student placement

kevthegaff

well lads was ringing gurteen agg college about getting a student for a couple of months(they have to get back to me), does anyone have any info on whether im too late, wages, do i have to be a member of teagasc

whelan1

i have rang ballyhaise a few times and they never got back to me, have to laugh as the lads around here that take students are mostly pricks that would only be in it for the slave labour;)

kevthegaff

whelan1 wrote: »

i have rang ballyhaise a few times and they never got back to me, have to laugh as the lads around here that take students are mostly pricks that would only be in it for the slave labour;)

i agree, they must be in with the lads!

delaval

kevthegaff wrote: »

well lads was ringing gurteen agg college about getting a student for a couple of months(they have to get back to me), does anyone have any info on whether im too late, wages, do i have to be a member of teagasc

1 you're too late all students placed
2 €122 for 35 hr week
3 Almost certain you need to be in Teag
4 Waste of time calling college as Teag have a placement officer whom you should contact

When talking to pacement officer do not tell him/her ' how busy you are and how you really need help ';););)
Your function is to train student;););););)

whelan1

delaval wrote: »

1 you're too late all students placed
2 €122 for 35 hr week
3 Almost certain you need to be in Teag
4 Waste of time calling college as Teag have a placement officer whom you should contact

When talking to pacement officer do not tell him/her ' how busy you are and how you really need help ';););)
Your function is to train student;););););)

spoke with placement officer, he said they really needed winter milk herds, never heard back... so am i supposed to beg?

delaval

Whelan
We were contcted by UCD last year to take on ag's for years placement, didn't suit at the time. Most seem to go to NZ for work placement, but quiet a few want to stay near home for variuos reasons. I''m sorry I can't give you a name to contact but perhaps some one here may be able to help.

bob charles

delaval wrote: »

1 you're too late all students placed
2 €122 for 35 hr week
3 Almost certain you need to be in Teag
4 Waste of time calling college as Teag have a placement officer whom you should contact

When talking to pacement officer do not tell him/her ' how busy you are and how you really need help ';););)
Your function is to train student;););););)

who came up with the figure of €122 for 35hr week? I was on €250 to €300 a week many moons ago on placement. With such a wage it will attract the total wrong type of placement farmer who our future farmers should be working for. I would be embarrassed to have a kid working for €3.50 an hour for me. But I know plenty of useless guys who wouldnt give you a penny more than the €122 a week,

whelan1

bob charles wrote: »

who came up with the figure of €122 for 35hr week? I was on €250 to €300 a week many moons ago on placement. With such a wage it will attract the total wrong type of placement farmer who our future farmers should be working for. I would be embarrassed to have a kid working for €3.50 an hour for me. But I know plenty of useless guys who wouldnt give you a penny more than the €122 a week,

yet teagasc seem happy to stick with the same old same old

rs8

dont lie whelan you want cheap labour :L! €122 isnt much and id say alot of the farms you would be doged

whelan1

rs8 wrote: »

dont lie whelan you want cheap labour :L! €122 isnt much and id say alot of the farms you would be doged

have had students here on placement for a few years that where doing the practical leaving cert, tbh they got close enought to 122 euro for a day and a halfs work... you get what you pay for treat them right and they will treat you right in return..... think we have a fair bit to offer them here as we do grassland measurement etc.....

Conflats

delaval wrote: »

Whelan
We were contcted by UCD last year to take on ag's for years placement, didn't suit at the time. Most seem to go to NZ for work placement, but quiet a few want to stay near home for variuos reasons. I''m sorry I can't give you a name to contact but perhaps some one here may be able to help.

