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mentality in Ireland

  • 29-01-2013 12:50am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18


    Do other people agree with me that Irish people accept too easily the money grabbing advice from the drug dealers in the Irish Medical System?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Do people too easily trust the advice of people they've been conditioned all their life to believe are experts? No.

    Are those "experts" everything you said? Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭deadlybuzzman


    On a related note twice I've seen women prescribed antidepressants without hesitations for mild conditions. One took them 1 didn't. Turned out the cure was much worse than the sickness as the side effects and withdrawal symptoms were terrible and very dangerous. None of this was even mentioned at the time. "as far as I'm concerned everyone should be on them " was what the doctor said at the time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Do other people agree with me that Irish people accept too easily the money grabbing advice from the drug dealers in the Irish Medical System?

    What do you think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭all_smilz


    On a related note twice I've seen women prescribed antidepressants without hesitations for mild conditions. One took them 1 didn't. Turned out the cure was much worse than the sickness as the side effects and withdrawal symptoms were terrible and very dangerous. None of this was even mentioned at the time. "as far as I'm concerned everyone should be on them " was what the doctor said at the time

    AAAARGH!
    Have you got a definition of "mild conditions"... is a poor quality of life causing you to take yourself to a dr not "enough"? Should they be actively bleeding from slit wrists?

    OP- What exactly are you on about? that medics are peddling drugs to ppl unnecessarily? Take it to the Jim Corr foundation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭deadlybuzzman


    all_smilz wrote: »
    AAAARGH!
    Have you got a definition of "mild conditions"... is a poor quality of life causing you to take yourself to a dr not "enough"? Should they be actively bleeding from slit wrists?

    Mild enough that in both cases the condition did not present an immediate risk and was subsequently improved by the causes of the depression being tackled by the people themselves. This contrasted with how the doctors ignored the causes completely.
    And talking of slit wrists, one of the side effects was the bursts of suicidal tendencies and the stats on increased suicide rates of people on various anti depressants bears that out.
    These drugs arent happy pills to be handed out like sweets, they're powerful anti psych meds that have should be used to stop people killing themselves before starting other treatments. If your car was making a massive banging noise would you buy earplugs so you cant hear the banging or would you actually get it fixed?
    These drugs fix nothing they're only a stop gap.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    Do other people agree with me that Irish people accept too easily the money grabbing advice from the drug dealers in the Irish Medical System?

    That question is way too specific to answer, can you be a little more vague please!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    Do other people agree with me that Irish people accept too easily the money grabbing advice from the drug dealers in the Irish Medical System?

    We are a nation of drug addicts. Ever since the Celtic tiger we have turned our back on our roots and have become Americanized in every way imaginable, I can't tell you how much I despise what has happened to this country. We are becoming worse than Americans and I hate to admit becoming as dumb and blatant as they are in so many ways. I won't be surprised if you can grab a bunch a Irish youngsters today on the street and ask them to point out countries on the map most be like "whaaaaaaat I don't know"

    The Irish medical system, is a joke. I wouldn't even go as far as starting a rant on that, even though that is what this thread is about.... Not doing it.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    I think 8/10 people I see daily are on drugs and I think that’s a very low estimate. I could even say it's pretty much everyone since we are doped on so much fluoride in our water and some chemicals in our foods as well. Everyone is popping pills. Doctors are throwing out vaccines and anti depressants like it's for chicken food. The reason it's been done it's because the money it's making.

    What concerns is me is people do not realise that all drugs have side effects and each drug has it's own side effect and we are taking a multiple amount of different drugs that all can cause serious harm once mixed. The Irish medical board is not raising these subjects. Doctors are not been responsible. People are not been responsible for their own health. Anti depressants are harmful and don't actually do any good because the effects are temporary and do cause serious imbalances in our brains. Taking them causes brain damage and staying on them just keeps your brain complete mush. Even when Anti depressants were first invented, it was clearly stated they are not something to take for long term. Yet, our medical industry doesn't make this point known. People are been prescribed on these drugs for the rest of their lives. Our doctors don't take heed to this very important point or make awareness to how harmful this practice is and people are paying doctors to their job and they are not doing it correctly. It's ludicrous as to what is going on in this country.


