60 cars a day seized by Gardai

carzony

Sorry if this has been posted already. I was reading through this link and it seems like a lot of cars that are uninsured, not roadworthy or not taxed. 60 a day :eek:

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=inside+gardai+car+&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CDYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Fnational-news%2F60-cars-being-seized-daily-by-gardai-in-crackdown-for-safety-3350775.html&ei=MqD4UPHEGYTKhAfsp4G4Bw&usg=AFQjCNHltCBY67h8eS76oCenpa5qtwgNZg

Cookie_Monster

I think that number is surprisingly low to be fair. Given the numbers looking to reduce costs by skipping on tax, or learners driving alone you would think it would be far higher. One checkpoint on an M50 junction would get you that number in an hour I'd wager.

coylemj

From the article linked to above...

Chief executive Noel Brett said unsafe vehicles were a major cause for concern as the condition of the car or truck was a factor in 1pc of all fatal collisions.

Now I fully support the NCT, especially as the number of cars on the road with misaligned headlights was wicked before the test was introduced but how can they justify requiring the 'E' mark on tyres and forcing people with 10 year old cars to do an annual NCT when only 1% of fatal accidents are attributable to the condition of the vehicle?

As far as I'm concerned the 'E' mark requirement for tyres in the NCT was as a result of lobbying by SIMI to try to put yet another impediment in front of people importing cars, the other was the new registration system for imports, total disgrace. SIMI's original lobbying against Japanese imports included the implied claim that the Japanese drove around in cars with substandard seatbelts because they didn't have the 'E' mark. When they got laughed at by the public for that claim, they got smarter and went direct to the RSA and the minister instead of using negative publicity in the press.

Voodoomelon

60 a day sounds rather high.

In one of the Traffic Blue episodes, they ran a large enough operation on a major road down the country for pretty much all of daylight hours, and only seized two vehicles if I remember correctly.

I doubt that many operations are performed simultaneously around the country, every single day. Even with regular Garda seizures i cant see it coming that close. Could well be wrong though, I suppose 2 seizures in most large towns daily would do it.

carzony

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I think that number is surprisingly low to be fair. Given the numbers looking to reduce costs by skipping on tax, or learners driving alone you would think it would be far higher. One checkpoint on an M50 junction would get you that number in an hour I'd wager.

It just amazes me that so many people are driving around in cars that are not supposed to be on the roads atall..

visual

carzony wrote: »

It just amazes me that so many people are driving around in cars that are not supposed to be on the roads atall..

Why does it amaze you when it's government policy to push motoring out of the reach of someone on lower income.

We believe the dribble of RSA who blame everything on speeding and gaybo as their public face when the real problem is the roads.
Im very sceptical that its all turned into revenue collection under the convenient banner of safety.

Wils110

visual wrote: »

Why does it amaze you when it's government policy to push motoring out of the reach of someone on lower income.

We believe the dribble of RSA who blame everything on speeding and gaybo as their public face when the real problem is the roads.
Im very sceptical that its all turned into revenue collection under the convenient banner of safety.

Revenue collection........the impound in don abate Dublin will only take cash as payment to collect your car and if u ask for a receipt your told it will be extra as you will have to pay the tax..the say as their doing you a favour

whippet

my brothers mate .. has had no Tax or NCT on his care for the last 4 years and his license expired 6 months ago (not sure about insurance) . His car looks worse for wear ... lights missing all over the place and body panels all over the place .. he has just emigrated and was joking on his last night how ironic it would be if he had the car taken off him then.

This guy was driving about 10-15k miles a year and was never once stopped. If they are taking 60 cars a day it is the tip of the iceberg

coolisin

That is the scary part,

Your paying all you bills car tax, motor insurance, servicing and good tyres. And there is so many people failing to do this but still use there car. Lets face it if your in a crash with one of these idiots it will be you paying. As even if you do sue them they clearly don't have money.

corkgsxr

whippet wrote: »

my brothers mate .. has had no Tax or NCT on his care for the last 4 years and his license expired 6 months ago (not sure about insurance) . His car looks worse for wear ... lights missing all over the place and body panels all over the place .. he has just emigrated and was joking on his last night how ironic it would be if he had the car taken off him then.

This guy was driving about 10-15k miles a year and was never once stopped. If they are taking 60 cars a day it is the tip of the iceberg

times of the day have a big impact on getting stopped or not


60 a day is low enough. works out at just over 2 a day per county

Atlantic Dawn

What happens all these cars? Are they auctioned off or crushed, some would be fixable or have salvagable parts.

_Kaiser_

coolisin wrote: »

That is the scary part,

Your paying all you bills car tax, motor insurance, servicing and good tyres. And there is so many people failing to do this but still use there car. Lets face it if your in a crash with one of these idiots it will be you paying. As even if you do sue them they clearly don't have money.

That's a very valid point. Makes you wonder why you should bother yourself really - especially as insurance companies will try their very best to avoid paying out under "ideal/clear cut" conditions as it is.

Also, how much are these checkpoints, car transporters, staff to drive them etc costing? Who pays that bill?

Far better if they just arrested/charged people on the spot rather than ending up with a whole load of cars that I'm guessing (if they're not taxed) are probably in the higher tax brackets and thus pretty much unsellable. How many people don't bother collecting them in those circumstances? How much is lost there and with the inevitable crushing that must follow?

