Marley Grange House

brenn7475

Anybody know the plans for Marley Grange House. From the article below is says that it was bought last March after it was destroyed by fire in 2010. There seems to be renovation work being carried out on the house near to the main gate. Be great to see this building restored. A complete disgrace it was burnt down.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/property/2012/0329/1224314041894.html

ted1

Wouldn't say it's a disgrace , that implies it was let or intentionally burnt down,

WildRosie

I think the disgrace is that it was uninsured at the time it burnt down and then sat idle to further decay. It was a beautiful house, I was up there when there was a content's sale on some years ago and can clearly remember the beautiful tiling and fireplaces.

OP, here's a link to the planning permission documents http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=144®ref=SD12A/0189&type=apps&dateoptions=any&area=Any&keywordtype=location&term=marlay

If that doesn't work on the PP page, search marlay in location. All the floor plans etc are there. Nice to see something happening there.

brenn7475

ted1 wrote: »

Wouldn't say it's a disgrace , that implies it was let or intentionally burnt down,

The building is a listed structure built in the 1860's.
For whatever reason malicious or otherwise destroying it by setting fire to it was a disgrace.

It was unoccupied didn't set fire to itself. Read the article.

brenn7475

WildRosie wrote: »

I think the disgrace is that it was uninsured at the time it burnt down and then sat idle to further decay. It was a beautiful house, I was up there when there was a content's sale on some years ago and can clearly remember the beautiful tiling and fireplaces.

OP, here's a link to the planning permission documents http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=144®ref=SD12A/0189&type=apps&dateoptions=any&area=Any&keywordtype=location&term=marlay

If that doesn't work on the PP page, search marlay in location. All the floor plans etc are there. Nice to see something happening there.

Thanks Rosie

ted1

WildRosie wrote: »

I think the disgrace is that it was uninsured at the time it burnt down and then sat idle to further decay. It was a beautiful house, I was up there when there was a content's sale on some years ago and can clearly remember the beautiful tiling and fireplaces.

OP, here's a link to the planning permission documents http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=144®ref=SD12A/0189&type=apps&dateoptions=any&area=Any&keywordtype=location&term=marlay

If that doesn't work on the PP page, search marlay in location. All the floor plans etc are there. Nice to see something happening there.

At the time it was uninsured the owner was minted and running a successful building company. He could have made any repairs himself with cash.
No need for insurance.
I was actually in school with the guys that owned it and lived in it during the 90s and 80s.
Back then we thought they were made living in a castle.

WildRosie

ted1 wrote: »

At the time it was uninsured the owner was minted and running a successful building company. He could have made any repairs himself with cash.
No need for insurance.

At the time he bought it, he was minted and running a successful building company, but three months after the house burned down, he wasn't. Reading that article, I highly doubt he would have been in a position to restore himself.

Mr Mellon recently revealed it would be fair to say he was "a little financially challenged at the moment".

Link: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hardpressed-niall-mellon-puts-his-country-mansion-up-for-sale-2392432.html

It should have been insured and there should have been someone on site, like there is down the road in Loreto Abbey. The point is, no amount of cash is going to restore that house to what it was.

brenn7475

I'm sure the new owner/owners will spare no expense.

True will never be the same.Crazy it was not insured. But will be interesting to see the end result when refurbished

ted1

WildRosie wrote: »

At the time he bought it, he was minted and running a successful building company, but three months after the house burned down, he wasn't. Reading that article, I highly doubt he would have been in a position to restore himself.

Link: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hardpressed-niall-mellon-puts-his-country-mansion-up-for-sale-2392432.html

It should have been insured and there should have been someone on site, like there is down the road in Loreto Abbey. The point is, no amount of cash is going to restore that house to what it was.

We'll agree to differ, but in my view if you have the cash, staff and contacts to replace then there is no need for insurance. The abbey is very different in size and potential.