    So again it goes back to my first we are doped on f**king drugs!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    I think 8/10 people I see daily are on drugs and I think that’s a very low estimate. I could even say it's pretty much everyone since we are doped on so much fluoride in our water and some chemicals in our foods as well. Everyone is popping pills. Doctors are throwing out vaccines and anti depressants like it's for chicken food. The reason it's been done it's because the money it's making.

    What concerns is me is people do not realise that all drugs have side effects and each drug has it's own side effect and we are taking a multiple amount of different drugs that all can cause serious harm once mixed. The Irish medical board is not raising these subjects. Doctors are not been responsible. People are not been responsible for their own health. Anti depressants are harmful and don't actually do any good because the effects are temporary and do cause serious imbalances in our brains. Taking them causes brain damage and staying on them just keeps your brain complete mush. Even when Anti depressants were first invented, it was clearly stated they are not something to take for long term. Yet, our medical industry doesn't make this point known. People are been prescribed on these drugs for the rest of their lives. Our doctors don't take heed to this very important point or make awareness to how harmful this practice is and people are paying doctors to their job and they are not doing it correctly. It's ludicrous as to what is going on in this country.


    So again it goes back to my first we are doped on f**king drugs!

    Is that you Jim Corr?? Why not keep this drivel to the conspiracy forum Jim.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Do other people agree with me that Irish people accept too easily the money grabbing advice from the drug dealers in the Irish Medical System?

    No. I think a lot of people are using the internet to self diagnose themselves and then exaggerate symptoms to get a script from GPs.

    I know people who have pulled this **** and have had more prescriptions of antibiotics in the last two years then I have had in my lifetime.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    No. I think a lot of people are using the internet to self diagnose themselves and then exaggerate symptoms to get a script from GPs.

    I know people who have pulled this **** and have had more prescriptions of antibiotics in the last two years then I have had in my lifetime.

    Good point. A large number of the public are idiots who instead of going to their Pharmacist and be told they have a flu and antibiotics don't work, insist on wasting 50-60e on a GP and demand a script because they've just paid for the visit.

    A GP can recommend/suggest a certain medicine if the patient insists on it (exaggerates their symptoms) but there is nothing forcing the person to take them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭daRobot


    To be fair, Irish GP's throw out Anti depressants like they're candy. Five minute visit, 60 euro, here's your script, NEXT.

    One of my best friends told his GP that he was a bit down these days. He ended up getting a script, and staying on them.

    But this is a guy who is very overweight, eats absolute processed junk, does zero exercise, has no job, and drinks at least a bottle of wine daily (which turned him into a madman with the pills)

    Throwing Lexapro at a case like him is not the answer, yet this is common from what i've seen. I actually fell out with the guy attempting to gently tell him that other matters in his life may have a contributing factor.

    I of course understand, that there's people who are genuinely clinically depressed, and need these drugs, but I believe they're a small percentage of people who are on them. It should be a far more holistic process of elimination, ie cutting out the things that are bad for you until you feel better. After those avenues have been explored, then start looking at medication.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭cc87


    Its a lose lose situation for GPs though. They arent trained to give diet advice really and generally not much on exercise either.
    Those that do give advice on it are reliant on the patient actually following that advice, this doesnt generally happen and the GP gets the blame for no improvement in the patients situation.

    Whereas, while i do think people are over-medicated, GPs know what will happen (in most cases) when prescribing medication.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Certain individuals in the health and fitness industry is a bit partial to handing out pill and potions for every ailment as well, while most have absolutely no effect (insert comebacks with dubious bro-science below).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    Certain individuals in the health and fitness industry is a bit partial to handing out pill and potions for every ailment as well, while most have absolutely no effect (insert comebacks with dubious bro-science below).

    Like who exactly? The only people entitled to prescribe drugs are medical doctors which is what the OP is based on.

    What ailments are treated by people in the fitness industry exactly?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Plenty of places will sell you supplements, micro nutrients, tests and diagnosis for any ailment. Cant sleep take this magnesium, sore joints take this special fish oil that free of the poison in other fish oil supplements etc.

