and anyone who sold RVP back in February and didn't bring him back in went from making an ok decision to making a pretty bad one the last night. If he doesn't score again till the end then it will probably edge back towards having been a decent decision.

The Gibzilla

Is anyone thinking of shipping him out now? League in the bag, Hernandez on the bench who's no doubt itching for some game time, Rooney more than likely looking to get a run out up front.

Hogey007

The Gibzilla wrote: »

Is anyone thinking of shipping him out now? League in the bag, Hernandez on the bench who's no doubt itching for some game time, Rooney more than likely looking to get a run out up front.

No, i have him and i'll be keeping him. partly due to a real lack of alternatives in strikers for big clubs and while there is decent shouts for lower priced strikers like benteke or sturridge i just wouldn't have enough transfers to re-invest the money in my team, i'd be taking 4 point hits or else leaving millions in the bank.
On the back of his 5 goals in 3 games i don't think now is the time to sell anyway, see how the next 2 games go, united will field strong teams versus arsenal and chelsea so i think he'll start both, but yeah, you'd expect hernandez to get 1 or 2 starts now but it may not be at the expense of RVP, i think he might start alongside him v chelsea.
Out of the 4 remaining games i'd expect him to start 3.
Like someone else already said, I'll be keeping him, i just won't be captaining him for fear of rotation and also because there's other very good captain choices for the next 3 gameweeks.

moreau

Hogey007 wrote: »

No, i have him and i'll be keeping him. partly due to a real lack of alternatives in strikers for big clubs and while there is decent shouts for lower priced strikers like benteke or sturridge i just wouldn't have enough transfers to re-invest the money in my team, i'd be taking 4 point hits or else leaving millions in the bank.
On the back of his 5 goals in 3 games i don't think now is the time to sell anyway, see how the next 2 games go, united will field strong teams versus arsenal and chelsea so i think he'll start both, but yeah, you'd expect hernandez to get 1 or 2 starts now but it may not be at the expense of RVP, i think he might start alongside him v chelsea.
Out of the 4 remaining games i'd expect him to start 3.
Like someone else already said, I'll be keeping him, i just won't be captaining him for fear of rotation and also because there's other very good captain choices for the next 3 gameweeks.

Spot on, you put in writing what's been going through my head

FutureGuy

Hogey007 wrote: »

No, i have him and i'll be keeping him. partly due to a real lack of alternatives in strikers for big clubs and while there is decent shouts for lower priced strikers like benteke or sturridge i just wouldn't have enough transfers to re-invest the money in my team, i'd be taking 4 point hits or else leaving millions in the bank.
On the back of his 5 goals in 3 games i don't think now is the time to sell anyway, see how the next 2 games go, united will field strong teams versus arsenal and chelsea so i think he'll start both, but yeah, you'd expect hernandez to get 1 or 2 starts now but it may not be at the expense of RVP, i think he might start alongside him v chelsea.
Out of the 4 remaining games i'd expect him to start 3.
Like someone else already said, I'll be keeping him, i just won't be captaining him for fear of rotation and also because there's other very good captain choices for the next 3 gameweeks.

My feeling is that he will start 3 games but be rested vs Chelsea. Hernandez loves playing Chelsea.

I'll probably keep him but bench him in the DGW. We'll see how things pan out.

deebag14

I think hernandez plays

Devia

Fergie plans to rotate - http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8671062

I've finally shipped RVP out anyway. Have my main league in the bag so taking a punt on a few differentials to try raise my overall standing. If RVP goes on a spree then so be it.

Cantona's Collars

Devia wrote: »

Fergie plans to rotate - http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8671062

I've finally shipped RVP out anyway. Have my main league in the bag so taking a punt on a few differentials to try raise my overall standing. If RVP goes on a spree then so be it.

He's saying now on United's official site that they "have a duty" to play their strongest XI.

moreau

zerks wrote: »

He's saying now on United's official site that they "have a duty" to play their strongest XI.

He said they have a duty to 'not to relax' not a duty 'to play strongest eleven'. Poor reporting on their site!

Nevertheless, I don't care for Fergie news, I won't be getting rid of RVP until I see evidence of a clear rotation policy of him

prettyboy81

RVP will start 2mo, no doubts!

km79

prettyboy81 wrote: »

RVP will start 2mo, no doubts!

Hopefully starts Sunday as well

prettyboy81

km79 wrote: »

Hopefully starts Sunday as well

Bad one there, hand slapped...Sunday RVP starts & gets his guard of honour!