WildRosie

It would be presumptuous to assume that he would have had the resources, cash or otherwise, at some future date to restore it in the event of fire etc. Having said that, there could have been a number of reasons why it wasn't insured. But we'll agree to disagree

OT: Have you been in the Abbey? It's beautiful - I really hope it's preserved and put to good use someday.

ted1

Years and years ago, I grew up in Marley so being an adventorus youngster there's not many places in rathfarnham I've not being.

Luckycharm

That place has changed hands for alot of money over the years when was the last time it was used as a fulltime home? I seen a bit of work been done recently to the smaller house.

gregd1

hi guys. I used to be a security guard there it was the best job I ever had. I stayed in a mobile home beside the stables. I fell in love with the house. there is a big family of badgers living on the grounds I used to go out at 3 to 4 am with a spotlight and follow them they didn't mind me. I know every square inch of the house and the ground. I was working there when the British embassy owned it. I had a few spooky experiences there to. I always sad id love to work and live there as a grounds keeper and security guard when the fixed it up. its a shame what happened to it I really hope it gets fixed up. would be great as something the public could visit. I miss Marley grange.

gfarnan

My ex-boss owns that now, he's making a great job up there now

Zascar

What's he doing with it?

GreeBo

ted1 wrote: »

I was actually in school with the guys that owned it and lived in it during the 90s and 80s.

Likewise...and I wouldnt have said that the house was in stunning condition on the inside. I seem to remember it being in quite a bit of disrepair, as these old buildings often are.
The McGranes still made a fair bit out of selling it though!

The gate house has been beautifully done up to a high standard, a fair amount of cash dropped on that. Bit of a busy road these days though.

IrlJidel

Some background and pics:

http://johnl.org/2011/09/21/marlay-grange-after-snow/

http://johnl.org/2011/03/27/marlay-grange-grounds-and-house/

SerialComplaint

And a recent video tour!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhF7VWvzzc

gfarnan

Zascar wrote: »

What's he doing with it?

Exactly what it is says on the planning permission doc, at least small house is finished as his brother has moved in. He'll have to have it finished (or a lot done) by october, massive Halloween party there

LPeaceLawrence

Luckycharm wrote: »

That place has changed hands for alot of money over the years when was the last time it was used as a fulltime home? I seen a bit of work been done recently to the smaller house.

My grandparents owned and lived in Marlay Grange from 1961-1973. My grandfather bred and raced thoroughbreds and at that time Marlay Grange extended across the Grange Road down by the entrance to the stables and gardner's house. The main gate where there is still a home was a large green wooden carriage entry gate with a pedestrian gate as well. During these years my grandparents restored, loved, lived and maintained Marlay Grange to all of it's true glory! I lived with them and attended Stratford College and seeing Marlay Grange in the condition it has been in is one of the most heartbreaking things I have ever seen and felt. We truly loved our home there....

LPeaceLawrence

SerialComplaint wrote: »

And a recent video tour!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIhF7VWvzzc

This having been my home is a horrifying and tragic video. The people who burned Marlay Grange down, the ones who destroyed her beauty, who placed cement blocks to make a wall where once there were windows and doors to the gardens... These people are terrible people.
She needs to be restored to her full beauty or respectfully taken down and something new built, but not to be treated as she has been these last forty years

Behalf

Hi LPeaceLawrence,
Fear not the house has been restored to it's former glory, as have the gardens. Would love to get any old photos you might have of the gardens or house?
Rgds,
Bobby

LPeaceLawrence

Oh, you've no idea what great news that is! I've been up all night with the house and all the gardens, everything on my mind. Really, still unable to sleep and it's 3:25 in the morning! I do have a few that I was able to find when my grandmother died and I took care of all of my grandparents belongings. I will have some copies made and forward them to you if you like. Someday, if I've the fortitude it would be lovely to stop by for a visit. The years spent there were, without doubt some of my happiest! I'd love to give you some more history of my grandfather and his horse racing history if you'd like as well as that of Marlay Grange.
Thank you for letting me know that she's back together...I really have been hurting all day. Let me know how to get the photos I do have to you.
Sincerely,
Leslie Peace Lawrence

Big Nasty

gfarnan wrote: »

Exactly what it is says on the planning permission doc, at least small house is finished as his brother has moved in. He'll have to have it finished (or a lot done) by october, massive Halloween party there

Open boards.ie invitation to this party I presume?

