RTE Breakfast Show - Morning Edition

iseegirls

Surprised I haven't heard much about this over the past few months, apart from when i saw it in the TV mags yesterday.

9:00am Monday - Friday
Morning Edition
New series. A mix of news, sport, business, topical discussion and entertainment, presented by Keelin Shanley. Includes Weather

Starting 2 hours later than Ireland AM i don't really see it being too much of a competition, but is there really an audience from between 9am and 11am?

emeraldstar

I wouldn't call it a breakfast show if it starts at 9am, tbh!

Lapin

iseegirls wrote: »

New series. A mix of news, sport, business, topical discussion and entertainment, presented by Keelin Shanley. Includes Weather.

Sounds original !

HPMan1

testbed for a Mux2 Breakfast 6am=9am tv?

iseegirls

emeraldstar wrote: »

I wouldn't call it a breakfast show if it starts at 9am, tbh!

:rolleyes:

Spon Farmer

Does anyone know who the first guest on the show?

It was mentioned on RTE News earlier this week and I'm racking my brain to remember.

I won't be around on Monday and this will drive me mad.

brian_t

Spon Farmer wrote: »

Does anyone know who the first guest on the show?

It was mentioned on RTE News earlier this week and I'm racking my brain to remember.

Shanley’s prerecorded 20-minute interview with Microsoft chairman Bill Gates will be cut into two segments for Monday’s debut, “then if anyone wants to watch the full interview, it will be on News Now”, says Murnane

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2013/0126/1224329298897.html

brian_t

Spon Farmer

Thanks. Fortunately a good nights sleep put the question out of my head, but it could easily have resurfaced so cheers

DEFTLEFTHAND

Christ! as Brendan Behan said lets hand the keys back over to the British with an apology note..

jjf1974

Its a bit like an early edition of the six one news .

Lapin

Only caught a brief glimpse of it at the end during the gambling interview.
I wish it the best of luck. Perhaps this is an attempt by RTÉ Television to test the water with a view towards getting up earlier and going head to head with TV3.

I think there is room for a more news and current affairs based programme between 7 and 9 without any of the recipes, parenting tips and gardening time fillers found on existing Breakfast TV shows.

But perhaps RTÉ would see it as competition against itself as Morning Ireland over on Radio 1 would most likely come under the biggest threat from such a show.

One (well two) little quibbles about the small part of Morning Edition I did see earlier. The programme title on permanant display on the bottom left hand corner of the screen is overly large and just in case you don't notice it, it pulses every few seconds to remind you what you are watching. Very annoying.

Also, why the need for the clock? Was there always a clock on the screen between 9 and 11 in the morning? If not, why have one there now? A clock is useful pre 9AM as most households are in that busy rush out the door to work or school. But for many of those who watch TV after 9, the clock is just a needless gimmick, handy only as a reminder for how long is until Dr. Phil begins.

As I said, I wish Morning Edition luck, and hope it serves as a precursor for a real breakfast TV news programme that ends rather than begins at 9AM.

mike65

Lapin wrote: »

But perhaps RTÉ would see it as competition against itself as Morning Ireland over on Radio 1 would most likely come under the biggest threat from such a show.


As I said, I wish Morning Edition luck, and hope it serves as a precursor for a real breakfast TV news programme that ends rather than begins at 9AM.

Morning Edition is clearly scheduled not to clash with Morning Ireland (imagination at a premium in RTE!) as for genuine breakfast telly on RTE they really are not well placed to try such an undertaking. Doing it properly takes considerable resources.

baalthor

There's nothing very breakfasty about it. Maybe if Keelin wore pyjamas or something ...

squonk

I haven't seen it but I wish it well. I had the misfortune to be in a doctor's waiting room a few weeks back around 11AM and the telly on the wall was tuned into TV3. I'm not sure if it was a repeat of their breakfast show or just what they normally have at that hour of the morning but it was complete and utter drivel. Mark Cagney was a presenter. In the 20 minutes I was waiting I was treated to such epic TV moments as what the ladies are wearing now that the weather is a bit colder, what the weather is doing right now on the bridge opposite the four courts and some promo OB from a ski resort. The inane banter from all and sundry really was the clincher however. Christ it made VB and Talifornia look award winning!