    Know chaps spending a fortune on non food supplements, and been party to some outrageous claims about the ailments that can be treated. (testosterone deficiency, oestregen deficiency, arthritis, poor digestion, depression etc) all by simply taking some branded tablets. Been told doctors know nothing and are a waste of time and that quackery is the way to go....always along with a referral to an affiliated person (oesteopath, holistic practioneer etc) who give kickbacks.

    While I believe that diet and exercise will help a lot of these things, the selling of unnecessary supplements is rife. And the advice to not take prescription medication given by doctors is plain dangerous.

    Charles Poliquinn and his acolyte's are the worst offenders in my opinion. And certain chain weight loss gyms are all about upselling the products.

    In light of the OP claims of money grabbing, people are quick to call out doctors (who get no money from a prescription) about prescribing medications that actually have an effect, but anything seen as natural or healthy but has no effect is fine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    .

    Charles Poliquinn and his acolyte's are the worst offenders in my opinion. And certain chain weight loss gyms are all about upselling the products.

    Have you ever seen his supplement videos?

    AIDS patients take a smaller cocktail of pills then what he recommends.

    Can I talk to you about this new idea called oil pulling? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭cc87


    Have you ever seen his supplement videos?

    AIDS patients take a smaller cocktail of pills then what he recommends.

    Can I talk to you about this new idea called oil pulling? :pac:

    This was just posted yesterday........

    http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/967/My_Supplement_Plan_for_2013.aspx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭brownej


    cc87 wrote: »

    WTF?
    How many acronyms can you fit into your mouth in a day?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    Plenty of places will sell you supplements, micro nutrients, tests and diagnosis for any ailment. Cant sleep take this magnesium, sore joints take this special fish oil that free of the poison in other fish oil supplements etc.

    Know chaps spending a fortune on non food supplements, and been party to some outrageous claims about the ailments that can be treated. (testosterone deficiency, oestregen deficiency, arthritis, poor digestion, depression etc) all by simply taking some branded tablets. Been told doctors know nothing and are a waste of time and that quackery is the way to go....always along with a referral to an affiliated person (oesteopath, holistic practioneer etc) who give kickbacks.

    While I believe that diet and exercise will help a lot of these things, the selling of unnecessary supplements is rife. And the advice to not take prescription medication given by doctors is plain dangerous.

    Charles Poliquinn and his acolyte's are the worst offenders in my opinion. And certain chain weight loss gyms are all about upselling the products.

    In light of the OP claims of money grabbing, people are quick to call out doctors (who get no money from a prescription) about prescribing medications that actually have an effect, but anything seen as natural or healthy but has no effect is fine.

    People are not being forced to buy supplements, they choose to do so.

    The OP claims Doctors are pushing drugs unnecessarily on people.

    People don't need to take these either. They choose to.

    It's called choice. We all have it. If some people are foolish enough to buy certain products, let them off. It's their money/mind/health/body.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    ebixa82 wrote: »
    People are not being forced to buy supplements, they choose to do so.

    The OP claims Doctors are pushing drugs unnecessarily on people.

    People don't need to take these either. They choose to.

    It's called choice. We all have it. If some people are foolish enough to buy certain products, let them off. It's their money/mind/health/body.

    Exactly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    ebixa82 wrote: »
    Is that you Jim Corr?? Why not keep this drivel to the conspiracy forum Jim.

    There is a stupid mentality in Ireland, and responses like that proves it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    There is a stupid mentality in Ireland, and responses like that proves it.

    Like many of them that have gone before, this post of your's makes no sense whatsoever.

    There is a "stupid mentality" to what exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,706 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    There is a stupid mentality in Ireland, and responses like that proves it.

    You are correct. The fluoride in tap water is doping everybody. Keep drinking bottled water and you will be safe.

    Regards,

    Mr Ballygowan


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Mineral water contains often higher level of naturally occurring fluoride in unregulated amounts. From a fluoride POV tap water is safer as the amount of fluoride and other trace elements is strictly controlled.