Bridget Lynch is the person in UCD she is in charge of the placement for the animal and crop students

farming93

Personally I had a terrible experience on my first Placement, I learnt absolutely nothing and spent about 85% of my time on the farm doing the worst jobs that the farmer would leave from when he had his last student, which suited him very well since I was only on 122.50 for a 35 hour week! Also cleaning up a farmers garden is not work experience and I done 4 solid weeks of that. To be fair to some farmers, from speaking to a few friends who also done placement some farmers genuinely want to help develop the student into a better farmer. It all depends on how lucky you are when you get paired with your farmer I suppose...

whelan1

rang ballyhaise again tday , all placements have been done and dusted for this year

delaval

bob charles wrote: »

who came up with the figure of €122 for 35hr week? I was on €250 to €300 a week many moons ago on placement. With such a wage it will attract the total wrong type of placement farmer who our future farmers should be working for. I would be embarrassed to have a kid working for €3.50 an hour for me. But I know plenty of useless guys who wouldnt give you a penny more than the €122 a week,

We pay €300/week and prsi etc. The student will be able to milk, measure and budget grass, stomach tube a calf, de horn, calve a cow, tag a calf all the basic stuff. We've had guys here from fairly high profile farms who had not a clue. He will attend a discussion group every month while here. Our guy spent last Tuesday at an AHI calf rearing event...so we're not all useless:)

Student pays to go to college one could argue that they should pay for proper training.

MOOVAN

bob charles wrote: »

who came up with the figure of €122 for 35hr week? I was on €250 to €300 a week many moons ago on placement. With such a wage it will attract the total wrong type of placement farmer who our future farmers should be working for. I would be embarrassed to have a kid working for €3.50 an hour for me. But I know plenty of useless guys who wouldnt give you a penny more than the €122 a week,

When i was an FAB first year student in the 90's we got £70 a week for working all week and got home every 5 weeks for a weekend. Food and a bed included. How much does a student need, pay them too much for a pathetic 35hrs and they'll arrive monday morning hungover after the weekend unable to learn anything.
I have huge issues with the some of the farmers being given students,A big farm is too busy to train in a student and only use students as slaves.
Also students need to willing to learn and not messers.

funny man

whelan1 wrote: »

rang ballyhaise again tday , all placements have been done and dusted for this year

will be next week!

whelan1

funny man wrote: »

will be next week!

no he said everything was orgainised, it was a brush off

loveta

bob charles wrote: »

who came up with the figure of €122 for 35hr week? I was on €250 to €300 a week many moons ago on placement. With such a wage it will attract the total wrong type of placement farmer who our future farmers should be working for. I would be embarrassed to have a kid working for €3.50 an hour for me. But I know plenty of useless guys who wouldnt give you a penny more than the €122 a week,

Have had students for the last number of years and from what ive heard "and seen 1st hand" some are not worth the colour of E122 a week. I done my 3 months in the 90s 80 hrs a week half f*@king starved for 50 quid a week :mad:. I have found the guys that has a weekend job or nixer going for them self s are the best there use to turning up to work and cant take instructions. As for the wages i pay according to the guy if hes good and willing he wont be going home with E124 a week, but to be honest if they is not good i dont really want them, stuff is to expensive to be breaking or stock to be not managed to its best!!

funny man

wouldn't agree, i take a student every year (didn't when they had to get agri wage). when they come here it's to learn and they get to see every aspect of my business including financials. they all get a easy jobs to start with and then more responsibility as i see fit. they are young and they are coming to you for experience not for hard graft.

Conor556

funny man wrote: »

wouldn't agree, i take a student every year (didn't when they had to get agri wage). when they come here it's to learn and they get to see every aspect of my business including financials. they all get a easy jobs to start with and then more responsibility as i see fit. they are young and they are coming to you for experience not for hard graft.

They come to learn and if they want to learn they have to try everything not just do the handy jobs they dont arrive into the yard with a suit and briefcase, if they want to farm then they need experience in hard graft aswell and they usually expect that! IMO

clarecowboy

I have had students for the past two years and all went very well on both sides. However there seems to be a shortage of students in my area this year and there is none available. I really need someone to help with milking/calf rearing/feeding etc for the next two months, maybe just 3 to 4 hours per day, 5 days per week. Anybody any ideas on where to get help? I cannot provide accomodation.

freedominacup

clarecowboy wrote: »

I have had students for the past two years and all went very well on both sides. However there seems to be a shortage of students in my area this year and there is none available. I really need someone to help with milking/calf rearing/feeding etc for the next two months, maybe just 3 to 4 hours per day, 5 days per week. Anybody any ideas on where to get help? I cannot provide accomodation.