Mr E

Squonk: I have removed a comment you made about Mark Cagney - pretty horrible thing to say, tbh...

ongarboy

Was too lazy to get up for it but caught the abbreviated 20 minute edition on Player. I thought it odd, that in the abbreviated version, they would broadcast the tech failure of that Midlands song report as well as some other continuity flaws. Surely they would have presented the cleaner parts of the edition on the condensed Player version.

The business news presenter majorly fluffed up the currency rates (incorrectly specifying the dollar and especially the sterling rate (97 pence instead of 87 pence to the euro). The camera lingered on her as she realised her mistake without correcting it - that was a little cringey to watch.

Overall though, it seems like a good addition to RTE programming. It is clearly a news show and not a breakfast/lifestyle show. Shanley is a more than competent presenter so the show is in capable hands with her at the helm.

squonk

Mr E wrote: »

Squonk: I have removed a comment you made about Mark Cagney - pretty horrible thing to say, tbh...

Fair enough. I actually have a lot of time for Mark Cagney and my comment was ill advised but based on his having to anchor a show containing such rubbish driving him nuts, rather than wishing any ill will to the man. It was more a comment on the extremely low quality of the items on the show rather than something aimed at Mark himself.

ongarboy

squonk wrote: »

Fair enough. I actually have a lot of time for Mark Cagney and my comment was ill advised but based on his having to anchor a show containing such rubbish driving him nuts, rather than wishing any ill will to the man. It was more a comment on the extremely low quality of the items on the show rather than something aimed at Mark himself.

In fairness to Ireland AM, it is bubblegum for the brain and I don't mean that as a criticism. A lot of people who are up in the morning and rushing to get ready for work or get the kids ready for school don't want hard hitting or heavy news or drama as they will be facing enough of that for the rest of the day at work etc. Lightweight fare like Ireland AM meets that requirement. Those who prefer something more highbrow or heavy hitting can choose Morning Ireland on radio (or maybe this new Morning Edition) as well as Sky News etc.

Ireland AM is no more frothy or intense than any of the UK breakfast/lifestyle morning shows out there and has served it's niche well for 10 plus years. It's not my cup of tea either but no point in complaining about something that is never going to be my preferential choice- I'd say I've watched it less than 10 times in those 10 years but I get what it's about and a rare fair dues to TV3 rather than RTE for introducing Irish breakfast TV to Ireland.

icdg

Its an odd programme. It looks and feels like a breakfast show (if in the BBC Breakfast News mould rather than Daybreak or Ireland AM) but is airing at 9:00am, when breakfast time is finishing up. It certainly doesn't feel like daytime TV. It seems to be the breakfast show RTÉ should have made twenty years ago, but in a completely wrong timeslot.

calex71

Wow I know it's day 1 and all but really grainne seoige dodged a bullet on this one from the looks of it

Might be like wine and mature with time , but for now the 20 minute loop on rte news now channel is better than it lol.

Go Harvey Go

icdg wrote: »

It looks and feels like a breakfast show (if in the BBC Breakfast News mould rather than Daybreak or Ireland AM).

BBC Breakfast these days is very much like the original Breakfast Time of 1983 - it's neither that much less frothy than the offerings from ITV or TV3, nor that much more intense.

It was a hard news service in the late '80s and early '90s, though, as this video demonstrates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NohPtZC3Fv8

Having watched most of the first episode of this new show, I've only two real issues with it:

(1) The pulsating programme title that Lapin described earlier,

(2) Keelin sitting at one end of the desk - which made the handovers to other presenters, and handbacks to her, rather jarring, especially when guests were in shot. Wouldn't it make more sense for her to sit at the middle of the desk?

Lapin

mike65 wrote: »

..........as for genuine breakfast telly on RTE they really are not well placed to try such an undertaking. Doing it properly takes considerable resources.

