Froch vs Kessler II

RICHIE26188

Just announced, should be a classic. Really looking forward to it

walshb

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/20962213

Should be a war!

RICHIE26188

Rumours it may be in London, I know Sauerland have been pushing for this because of the transportation links

Kessler expects to bring upwards of 5000 fans over, chances are it's going to be a big outdoor event in a football stadium

el flaco

To balance this good news out the boxing Gods have declared that a Malignaggi v Mosley matchup is likely in April ....

prettyboy81

Looks like it could be the O2 in London for this proper Mega Fight! Defo one to mark in the calendar & try get over to see in London.

prettyboy81

el flaco wrote: »

To balance this good news out the boxing Gods have declared that a Malignaggi v Mosley matchup is likely in April ....

Sweet Jesus....how obvious is this as a payday fight for both fighters :mad:

Frank Bullitt

I look forward to this, Froch looked good against Beute last year.

All the makings of a decent fight.

megadodge

Can't wait for this.
I'm definitely going to make an effort to go to it if it's in the UK.
It's almost guaranteed to be a cracker between two of the more likeable boxers out there.

nacho libre

I'll definitely be going to this.

nocoverart

Can't wait for this! makes up for Malignaggi vs Mosley and the possible Collins vs Jones JR ( LOL ) what's next, Freddie Flintoff vs Audley Harrison?

Dick phelan

Why was this fight not in an even bigger arena whats the capacity about 17000 looking at how fast the tickets sold could they not have found somewhere with double that capacity i reckon the fight would sell out a 35000 arena, Also any idea what each of them is being paid for this is it a 50 50 split purse, surely there getting in the million pound range at least seen as its on sky box office

DaithiMa

Dick phelan wrote: »

Why was this fight not in an even bigger arena whats the capacity about 17000 looking at how fast the tickets sold could they not have found somewhere with double that capacity i reckon the fight would sell out a 35000 arena

Yeah I agree. It is madness. Why not the City Ground in Nottingham? Over 30k capcity, his home town, he is a mad Forest fan! Would have been ideal.
It will be some fight. Neither getting any younger unfortunately, but still has the makings of a great scrap. Kessler hasn't really fought anyone of note since the previous war with Froch-I think that scrap left its mark on the Dane. I also think it's worrying that he is talking about retirement in the build up.I know he is a warrior and all that, but I think Froch has his measure, and will stop him in the later rounds.

FTA69

Joke altogether. I've worked in the O2 and it's really not as big as it looks. Why couldn't they have gotten Upton Park like Warren did, that's 35,000 capacity and it would probably fill, apparently tickets are going for outrageous prices on ebay etc. Poor show really.

el flaco

I think the Kessler camp wanted the fight staged in London for ease of access for his supporters. The O2 does seem a bit restrictive for this fight though.

FTA69

So only five days until this kicks off, any predictions?

I'd put Carl Froch down as a firm favorite to be honest. Over the past few years he seems to have improved markedly despite hitting his mid-30s. He demolished Bute and Mack as well as decisively beating Abraham and Glen Johnson. Kessler, on the other hand, has only fought twice since he narrowly beat Carl and even then against Brian Magee (no disrespect to him) and some French lad. Similarly he has seemingly amassed a multitude of injuries and while he is game as a beagel I think Froch is generally in a ruder condition. Froch will also have a serious home advantage.

I have a feeling that Froch may well stop Mikkel and if he does it'll be in the later rounds. Failing that I see him winning a relatively clear decision.

The odds for this fight are suberb also. It's 5/1 for Froch to win in rounds 7-12 with 11/8 for Carl to take a deicision. Easily a few pound to be made here.

Senor Frog

What site did you get those odds on?

walshb

Am I mad to think that Kessler can win this?

wadacrack

Think Kessler will win the first few rounds with Froch finishing strongly. i Think it will be a very close fight with Kessler just edging on points. should be a good fight but not as good as Sky are making out. Have to remeber Andre ard is the top fighter in that division

FTA69

Senor Frog wrote: »

What site did you get those odds on?

oddschecker.com

There's a bookie up the road from me that gives the best odds that can be found on the net. Serious value to be had on those odds.

Walshb,

You're not mad at all. Kessler is a great fighter. People over here perpetually banging on about Kessler's "decay" but do we know that's the case? I do think he hasn't been as busy and has picked up a few injuries but I wouldn't bank at all on him being a shadow of his former self. Brian Magee was on the telly tonight and was saying if Kessler boxes clever he can outpoint Froch, stay out of the trenches in other words.