    The beneficial effects of fluoride were discovered by looking at areas where it naturally occurred in the water (from drainage through fluoride containing rocks). At certain levels it causes dental problems (flourosis), below certain level it does nothing, but there is a goldilocks range where it drastically reduces dental decay in children and has no bad effects. Just like the water its in, its a dose related poison.

    The tinfoil in the hats the anti fluoride people wear is causing more bad effects, leaching aluminium-tetra-quackinium into the ears :). The argument about mass medication of a population is a more valid argument than anything based on safety.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    daRobot wrote: »

    One of my best friends told his GP that he was a bit down these days. He ended up getting a script, and staying on them.
    Friends often tell doctors things that they won't tell friends... he may say to you that he's "a bit down" he may be more frank with his doctor.
    I know by the time I was telling friends that I was seeing the doctor because I was a bit down i was miles past a bit down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    ebixa82 wrote: »
    Like many of them that have gone before, this post of your's makes no sense whatsoever.

    There is a "stupid mentality" to what exactly?

    That is because you don't have common sense. Which is precisely why you made the stupid comment about Jim Corr.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    Mineral water contains often higher level of naturally occurring fluoride in unregulated amounts. From a fluoride POV tap water is safer as the amount of fluoride and other trace elements is strictly controlled.

    Oh here we f****king go again. The fluoride in our water is NOT the same as the fluoride they add into our waters. Calcium fluoride which is relatively unharmful in small amounts and occurs in water so minuscule that it has little impact on our health or bodies. Calcium fluoride is less harmful than sodium fluoride. There is no safe amount Sodium fluoride when it's added to our tap water because there is no limit to how much water you drink and consume. Especially given when you think that it's added to all your cooking, hot drinks, and also foods that have been made with sodium fluoride. Sodium fluoride has NO benefit to the body whatsoever. It is pure poison for riddance sakes. If you want to have strong bones and teeth, calcium fluoride would do better and even at that, it's not as good as other minerals such as Boron, Magnesium, Phosphorus and calcium itself. Those minerals is what the bones and teeth need, not Sodium fluoride. Sodium fluoride is poisonous. All countries in Europe have taken it out of their water now apart from a small pocket of places in Spain and UK. With so much knowledge and awareness about this subject it won't be long before it will be stopped there.
    The beneficial effects of fluoride were discovered by looking at areas where it naturally occurred in the water (from drainage through fluoride containing rocks). At certain levels it causes dental problems (flourosis), below certain level it does nothing, but there is a goldilocks range where it drastically reduces dental decay in children and has no bad effects. Just like the water its in, its a dose related poison.
    lol.
    The tinfoil in the hats the anti fluoride people wear is causing more bad effects, leaching aluminium-tetra-quackinium into the ears :). The argument about mass medication of a population is a more valid argument than anything based on safety.

    Now that proves your incapability of showing proper intelligence on this subject when you have to retort to the immature manner like that above. Your behaviour is actually embarrassing and nail in the coffin to your case.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kiffer wrote: »
    Friends often tell doctors things that they won't tell friends... he may say to you that he's "a bit down" he may be more frank with his doctor.
    I know by the time I was telling friends that I was seeing the doctor because I was a bit down i was miles past a bit down.

    There's a joke around where I live about there being a lot less riding and a lot more stress this weekend because a person died. He was getting viagra, ADs, tranquilisers and a few other and selling them on. He must've been really down to sell them instead of taking them?

    Different doctors are different, one I know gives ADs as soon as depression is mentioned, others won't. Ask different women about going on the pill and some will tell you how much a doctor didn't want them to, others will be straight on it with barely a reference to other possible contraceptives. Have a look around Dublin at empty sedative blister-packs on the ground.