Put an ad in your local shop you'll be beating guys away with a shovel.

st1979

freedominacup wrote: »

Put an ad in your local shop you'll be beating guys away with a shovel.

And if u get a bad one just beat him over the head with the shovel.

loveta

whelan1 wrote: »

no he said everything was orgainised, it was a brush off

I have been at the "host farmer" meetings in ballyhaise since i started getting students and from what i can gather there are places in there catchment areas that have a over supply of students eg the N.W "My area" where if your set up getting a student is pretty straight forward, BUT areas like mid/ east meath there are already more farmers than students so there might lie your problem whelan1:(

funny man

clarecowboy wrote: »

I have had students for the past two years and all went very well on both sides. However there seems to be a shortage of students in my area this year and there is none available. I really need someone to help with milking/calf rearing/feeding etc for the next two months, maybe just 3 to 4 hours per day, 5 days per week. Anybody any ideas on where to get help? I cannot provide accomodation.

look close to home, there is usually someone farming with no other employment. find out if they are a good operator on their own farm and if they are go offer them a job on a temporary basis to start with. from experience women are more reliable and better at attention to detail in general.

funny man

anybody interested in giving students work erperience should fill out the host farmer form, pay the €100 and make sure their Health & Safety statement is in place.

clarecowboy

Thanks Funny man. I think thats the way i will have to go this year. Who knows, i might just find the perfect man for the job on a long term basis. How much do u reckon i should offer moneywise?

funny man

hard to put a price on it, too many variables experience, ability and initiative and so on.

degetme

rang pallaskenry today looking to get registered to take a student. was informed teasagc deal with placements. is it who you know to get a student now a days?

blackdog1

degetme wrote: »

rang pallaskenry today looking to get registered to take a student. was informed teasagc deal with placements. is it who you know to get a student now a days?

You can get students who are non nationals from Germany, France Spain etc from a company called white in Ireland but they don't generally stay around for 9 months like ag students

degetme

blackdog1 wrote: »

You can get students who are non nationals from Germany, France Spain etc from a company called white in Ireland but they don't generally stay around for 9 months like ag students

I wouldn't have the work for nine months. its more like nine weeks im looking for a helping hand

Carrigogunnell

degetme wrote: »

I wouldn't have the work for nine months. its more like nine weeks im looking for a helping hand

It's a 12 week placement middle of February to May it was 6 yrs ago when I was there. It's cheap labour if u get a good one like me ðŸ˜

degetme

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

It's a 12 week placement middle of February to May it was 6 yrs ago when I was there. It's cheap labour if u get a good one like me ðŸ˜

I did the exact same in spring 08. was getting 300e for 4 days. I hear there paying them feck all now with a few years. maybe that's why its so hard to get one.

Carrigogunnell

degetme wrote: »

I did the exact same in spring 08. was getting 300e for 4 days. I hear there paying them feck all now with a few years. maybe that's why its so hard to get one.

What collage did u go to. I might be wrong but was something like €120 or €150 not much more. It should not be to hard there are a lot of students now it mite be harder to get farmers in fairness I would think their is a lot of paper work involved.

degetme

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

What collage did u go to. I might be wrong but was something like €120 or €150 not much more. It should not be to hard there are a lot of students now it mite be harder to get farmers in fairness I would think their is a lot of paper work involved.

pallaskenry. there's a good few dairy farmers locally with spring students so they will be looked after. mite give teasagc a call. a good lad is invaluable.

Carrigogunnell

degetme wrote: »

pallaskenry. there's a good few dairy farmers locally with spring students so they will be looked after. mite give teasagc a call. a good lad is invaluable.

I was there in 08 to John mc Carty is gone theres a new guy in since last year big changes to the farm all the cows sold and buying in new herd. Best thing ring them and see wat they say apply if u can and see how u get on

degetme

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

I was there in 08 to John mc Carty is gone theres a new guy in since last year big changes to the farm all the cows sold and buying in new herd. Best thing ring them and see wat they say apply if u can and see how u get on

I heard the holestins were going. did you start there in Sept 07

Carrigogunnell

degetme wrote: »

I heard the holestins were going. did you start there in Sept 07

No September 08 ur 07 just re read post. Ya there's a good few gone alright not sure how manys left there going buying in all heifers replacement jerseys x I think. a lot of rumours going around that teagasc have it rented for the next 10 years and putting in a rotary palour the new principal is local enough and is a former teagasc advisor.

red bull

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

No September 08 ur 07 just re read post. Ya there's a good few gone alright not sure how manys left there going buying in all heifers replacement jerseys x I think. a lot of rumours going around that teagasc have it rented for the next 10 years and putting in a rotary palour the new principal is local enough and is a former teagasc advisor.