IrlJidel

Nice fireworks show just finished!

APMom

Pity the party is still going on. I live about a mile away and the noise is bloody awful. Can't sleep, kids still awake with it. Gardai can't/wont do anything about it. Really p****d off.

dawnoshea

Can you please tell them to shut the f**k up. I predict some serious payback from the local community tomorrow and especially when the council office opens Monday morning

highly1111

Has anyone rang the guards?? It's unreal - and I'm as far down as the esso on grange road.

dawnoshea

Several of my neighbours have been on to rathfarnham garda station. They say there's nothing they can do because it's private property. They've been up several times to ask them to turn it down but they're obviously giving them and us the 2 fingers.

highly1111

Thanks I tried calling the guards and its constantly busy. There'll be murder tomorrow - I'm going to write to them - not that they'll give a sh1t.

ted1

I Persume that your taking the piss👎 I grew up on dargle valley I marley and we had a bonfire there every year along with plenty of fireworks. There's was also other bonfires in the estate, for people to complain about a private party on Halloween is not only comical but un justified

dawnoshea

IrlJidel wrote: »

Nice fireworks show just finished!

If you're still there can you please tell your hosts that twitter Facebook and boards are filled with complaints from their neighbours. A bit of consideration for the rest of us would be nice. I have a 10 year old who has been awake with a headache for 2 hours and is now throwing up in the bathroom as a result

dawnoshea

ted1 wrote: »

I Persume that your taking the piss👎 I grew up on dargle valley I marley and we had a bonfire there every year along with plenty of fireworks. There's was also other bonfires in the estate, for people to complain about a private party on Halloween is not only comical but un justified

No one had an issue with the fireworks. It's the 6 hours of music and some idiot mc. I take it you're not living locally tonight. None of the marley park gigs were even close to this. If these guys wanted a party house why buy a place in a residential area filled with young families and retirees.

Boden08

Totally agree... Fireworks were hours ago but Jerry Fish live after 1am is unreasonable to all the old people living around the area for years. Charity gig for Barnardos apparently but Gardaí are powerless to get them to turn it down.
Indulgent and inconsiderate of others. I would suggest that the owners are named and shamed so those of us living a mile away can write to them...

Lector

Slowly.....going.....insaNE....

When will it STOP!!!!

Ismiseauds

Called the Garda earlier and they said it's expected to go on till 2am. Does anyone know what it is? Garda advised me to call council Monday to make a complaint. I'm in rathfarnham and it's ridiculous, I have a 5 month old and a 7 year old. My parents in dundrum can hear it, apparently dundrum Garda station has took a couple of hundred calls.

Coyler

The planning permission up the thread states that the applicant was Robert Healy. I asked one of the guests leaving and they told me Bobby Healy is throwing the party. On top of that, one of the comments on the blog up thread is from Healy himself looking to buy the house. When I asked the security guards they told me it was a Barnardos party.

Perhaps Mr. Healy or Barnardos would be so kind as to clear up this confusion? I'd certainly love to know the truth at this stage.

Edit: Does seem to have ended. Going to follow this up, however. In the meantime, if either party would like to clarify any details in my post, I'd would be more than happy to comply.

Lector

I was also told by the security guards at the house when I went up earlier that it would continue until 2am, but sure, if they're having that much fun, whats to stop them going on all night.
It's incredible that the Gardai have no powers to stop them, I always assumed there was a law against making noise like this after 11 or 12 o clock at night.
I wonder have the owners not been told by security at the gate or the guards about how loud it actually is or about the hundreds of complaints that have been lodged, or have they been told and just don't care?

hold on...is that silence....my bed beckons...