    But if you think you can just walk into a chemist's and get codeine you've another thing coming. :pac:


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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    Oh here we f****king go again. The fluoride in our water is NOT the same as the fluoride they add into our waters. Calcium fluoride which is relatively unharmful in small amounts and occurs in water so minuscule that it has little impact on our health or bodies. Calcium fluoride is less harmful than sodium fluoride. There is no safe amount Sodium fluoride when it's added to our tap water because there is no limit to how much water you drink and consume. Especially given when you think that it's added to all your cooking, hot drinks, and also foods that have been made with sodium fluoride. Sodium fluoride has NO benefit to the body whatsoever. It is pure poison for riddance sakes. If you want to have strong bones and teeth, calcium fluoride would do better and even at that, it's not as good as other minerals such as Boron, Magnesium, Phosphorus and calcium itself. Those minerals is what the bones and teeth need, not Sodium fluoride. Sodium fluoride is poisonous. All countries in Europe have taken it out of their water now apart from a small pocket of places in Spain and UK. With so much knowledge and awareness about this subject it won't be long before it will be stopped there.


    lol.



    Now that proves your incapability of showing proper intelligence on this subject when you have to retort to the immature manner like that above. Your behaviour is actually embarrassing and nail in the coffin to your case.
    What effects of the poison should I be feeling after such massive exposure?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭metamorphosis


    Aquarius34 ... make your argument by all means, right or wrong - it doesn't matter ... however attack thee post not the poster, lose the cocky and plain rude attitude, manners costs nothing, same to everyone else.

    Lets play nice people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    Aquarius34 ... make your argument by all means, right or wrong - it doesn't matter ... however attack thee post not the poster, lose the cocky and plain rude attitude, manners costs nothing, same to everyone else.

    Lets play nice people.

    I attacked the post, not the poster. I seen one poster attacking and labeling people in a harsh manner, which was not nice at all. My first response on this thread on topic and a poster came oona and attacked me personally. You might have forgotten.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    What effects of the poison should I be feeling after such massive exposure?

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/369614-symptoms-of-sodium-fluoride-poisoning/

    *Cancer
    *Genetic DNA Damage
    *Thyroid Disruption - affecting the complete endocrine system and leading to obesity
    *Neurological - diminished IQ and inability to focus, lethargy and weariness.
    *Alzheimer's Disease
    *Melatonin Disruption, lowers immunity to cancer, accelerates aging, sleep disorders.
    *Pineal Gland, calcification, which clogs this gland located in the middle of the brain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭MrPain


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/369614-symptoms-of-sodium-fluoride-poisoning/

    *Cancer
    *Genetic DNA Damage
    *Thyroid Disruption - affecting the complete endocrine system and leading to obesity
    *Neurological - diminished IQ and inability to focus, lethargy and weariness.
    *Alzheimer's Disease
    *Melatonin Disruption, lowers immunity to cancer, accelerates aging, sleep disorders.
    *Pineal Gland, calcification, which clogs this gland located in the middle of the brain.

    That link does not mention a single thing you listed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 LemonWorld


    ebixa82 wrote: »
    Good point. A large number of the public are idiots who instead of going to their Pharmacist and be told they have a flu and antibiotics don't work, insist on wasting 50-60e on a GP and demand a script because they've just paid for the visit.

    A GP can recommend/suggest a certain medicine if the patient insists on it (exaggerates their symptoms) but there is nothing forcing the person to take them.

    Completely agree with this. Another point I think worth noting is that people are more often than not actually offered other drug-free options, but prefer to take the drug-route because it's easier.

    Take something like Type 2 Diabetes as a case in point. It's evident that lifestyle changes (ie exercise and diet modifications) are much more effective in preventing the incidence of the disease in high risk patients, than the first-line drug offered, Metformin (See Knowler et al., 2002 NEJM). And even though plenty of medics do their best to try hammer home this point to patients, the fact remains that changing your diet and increasing your exercise is just way harder than taking a pill everyday.

    Medics are then faced with the dilemna of knowing that if they don't prescribe the drugs the patient still probably won't change his/her lifestyle and thus would effectively be left untreated (with the obvious potential for serious consequences), or prescribe and hope that it's at least better than nothing at all :(

    Clearly, the example I've used doesn't apply to every illness. I'm also not trying to say that all doctors are perfect, but some people could do with being held a bit more accountable for taking care of their own health too!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    MrPain wrote: »
    That link does not mention a single thing you listed.