Iused2likebusts

prettyboy81 wrote: »

RVP will start 2mo, no doubts!

Your like barca.No plan B ha

prettyboy81

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Your like barca.No plan B ha

Plan A for today & that's A for Agueeeerrrrrrooooooooo! Going for him this week RVP vice captain.

Iused2likebusts

prettyboy81 wrote: »

Plan A for today & that's A for Agueeeerrrrrrooooooooo! Going for him this week RVP vice captain.

nice move I was a little short of cash for getting him in.

Iused2likebusts

prettyboy81 wrote: »

Plan A for today & that's A for Agueeeerrrrrrooooooooo! Going for him this week RVP vice captain.

well played

prettyboy81

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

well played

Cheers still early in the GameWeek but good start for me.

Iused2likebusts

I think Im going to sell RVP again for Aguero. My thinking is rvp will start against Chelsea ,aguero should get 120 mins over the two games against easier opposition. With the league won , points record gone, golden boot in the bag Rvp will not start one of the remaining two games after that, whereas aguero has reading(there is a slight chance of him not starting its 3 days after cup final) and norwich(Ill capt him).
Like before when I sold rvp I wouldnt capt him for any of the remaining 3 gws (dont think the masses will either) so its not too much of a risk.

moreau

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I think Im going to sell RVP again for Aguero. My thinking is rvp will start against Chelsea ,aguero should get 120 mins over the two games against easier opposition. With the league won , points record gone, golden boot in the bag Rvp will not start one of the remaining two games after that, whereas aguero has reading(there is a slight chance of him not starting its 3 days after cup final) and norwich(Ill capt him).
Like before when I sold rvp I wouldnt capt him for any of the remaining 3 gws (dont think the masses will either) so its not too much of a risk.

I am leaving him, he will surely start against Chelsea and the H to Swansea is a good fixture. I am going to take a chance on him contributing here, and focus on getting Theo in GW37.

I plan on Aguero for RVP last game of season and like you prob captain him

prettyboy81

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I think Im going to sell RVP again for Aguero. My thinking is rvp will start against Chelsea ,aguero should get 120 mins over the two games against easier opposition. With the league won , points record gone, golden boot in the bag Rvp will not start one of the remaining two games after that, whereas aguero has reading(there is a slight chance of him not starting its 3 days after cup final) and norwich(Ill capt him).
Like before when I sold rvp I wouldnt capt him for any of the remaining 3 gws (dont think the masses will either) so its not too much of a risk.

I've decided that this is the time to offload RVP, I have him since GameWeek 2 but his season is going to be eased down now. Going to get in Sturridge to go with Aguero & Lukaku. Use the remaining money over last 2 Gameweeks.

deebag14

im going with Augero as captain

moreau

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I think Im going to sell RVP again for Aguero. My thinking is rvp will start against Chelsea ,aguero should get 120 mins over the two games against easier opposition. With the league won , points record gone, golden boot in the bag Rvp will not start one of the remaining two games after that, whereas aguero has reading(there is a slight chance of him not starting its 3 days after cup final) and norwich(Ill capt him).
Like before when I sold rvp I wouldnt capt him for any of the remaining 3 gws (dont think the masses will either) so its not too much of a risk.

My one remaining dilemma is whether I should sell RVP for Aguero for a 4 point hit.

I already have Tevez, and am concerned that Aguero and/or Tevez could play Swansea and then not appear or just cameos for the rest of the season?

Really torn on this one, as in some respects City strikers are just as susceptible to rotation/lack of motivation/cameos as RVP? (Taking all remaing GWs into consideration)

Iused2likebusts

moreau wrote: »

My one remaining dilemma is whether I should sell RVP for Aguero for a 4 point hit.

I already have Tevez, and am concerned that Aguero and/or Tevez could play Swansea and then not appear or just cameos for the rest of the season?

Really torn on this one, as in some respects City strikers are just as susceptible to rotation/lack of motivation/cameos as RVP? (Taking all remaing GWs into consideration)

I was going to sell rvp for aguero but like you I already have tevez aswell. I backed out of it because potentially both aguero and tevez will not start gw 37 v reading. I also have mata and hazard and cant see both of them start away at villa gw 37 4 days before europa league final particularly if they beat spurs midweek. I potentially worst case scenario would have been down up to 4 attacking players in GW37.
For that reason as things stand Im going to sell rvp for kone and not take a points hit giving me 8 dgw players.