Ismiseauds

Thanks I'll be shouting very loud about this later, absolute disgrace.

Angry Local Resident

I rang the guards in Rathfarnham last night and was told that their phone lines were completely tied up, they had a path beaten to the door, but that they had no powers to deal with it. At that stage they had taken over 400 calls, which doesn't even count the ones who couldn't get through. What an utter waste of resources and gardai time.

On the marley grange residents website the following advice is given: If you wish to complain next week to South Dublin County Council, County Hall Tallaght, Dublin 24, +353 1 414 9000.
I hope as many people as possible will call. Phone numbers for individual councillors are available on the council website.
I checked out DLR council's website for information on noise pollution but they will not deal directly with noise from a domestic premises. ( I couldn't find information on this on South Dublin's website but I presume they have a similar policy. )
However any individual can make a complaint to the district court seeking an order to deal with noise pollution. There is no requirement to have a solicitor represent you, and there is a nominal fee of €15 to process the complaint.
As far as I understand it, if the local authority were to pursue this matter, they would follow the same process of complaining to the district court.

In addition any person is entitled to object to the renewal of an intoxicating liquor licence at the annual licencing court. in ENFO's leaflet on noise pollution it says "With regard to the application for a special late night exemption, the Intoxicating Liquor Act 2000 provides that a court shall not grant a special exemption order in respect
of any premises unless it is satisfied that the special occasion will be conducted in a manner which will not cause undue inconvenience to persons residing in the vicinity of those premises."
Given that this seems to be an annual event, perhaps this is something to look into?

I can't believe all the complaints on here for one party.
It appears to have been for charity.
It happened once.

All the residents up around there lived with serious hassle when the concerts were on, and now they complain because one party stayed going until 2am!
Cant believe how sensitive some of your children are, any kid I know would sleep through an earthquake.

And if you do go to the district court, noise complaints are for ongoing noise. Not one party.
And I doubt very much they needed a licence to sell drink if it was a private party.

HHHMMM

Hi bubbly pop, I don't think local residents are being petty here. I would be pretty sure Bobby Healy's children weren't at home last night. No parent would deliberately subject their children to the noise levels we had to put up with. The Inspector of Rathfarnham Garda Station went up personally to ask the Healy's to lower the noise but they did not comply. This does not happen because someone is being a "bit" loud. It is a disgrace that 2 Garda stations had their lines tied up all evening over one personal party on the busiest night of the week and the Inspector had to get involved only to be ignored. I think Barnardos should seriously reconsider allowing the Healys to say they subjected the local community to the most serious anti-social behaviour I've experienced living here in their charity's name. The noise levels last night were completely unacceptable, the Marlay Park concerts (which thousands attend) are no where near as loud, by a very long shot. Also this is not a one off, it's annual. Between the Gardai, Barnardos and SDCC surely someone can appeal to Bobby Healy to be a bit more civic minded next year??How about he just giving some of his cash to Barnardos quietly.....I give a monthly donation to them for many years without my whole neighbourhood knowing but maybe that's just a smokescreen for him to do whatever he wants in the name of Charity??? Barnardos should not allow this!!

Antigone05

I'm down in ballinteer. Noise last night was a pain in the ass.

We've had numerous issue with the organisation around the marlay gigs this year so this didn't help.

I have no issue with the party happening, great for charity to get a big night like that. My issue is the lack of consideration for residents.

So if it's going to happen next year, I suggest reduce the PA system to something smaller it was louder than the marlay summer gigs.

End earlier, 2am at full blast is a bit much.

Coordinate better with residents. Maybe invite some of the boards to the event or offer tickets to associations. Also good opportunity to build better relationship with residents and garda stations.