    He asked me the symptoms and I gave a list that I wrote. If you read the link you'd see that most of the symptoms are explained on it. But I see you haven't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    LemonWorld wrote: »
    C

    Clearly, the example I've used doesn't apply to every illness. I'm also not trying to say that all doctors are perfect, but some people could do with being held a bit more accountable for taking care of their own health too!


    Every illness has a cure and and every illness can be cured. Every illness is what you have created and inflicted on your own body. Your health is your responsibility. Of course you have to be accountable for your own health. Why should someone else be accountable? The only cases where others are accountable is if they poison you or cause harm to your health.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 LemonWorld


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    Every illness has a cure and and every illness can be cured. Every illness is what you have created and inflicted on your own body. Your health is your responsibility. Of course you have to be accountable for your own health. Why should someone else be accountable? The only cases where others are accountable is if they poison you or cause harm to your health.

    I'm not sure whether or not you've taken my point as I intended it to be understood?

    I was referring to the previous poster's comment on people who insisted on taking antibiotics for a virus, even though their use in that instance is completely redundant, and I followed it on by elaborating on the way that for some illnesses certain people ignore the drug-free intervention and opt for meds because they simply find it easier.

    The OP asked if people are too willing to accept advice from Irish medical professionals, but I basically think that it's more of a case that people will only accept that advice they want to hear.

    Your assertion that "every illness has a cure and every illness can be cured" is baffling though :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    LemonWorld wrote: »
    Your assertion that "every illness has a cure and every illness can be cured" is baffling though :confused:

    Thats the core problem about this planet, people are baffled by the obvious.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/369614-symptoms-of-sodium-fluoride-poisoning/

    *Cancer
    *Genetic DNA Damage
    *Thyroid Disruption - affecting the complete endocrine system and leading to obesity
    *Neurological - diminished IQ and inability to focus, lethargy and weariness.
    *Alzheimer's Disease
    *Melatonin Disruption, lowers immunity to cancer, accelerates aging, sleep disorders.
    *Pineal Gland, calcification, which clogs this gland located in the middle of the brain.

    Well the things that I can be fairly sure about at this point in my life none have happened other than obesity. Nice to know it's not down to my diet though!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    Well the things that I can be fairly sure about at this point in my life none have happened other than obesity. Nice to know it's not down to my diet though!

    You have all the symptoms if you are taking fluoride. Fluoride makes you docile, dopey and it causes brain damage. Therefore people are not aware of the problems that is happening in the body. The only way to know you're not getting fluoride posioning is to detox your body. Note when you were a child you could remember dreams and seemed to have very strong gut and a psychic sense about things. We lose that as we get older due to the brain damage. Drinking alcohol and eating processed foods also aggravates problems. When we ingest heavy metals it going straight to our brain and it builds up in our bodies over the course of our lifetime.

    We are al getting DNA damaged, and it's time to repair your DNA. Otherwise you'll start aging.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    Well the things that I can be fairly sure about at this point in my life none have happened other than obesity. Nice to know it's not down to my diet though!

    Cancer isn't something that happens by magic, it's an imbalance created in your molecular body. All cancers can be cured and corrected once you restore the right balance back into your body.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭deadlybuzzman


    LemonWorld wrote: »
    people are more often than not actually offered other drug-free options, but prefer to take the drug-route because it's easier.

    Really? thats very interesting-do you have any cochrane reviewed stats on that or are you in every doctors surgery taking notes? because I know personally 2 cases out of 2 that were offered drugs and drugs only, not only that but no follow up cognitive therapy or anything else for that matter.
    Just get them doped up on zombie pills and forget about them, its not the patients that take the easy option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 LemonWorld


    Really? thats very interesting-do you have any cochrane reviewed stats on that or are you in every doctors surgery taking notes? because I know personally 2 cases out of 2 that were offered drugs and drugs only, not only that but no follow up cognitive therapy or anything else for that matter.
    Just get them doped up on zombie pills and forget about them, its not the patients that take the easy option.