1971. 80 British friesians, Gascoygne herringbone 8 units, liquid milk to Limerick Dairies in 10 gallon milk cans.

Carrigogunnell

red bull wrote: »

1971. 80 British friesians, Gascoygne herringbone 8 units, liquid milk to Limerick Dairies in 10 gallon milk cans.

That's was a nice size herd back then.

red bull

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

That's was a nice size herd back then.

40 spring and 40 autumn calving as far as I remember

C0N0R

Carrigogunnell wrote: »

What collage did u go to. I might be wrong but was something like €120 or €150 not much more. It should not be to hard there are a lot of students now it mite be harder to get farmers in fairness I would think their is a lot of paper work involved.

€120 for a 35 hour week, after that it's up to the student and farmer to sort it out.

Deepsouthwest

degetme wrote: »

rang pallaskenry today looking to get registered to take a student. was informed teasagc deal with placements. is it who you know to get a student now a days?

I'd say ur chances of getting a student are v slim at this stage. Host farmers training meetings are on this wk and nxt wk. Also u need to be vetted and have a health and safety inspection on ur farm. Apparently there's a waiting list of around 500 to get a student, at least that's what I heard last yr.
It's not as easy as picking up the phone and ordering a small donkey for ur busy period nxt Spring!

frazzledhome

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I'd say ur chances of getting a student are v slim at this stage. Host farmers training meetings are on this wk and nxt wk. Also u need to be vetted and have a health and safety inspection on ur farm. Apparently there's a waiting list of around 500 to get a student, at least that's what I heard last yr.
It's not as easy as picking up the phone and ordering a small donkey for ur busy period nxt Spring!

One thing for sure is if they think you're looking for a small donkey you'll be cut from the list.

We no longer take students here we found dealing with some students Mammies tiresome. Some felt that the students needed to be adopted

degetme

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I'd say ur chances of getting a student are v slim at this stage. Host farmers training meetings are on this wk and nxt wk. Also u need to be vetted and have a health and safety inspection on ur farm. Apparently there's a waiting list of around 500 to get a student, at least that's what I heard last yr.
It's not as easy as picking up the phone and ordering a small donkey for ur busy period nxt Spring!

have a lad helping on Saturdays and he's doing placement next spring. it would have bein handy to keep him on.

had health and safety here too unannounced in April. got on fine on revisit. know a lad getting student every spring and no health and safety done.
just pays teasagc 100 quid

the_blue_oval

Any tips/advice for a lad who'll be doing his placement this spring?

Deepsouthwest

the_blue_oval wrote: »

Any tips/advice for a lad who'll be doing his placement this spring?

If uve got a genuine interest in farming u'll be fine. Remember ur there to learn, u mightn't agree with all the things and ways of doing things on ur host farm,but it's always good to see different ways of doing things. U'll be at home on ur own farm for long enough. Most of all try and enjoy it

Wildsurfer

the_blue_oval wrote: »

Any tips/advice for a lad who'll be doing his placement this spring?

Be on time. Give notice if you want a day off, not a text that morning. If you don't understand something or haven't experience of doing it, tell the farmer. If you break something or do something you shouldn't have, own up. No the pto shaft didnt just break, YOU broke the effing thing. Your there to learn off the host farmer, that means doing things his way, not the way you do it on your own farm. You may suggest another way of doing things but in the end its not your farm so dont push it too far. Remember the host farmer has prob seen every smart ass young fella who thought he was the cats pyjamas before, so don't think your smarter than him. If you have some issue that your not happy with, tell the farmer, don't let it grow into something. Oh and tell the farmers wife the dinner was lovely, if you have her on your side your on a winner straight off the bat!