Would it really cost that much more to air this programme 2 hours earlier? Morning Ireland may lose a few listeners (mainly between7.30 and 8.30) but I reckon it would gain more viewers from TV3 and the UK channels. Would the extra advertising revenue resulting from those extra viewers would help cover additional costs ?

I still think Morning Edition is a kite flyer for a proper Breakfast TV news programme, and its pushing all the right buttons so far from what I've seen. And apart from that annoying title banner, I can't find much to fault it.

Go Harvey Go wrote: »

(2) Keelin sitting at one end of the desk - which made the handovers to other presenters, and handbacks to her, rather jarring, especially when guests were in shot. Wouldn't it make more sense for her to sit at the middle of the desk?

It does look a bit like the set up on Tonight with Vincent Browne over on TV3. In fact, when they were previewing today's papers a few minutes ago I couldn't help thinking about seeing the same papers covered in a similar manner on the VB programme. And that was 10 hours ago - Last night.


I had to have a little giggle at Hanly when introducing the American astronaut a few minutes ago. "You're the first astronaut we've ever had in this studio".

AnnaStezia

Write the death certificate for this programme now.......

Go Harvey Go

AnnaStezia wrote: »

Write the death certificate for this programme now.......

You're probably not alone in wanting Morning Edition axed so soon - but you're probably not speaking on behalf of a large number of people, either.

Just about everyone else who has posted on this thread so far is willing to give this show a chance.

expectationlost

logo is horrible, but keep on screen time, always use sky to check time

Zeek12

Just saw this for the first time today. It's really mundane stuff.
Its hard to understand why RTE would see the need for a programme like this. There were a few fairly light and "fluffy" pieces sandwiched in between news updates every 30 minutes from John Finnerty. Not surprisingly the headlines did'nt change once, and the poor guy literally had to repeat himself word-for word every time!
Pointless:rolleyes:
I noticed some of the pieces were just re-run on the Six-one news later on.
Begs the question, what's the point of this show exactly??

Elmo

The show is really devised for RTÉ News Now. RTÉ can't advertise on that channel and are also limited in the amount of money the can spend on RTÉ News Now.

Zeek12

Fair enough. It seems much more suitable for Rte News Now.
So why run it on Rte1 aswell?

mickd

The country is simply too small to sustain a news program like this not enough happens as for world affairs there are better offerings out there

Elmo

mickd wrote: »

The country is simply too small to sustain a news program like this not enough happens as for world affairs there are better offerings out there

I don't believe this to be true to be honest. Especially when you look at Some international news channels that repeat a lot of the same stuff over and over again. I agree that RTÉ should provide at least one world news programme, even if it is provided by another news service.

But last week we had the Horse meat problem and the Anglo Irish deal, so for a small country there was huge amount to talk about. But news is like that you have weeks when nothing happens.

Fair enough. It seems much more suitable for Rte News Now.
So why run it on Rte1 aswell?

They are budgeting the show from RTÉ One rather then from News Now and RTÉ One also carries advertising.

periodictable

Just seen it for the first time-what a waste of Keelin Shanley's talent and ability.
She was reading newspaper headlines such as the plot of "Love/Hate" about someone coming back to life after a gun attack....and last week she had a fascinating report on Prime Time concerning drug use in Ireland.

Elmo

periodictable wrote: »

Just seen it for the first time-what a waste of Keelin Shanley's talent and ability.
She was reading newspaper headlines such as the plot of "Love/Hate" about someone coming back to life after a gun attack....and last week she had a fascinating report on Prime Time concerning drug use in Ireland.

They need to mix her Prime Time report in with Morning Edition even if it might not be for morning view. Just notice it's only on until 10:30?? On a day off now for a repeat of As Time Goes By. Get the **** up elmo!

Go Harvey Go

Bump!

As Morning Edition takes a break for the summer, it looks like interest in it has all but disappeared.

Not at all surprising, seeing as it's exactly the same as it was when it started five months ago...

The programme title at the bottom right-hand corner of the screen hasn't stopped pulsating, Keelin hasn't been moved from the left end of the desk, the handovers to other presenters and handbacks to her haven't been made any more comfortable - and even the times of the regular items haven't been changed.