    To be fair I think you took that quote out of context. It was in reference to T2DM, which you can find plenty of info on if you'd like. I also said at the end of that post that this doesn't apply to every illness, including depression. Basically, I was replying to different posters on different issues.

    I actually agree with what your saying about GPs over-prescribing stuff like benzos. Muiris Houston did a good article on it recently.

    http://www.medicalprotection.org/ireland/casebook-september-2012/Safe-prescribing-benzodiazepines


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    The fluoride in our water is NOT the same as the fluoride they add into our waters.

    This pretty much sums up the intellectual capacity of this kid Aquarius.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    ebixa82 wrote: »
    This pretty much sums up the intellectual capacity of this kid Aquarius.

    Your rudeness and ignorance sums you up as to who you are... How unthoughtful of you to try mis read what I had stated and what should already be obvious if you had read my earlier post's. There are two types of fluoride. One is NATURAL occurring calcium fluoride and the other is CHEMICAL WASTE sodium fluoride that is added to our water after. Two very different forms of fluoride. If you had intelligence, you'd already know this. So yeah, keep trying to look all wishy washy smart with your one liner attacks.

    My sincere apologies for you missing that obvious point.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭ebixa82


    Aquarius34 wrote: »
    Your rudeness and ignorance sums you up as to who you are...

    Please elaborate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I have a massive distrust of the medical community in general and the psychological community in particular. As I posted in a thread on AH the other day about kids being drugged and diagnosed with ADD for basically acting like natural kids, the definition of "normal" in psychology these days is so narrow that a "normal" person is probably one in a million.

    I'm genuinely frightened for the next generation of kids, who because they prefer to use their energy and kick footballs around than sit still for long periods, will be up to their heads in adderall and other medication. It's terrifying. Apparently we basically now medicate people for not being robots. :confused:

    Before anyone attacks me for saying I have a general distrust of the medical community, let me tell you how I was majorly let down by them twice in my life - once with potentially life threatening consequences.

    First the small stuff: Like a lot of teenage lads I developed unsightly gynecomastia when I was around 9 or 10 years old (started puberty much earlier than most of my friends, ironically it's apparently my high testosterone that indirectly led to the puffy nips). Was told time and again that they'd go away on their own. I'm now 23 and I still have a chest that looks as if I should be obese, even though I'm lean everywhere else, with irritating pointy glands underneath. :mad:
    I'm one of the lucky ones, it's the kind of gyno which disappears if I'm cold, but it's still something that drives me insane particularly knowing it could have been treated when I was younger.

    Secondly, I was born with hydrocephalus, which is basically a blocked 'drain' in the skull, preventing CSF (essentially the water your brain floats in) from flowing through it effectively. I have a shunt for it which blocked up in 2006, leading to the most unbearable headaches day in, day out - when I say unbearabe, most days I couldn't get out of bed. Essentially missed an entire year of my life, school, friends, everything.
    Went to multiple doctors about it. Time and again I was blamed for the pain. I didn't get enough exercise, I didn't eat right, I watched too much TV, I didn't drink enough water, my posture was bad, I was stressed about school, my bedroom was untidy so the dust was irritating me - you name it. Any excuse to tell me it was all my fault.
    Finally, after a year and a half of fighting, I lost consciousness and was brought into A&E, where they did a CT scan and discovered that my brain was basically being crushed by the high water pressure. Put in a new shunt and I haven't had a headache since.

    So yeah - honestly, there are a lot of good medical professionals out there but there are also a vast multitude of totally inept ones who are doing unbelievable damage to society in my view. I read of a similar case in the UK a few weeks ago where a baby died from an infection or something like that, but when the mother tried to get him examined she was told she was "hysterical" and to just give him some calpol and shut up :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Aquarius34


    I have a massive distrust of the medical community in general and the psychological community in particular. As I posted in a thread on AH the other day about kids being drugged and diagnosed with ADD for basically acting like natural kids, the definition of "normal" in psychology these days is so narrow that a "normal" person is probably one in a million.

    What's more frightening is that people labelled Autistic, ADD, and eccentric are actually the most intelligent of kids. Society wants to dumb down these children because of their difference to struggle to the curriculum. The idea is to get kids in line and follow the rules. Society want's obedient children. Society wants Obedient workers. Society want's an obedient herd of sheep to depend on the system so hopelessly to the point that they cannot live without it.