I'll only assume that if it happens again the way it did last night, vocal complaints will be the least of their worries.

Ismiseauds

I don't think that many people would be complaining if it was just one party. This doesn't even compare to the concerts at Marlay Park, which were not anywhere near as loud and which finish at a reasonable hour. When the concerts in Marlay are on you can see officials outside measuring the noise levels, they stand up and down the grange road this last night was off the charts on comparison to any concert that has went on in MP.

Firstly the Garda in both Dundrum and Rathfarnham have had their night and their time wasted by this ignoramus and his little "charity" bash. I'm sure there were other things happening that they were trying to deal with rather than send up a car every 30 mins to ask then to keep the noise down. He should be charged with wasting police time.

Secondly, it's not a question of having sensitive children. Everyone has a right, not just children, to be able to relax in their home peacefully should they desire without being imposed upon by the noise levels that were experienced last night. I have two small children both of who were woken up. I have a baby that's up from the early hours of the morning, those couple of hours at night are the only sleep I get which I didn't get last night because someone was to ignorant to give a flying F@€& about the residents of the surrounding areas. I had to turn up the tv to nearly full volume to drown out the rubbish. The moron obviously has no respect or consideration for other people.

Thirdly, I'm sure a barnardos, an organisation who promote the welfare of children will not want to associate themselves with an event that caused so much trouble and I'm sure had lots of children and families awake till gone 2am I suguest everyone write to them to highlight the issue and let them know exactly what is being carried out in their name. I have already emailed them. I will also be making a complaint tomorrow morning to the co co as advised by rathfarnham Garda station who themselves will be lodging a complaint to the county council.

Pure disgusting the level of disrespect and disregard some people have for their fellow neighbours.

Lector

Bubblypop, you obviously don't live in the area. I don't think I would have believed myself how loud someone was allowed play at a private party that late at night. I live about 800m from the house, but with all my windows and door closed and earplugs in, I could still hear every word of a song by the Strypes (or someone playing a song by the Strypes). It was way way louder and went on until way way later than the Marley Park concerts. Would not have had any problem if they had finished at a time similar to the concerts.

psorrento

Would appreciate if someone who makes a complaint with South Dublin County Council or courts comes back to the post on how exactly they did it and any reaction, so that others can follow suit.

chillywilly

I'm in Ballinteer and could hear it loud and clear but I didn't mind at all.

Sometimes I think people just want something to give out about. It's over now, life goes on. Enjoy your Sunday

MisseyB2014

I am incensed at the lack of consideration shown by the owners of Marlay Grange last night. I also think that it is completely unacceptable for their not to be a bye-law preventing individuals from playing exceptionally loud music past a certain hour.

In addition to complaining to the council, I would like to lobby them and our local councillors to introduce this bye-law. I am interested in communicating with others who feel the same way. If you do please send me a private message and we can discuss how best to move forward.

Regards

E

Ps i have some experience of lobbying the council successfully in the past and am confident that we can prevent such inconsiderate behaviour in the future.

Lector

Thats great for you chillywilly, maybe you're one of those people who can sleep through stuff like that or maybe you wanted to stay up until 2am - I can't and I didn't. Problem was, I didn't have a choice - Bobby Healy decided that for me.

HHHMMM

chillywilly wrote: »

I'm in Ballinteer and could hear it loud and clear but I didn't mind at all.

Sometimes I think people just want something to give out about. It's over now, life goes on. Enjoy your Sunday

Hi chilly willy, think you've made the point beautifully - well done!! You were in BALLINTEER and could hear it loud and clear..........does that not tell you how LOUD it was for the neighbouring estates.

Happy Sunday to you and maybe if you're real lucky Mr Healy will move his ass closer to your doorstep next year🙏

Also, think people should email Barnardos directly too as this event was in their name!

MisseyB2014

I just emailed Barnardos to let them know how i feel and to ask them to make a public comment about the event.

E