The impression I get is that everyone involved has just been going through the motions - pretty much unwilling to take even the smallest, cost-free risks...

And I can't see that impression changing much - or interest growing again - when the show returns in September.

expectationlost

somebody is watching it right?

Skid X

Keelin is good, the programme is decent enough, but the biggest problem is the scheduling.

There just isn't an audience for a mid morning/late breakfast extended news show. The thinking seems to be "We want a Breakfast News TV Show, but we can't have it on opposite Morning Ireland. So we'll put it on afterwards."

They should broadcast the show from 7-9 a.m. and go head to head with the Radio, it might even give Morning Ireland a kick up the arse.

expectationlost

multicast multicast multicast

Go Harvey Go

Skid X wrote: »

There just isn't an audience for a mid morning/late breakfast extended news show. The thinking seems to be "We want a Breakfast News TV Show, but we can't have it on opposite Morning Ireland. So we'll put it on afterwards."

And they probably don't give a toss that the BBC have been more than happy to have a breakfast news TV show opposite Radio 4's Today programme for 30 years... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

They should broadcast the show from 7-9 a.m. and go head to head with the Radio, it might even give Morning Ireland a kick up the arse.

And it would offer proper competition to Ireland AM in that slot, too.

But, as I said, I can't see much changing when it returns from its summer break...

evilivor

Skid X wrote: »

Keelin is good, the programme is decent enough, but the biggest problem is the scheduling.

There just isn't an audience for a mid morning/late breakfast extended news show. The thinking seems to be "We want a Breakfast News TV Show, but we can't have it on opposite Morning Ireland. So we'll put it on afterwards."

They should broadcast the show from 7-9 a.m. and go head to head with the Radio, it might even give Morning Ireland a kick up the arse.

Unions won't let them was always the excuse/reason as to why RTE never had a morning tv offering.

The service would involve 5.30am starts and that represented a change in work practices according to SIPTU.

Last time they tried it RTE management was insistent on tying the introduction of TV self-editing technology to the launch of breakfast TV, a move to which SIPTU in particular had objections - that was a long time ago now.

There were also rows involving NUJ and SIPTU over early starts, lengths of shifts, rostering and staffing levels.

Go Harvey Go

Bump again!

So, what has changed on the show since my last post?



































































































The answer is the exact same as the one to Edwin Starr's question about war. :rolleyes:

Yes, Morning Edition has now been on the air one year - and still the timetable is in original condition, still Keelin sits at the left end of the desk, still the programme title pulsates at the bottom of the screen, et cetera et cetera... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If the producers and editors (which include the otherwise respectable Anthony Murnane) are so unwilling to make even the slightest alteration to the show, then to use a cliché, why are they even bothering?

That said, Keelin does seem to enjoy presenting it - and one can't fault her for that.

ben.schlomo

Go Harvey Go wrote: »

Bump again!

So, what has changed on the show since my last pos
The answer is the exact same as the one to Edwin Starr's question about war. :rolleyes:

Yes, Morning Edition has now been on the air one year - and still the timetable is in original condition, still Keelin sits at the left end of the desk, still the programme title pulsates at the bottom of the screen, et cetera et cetera... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If the producers and editors (which include the otherwise respectable Anthony Murnane) are so unwilling to make even the slightest alteration to the show, then to use a cliché, why are they even bothering?

That said, Keelin does seem to enjoy presenting it - and one can't fault her for that.

Surely its main plus point is that its not Ireland AM. So much more watchable for the 15mins i have in the morning.

Go Harvey Go

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Surely its main plus point is that its not Ireland AM. So much more watchable for the 15mins i have in the morning.

That and Keelin are probably the only plus points about the show.

I'm not sure whether or not RTE actually want to compete with Sinead, Alan, Mark and Aidan - but even if they don't, that still doesn't mean that it's right to let Morning Edition plod away without making the tiniest change to any part of it...

Skid X

As I said before, I think the unanswered question is why is the programme on from 9am-11am?

It has never been a 'hard news' slot on Television. I think RTE don't want to go head to head with Morning Ireland on Radio 1.