    These highly imaginative hyper children don't bend over to the rules. Society will view this as a "problem". They are a problem to the society and it's structure, so they get labelled a problem. They use the argument that if they don't abide the rules is then perceived that they are bold and dysfunctional. They are not dysfunctional. They are children. They are unique and they are free spirits. Children are not the problem, society is the problem.

    If you look at the last three generations, you will see now that children of all sorts have of illnesses now and "labels" on them. The number of labels are sky rocketing. Children are been categorized and segregated on every scale. I'll tell you what it is, it's child abuse. Children should not be treated like this at all. It's barbaric and immoral. It's seriously damaging their mental and psychological wellbeing.
    I'm genuinely frightened for the next generation of kids, who because they prefer to use their energy and kick footballs around than sit still for long periods, will be up to their heads in adderall and other medication. It's terrifying. Apparently we basically now medicate people for not being robots. :confused:
    I feel your frustration. :( But what you can do is to encourage children to be who they are and get the word out as much as you can. Raise awareness that all these drugs are the problem and it's not the kids themselves. Stop forced vaccinations. Stop all the unnatural drugging to our children. Use your examples and teach people from the life you have lived. You will inspire many. You're story shows how you;ve struggled with it. There are so many others who are struggling too, who could benifet from hearing your experiences.

    The awareness needs to get out now.

    We don't need this synethic system to live and exist for on this world. The last few generations has seen humanity moving into a bubble of complete delusion. We are living in a delusion illusion state of living where by we depend on things that are so unnatural to us to the point that we ourselves don't live according to what we are naturally supposed live out our lives as. Everything in our society is so out of touch and out of balance. Is it any wonder why humanity today is so sick, ill and tortured by greed, destruction, abuse and fear?!


    Before anyone attacks me for saying I have a general distrust of the medical community, let me tell you how I was majorly let down by them twice in my life - once with potentially life threatening consequences.

    Don't worry about the attacks. What you are saying makes perfect sense and it is really what is going on in our society. It's been going on for quite a long time and it's actually quite sinister as to what is going on.

    People care about $$$ and nothing else
    Secondly, I was born with hydrocephalus, which is basically a blocked 'drain' in the skull, preventing CSF (essentially the water your brain floats in) from flowing through it effectively. I have a shunt for it which blocked up in 2006, leading to the most unbearable headaches day in, day out - when I say unbearabe, most days I couldn't get out of bed. Essentially missed an entire year of my life, school, friends, everything.
    Went to multiple doctors about it. Time and again I was blamed for the pain. I didn't get enough exercise, I didn't eat right, I watched too much TV, I didn't drink enough water, my posture was bad, I was stressed about school, my bedroom was untidy so the dust was irritating me - you name it. Any excuse to tell me it was all my fault.
    Finally, after a year and a half of fighting, I lost consciousness and was brought into A&E, where they did a CT scan and discovered that my brain was basically being crushed by the high water pressure. Put in a new shunt and I haven't had a headache since.

    So yeah - honestly, there are a lot of good medical professionals out there but there are also a vast multitude of totally inept ones who are doing unbelievable damage to society in my view. I read of a similar case in the UK a few weeks ago where a baby died from an infection or something like that, but when the mother tried to get him examined she was told she was "hysterical" and to just give him some calpol and shut up :(

    Sorry to hear about your difficulty with this. I think a lof of people can relate to this and having scenarios where they were too also severely let down by the system. But self awareness and self knowledge is ultimately the backbone to living a life that we can live and stand for ourselves. The more aware we are the more choices we have. The more choices we realise we have the free-er we become. When we realise this and seek knowledge we can live a life much more interdependently and of course live a life healthily too. Knowledge is power. The more knowledge we have the less we have to depend on any system that is outside of ourselves.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,892 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Right, I've locked this thread for 2 reasons:

    1. This is not a conspiracy theory forum

    2. People in the thread are refusing to be civil to one another.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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