Wouldn't surprise me if the costs of all the above far outweigh the original revenue lost

cadaliac

Where do they store all these cars?
I do not believe those figures at all.
RSA scare mongering again.

Every once and a while you see a large checkpoint with a few trucks to load cars that are being impounded.

If they really wanted to impound all the cars that they say they impound, you would see this type of checkpoint on all major routes every other day, or at least every week.

There is a figure being waved around that 50% of cars in Ireland are untaxed. Even if the figure was to be 30%, these checkpoints wouldn't be long filling all the compounds in Ireland with untaxed cars.

st1979

coolisin wrote: »

That is the scary part,

Your paying all you bills car tax, motor insurance, servicing and good tyres. And there is so many people failing to do this but still use there car. Lets face it if your in a crash with one of these idiots it will be you paying. As even if you do sue them they clearly don't have money.

You claim from the uninsured drivers fund. We all pay a part of our premium into this fund every year.

_Kaiser_

st1979 wrote: »

You claim from the uninsured drivers fund. We all pay a part of our premium into this fund every year.

Isn't this the fund that takes years to get any result from? That's a great help if you don't have the cash lying around to fix up/replace your own car in the meantime, or you have a claim hanging over you for that time limiting your options with renewals etc in the interim

Not having a go at you btw, just the stupidity of the system

galwaytt

st1979 wrote: »

You claim from the uninsured drivers fund. We all pay a part of our premium into this fund every year.

Exactly.

coolisin wrote: »

That is the scary part,

Your paying all you bills car tax, motor insurance, servicing and good tyres. And there is so many people failing to do this but still use there car. Lets face it if your in a crash with one of these idiots it will be you paying. As even if you do sue them they clearly don't have money.

Incorrect. If you are involved in an accident with an uninsured driver, the MIB fund covers it. Issues of tax, NCT, licence are as relevant as the phase of the moon when it comes to a claim. As a 3rd Party, you are automatically covered either by the other party's insurer, or the fund.

cadaliac wrote: »

RSA scare mongering again.

coylemj wrote: »

From the article linked to above...

Chief executive Noel Brett said unsafe vehicles were a major cause for concern as the condition of the car or truck was a factor in 1pc of all fatal collisions.

Now I fully support the NCT, especially as the number of cars on the road with misaligned headlights was wicked before the test was introduced but how can they justify requiring the 'E' mark on tyres and forcing people with 10 year old cars to do an annual NCT when only 1% of fatal accidents are attributable to the condition of the vehicle?

And there you have it from the (forgive the week that's in it..... ...) but the horses mouth; 1 pc It's actually a fraction of 1pc, but it does go to show the huge cost of the NCT structure - Applus are making €400 million from it - is primarily a commercial venture.

And the camera vans are but a repeat of that, with €65 million being given to that contractor.

Valetta

Chief executive Noel Brett said unsafe vehicles were a major cause for concern as the condition of the car or truck was a factor in 1pc of all fatal collisions.

Does this not show that the NCT is effective in reducing or keeping to a minimum the causes of fatal colloisions being attributed to the condition of the vehicles?

Mr Benevolent

Sounds like scaremongering. The Traffic Corp is barely functioning, most members have been transferred to other duties.

Edit: Oh, it's the Indo, it's bound to be badly wrong.

Matt Simis

Confab wrote: »

Sounds like scaremongering. The Traffic Corp is barely functioning, most members have been transferred to other duties.

Like actual criminal focused activities? My god, who would have thought our Police force would be mis-used in such a manner.



:pac:

monkeypants

coylemj wrote: »

Chief executive Noel Brett said unsafe vehicles were a major cause for concern as the condition of the car or truck was a factor in 1pc of all fatal collisions.

I don't understand why someone would report such a contradictory sentence like that rather than question it.

coolisin

Iam well aware of this fund that we all pay into.
But once again we all pay! Sooo us idiots who pay up pay for these people, and sure whats a few points on the licence to these guys anyway!!

Atlantic Dawn

They should put the seized cars in a large field and let anyone with valid tax, insurance and nct strip whatever parts they want from them, get back the money we are paying for the spongers.

It's moments like this that the abolition of motor tax and instead hikes on fuel taxes seem the fairest solution for all road users to pay their way.

Matt Simis

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They should put the seized cars in a large field and let anyone with valid tax, insurance and nct strip whatever parts they want from them, get back the money we are paying for the spongers.

Oh yeah thats perfectly rational, so Ill run out now, buy a 1litre piece of crap, pay my pennies tax and then get to strip down a 740i that was only taxed for 6mths of the year.. despite the fact that period cost him several times the low tax bracket (and therefore "contributed" vastly more to society).
When living in a country where the minimum motor tax is EUR120 and max is EUR2300 irrelevant of vehicle value or even specific vehicle emissions, the "sponger" is not the guy missing a couple of months tax.

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It's moments like this that the abolition of motor tax and instead hikes on fuel taxes seem the fairest solution for all road users to pay their way.

That moment was like a decade ago when the min/max tax bracket delta became absurd.

seamus

st1979 wrote: »

You claim from the uninsured drivers fund. We all pay a part of our premium into this fund every year.

Are the rules of this fund not such that if you already have fully comprehensive insurance, you're not allowed to claim from this fund and your insurance company have to foot the bill? Of course, you will foot the bill for this because you then lose your NCB.