It seems like a decent enough programme but I've never heard anyone talking about it. They should either move it to 7-9 or 12-2 (where they could call it Afternoon Edition, or something).

For Reals

I have never seen it. May I just say, anything is better than 'Young Doctors' or 'Flying Doctors' or 'Shortland Street' repeats, which as I recall is all that time slot offered.

Go Harvey Go

Skid X wrote: »

As I said before, I think the unanswered question is why is the programme on from 9am-11am?

It has never been a 'hard news' slot on Television. I think RTE don't want to go head to head with Morning Ireland on Radio 1.

It seems like a decent enough programme but I've never heard anyone talking about it. They should either move it to 7-9 or 12-2 (where they could call it Afternoon Edition, or something).

So RTE seemingly don't want to compete with Ireland AM, and they seemingly don't want to lose any of their precious Morning Ireland listeners to their own first TV channel... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

(And again, "Do we look like we give a fúq about how the BBC goes about this time of the day?" :rolleyes:)

It doesn't look like they give a fúq, either, about how many people talk about the show. If they did, then surely they'd want plenty of people to talk about it - for the right reasons, of course - and thus they'd be willing to make changes to it as required...

As for why it's on from 9-11? It's quite likely that they feel that no other slot suits them better.

Any earlier, and it clashes with Cathal Mac Coille and co. 10-12 or 11-1, and "It's too close to the One O'Clock News - and also what do we do with Dr Phil, Shortland Street, Doctors and Telly Bingo?" 12-2 or 1-3, and "Then we have to get rid of the One O'Clock News - and also what do we do with the Australian soaps, the EastEnders and Fair City repeats, and Today?"

Ah, the mindsets of the folks at Montrose... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I presume they'll let Morning Edition trudge on until the summer - and if they bring it back again in the autumn, it'll still be trudging, with the start time still 9am, the programme title still pulsating, Keelin still sitting at the left end of the desk, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...

jjf1974

Is there any viewing figures for Morning edition. I imagine they would be low as I don't know anybody that watches television at that time.

thesaurus2

Is it really true that the reason it's not on at, like 6am is the RTE TV Unions wont work that early?

Skid X

thesaurus2 wrote: »

Is it really true that the reason it's not on at, like 6am is the RTE TV Unions wont work that early?

No, that's a myth.

Grainne Seoige said that in an interview once and made enemies of the RTE Production team

http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/around-town/furious-rte-staff-hit-back-at-grainne-after-stars-workshy-jibes-27990067.html

Incidentally, RTE had a pilot Breakfast TV Show way back in 1984 (during the Los Angeles Olympics). Michael Lyster and Moya Doherty were the presenters.

thesaurus2

Skid X wrote: »

No, that's a myth.

Grainne Seoige said that in an interview once and made enemies of the RTE Production team

http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/around-town/furious-rte-staff-hit-back-at-grainne-after-stars-workshy-jibes-27990067.html

Incidentally, RTE had a pilot Breakfast TV Show way back in 1984 (during the Los Angeles Olympics). Michael Lyster and Moya Doherty were the presenters.

Wow, I wonder is that why she's not getting much work.

Would love to see Michael Lyster do something non-sporting. He always comes across as the type of lad you'd happily drink pints with.

Skid X

thesaurus2 wrote: »

Wow, I wonder is that why she's not getting much work.

Would love to see Michael Lyster do something non-sporting. He always comes across as the type of lad you'd happily drink pints with.

I remember an interview with Michael a while back. He said for a while he was the 'flavour of the month' in RTE and he got asked to present all sorts of programmes, including the Irish Disco Dancing Championships !

He was smart enough to realise that RTE have a tendency to lose interest in those type of presenters very quickly, so he should stop trying to be a 'Jack of all trades'. He got involved in The Sunday Game soon afterwards and has been there ever since.

But as you said, he has a great personality and it would be interesting to see him do something different (maybe another Breakfast Show!). Although he has some health problems recently so maybe he's happy enough doing the Sport.

evilivor

Skid X wrote: »

No, that's a myth.

Myth or not it certainly used to be the case.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/rte-sleeps-out-breakfast-television-call-26139581.html