Cleverly also just being interviewed having just returned from Denmark and he said he think it'll be too difficult for Mikkel.

Of course Kessler can win, but I think Carl will have too much for him.

walshb

I just think a little too much is being made about two wins. Bute and Mack. Mack was very ordinary. Bute had the reputation, and I and many picked him to win. He crumbled quite easily. And it wasn't because Carl was spectacular. Bute just had little resistance when hit clean. Kessler is strong, can bang hard, and takes a great shot. He is tidier and neater and more fluid than Carl.

MD1990

i think Kessler could be too quick for Froch
Froch is too slow to be having his hands down all the time

nacho libre

I think Kessler might lose this fight due to a home town decision, if not i see him winning again in a close contest. Kessler is strong, fast, and he can bang. He is quality fighter. The only guy i seem him losing to at the moment is Ward. Ward managed to make him look ordinary first time around and would do so again.

Dick phelan

While i would fancy Froch we must not forget he has some serious limitations that have been exposed in the past, he was demolished by Ward, would the Dirrell fight have gone his way if had it no been in the UK, he was being outboxed by Taylor until to his credit he did come back and get the KO. I would also question just how good was that win against Bute, while he deserves big credit for the win one could argue that Bute was just exposed the first time he fought a top fighter maybe it will prove that Bute just wasnt that great as opposed to Froch being brillent. I think Kessler can win but he must win the early rounds, as has been said Froch will probebly finish stronger and take the late rounds, also with Froch at home Kessler will need to silence the crowd by winning a few rounds early, the last thing he can afford is to be a few rounds down away from home having to come back and win the last few rounds. My prediction Froch UD

clubwelly

I really want Froch to win I think he's such a great fighter to watch and fair play to him for taking all the tough fights he's taken over the past few years but I just think Kessler will win it on points.
I still think Kessler got rough housed by Andre Ward and his head in the super 6.

The one thing is Froch throws punches from some crazy angles and he does have power

ThunderCat

Kessler for me on points. Don't get me wrong, the sky hype machine is justified this time as Froch is a teriffic fighter, but I just feel that Kessler will be landing plenty of scoring punches as Froch has low hands and can be quite static in his movement. If Kessler boxes clever then I think the decision could be his provided the judges aren't overly bias with the home advantage thing.
Also I don't feel Kessler is that much short of what he once was. Granted he hasn't been too active and the whole injury leading to him missing the super 6 didn't help but I thought he looked decent against Magee and if Froch thinks that his demolition of Bute suddenly elevated his ability to new found levels and he is a tad complacent and only 90% on in there, then he'll get found out I think.

PS - whoever wins, if a match is then made with Ward, the outcome will be the same - Ward all day long.

Frank Bullitt

Some interesting points made that I would agree with.

Froch against Beute, while I originally thought it was a great win for Froch, looking back I would go with the belief that it was just Beute being fully exposed and the first time he went up against a good fighter.

For Kessler, as impressive as he was in the first fight, he did have home advantage, and was also coming off a loss, his career was on the line and his back was against the wall, he fought for his reputation as much as anything.

That being said, he would love nothing more than to silence the home crowd, and if he wants to do that, it will have to be definitive, if it does go to the cards then he will really have to win it clearly, any doubt and it could swing anyway.

Great fight in prospect, if I had to pick, I would say Froch on the basis of his home advantage, but if Kessler can box clean like he can, then he could also win it. Probably too close to call really.

el flaco

I felt (as I'm sure many do) that the first fight was closer than the scorecards suggested. I still can't decide whether I think Froch has genuinely improved since then but he does have an air of even greater confidence about him and that certainly helps. It might be enough to tip the deficit from the first fight marginally in his favour and win it by the odd point.

Kessler is a classier boxer though and even if he supposedly has a bit more wear he won't have lost his boxing ability that quickly. He was pretty emphatic in his last couple of victories anyway.

Looking at the current odds on Paddy Power, Froch is 1/2 to win, but 5/4 on points, which seems about right I think. Kessler to win on points at 7/2 looks overpriced.

While it's not an impossibility, statistically speaking there's no point in even entertaining a 'victory by KO' from either fighter. Although if either could pull out the KO I would be seriously impressed! That would be a statement.

....also, is a draw out of the question?


I'm going to go with Froch to win it by a very thin margin on points.

wadacrack

Bute was injured in the Froch fight that performance is grossly overrated. Froch is a very good fighter but Kessler may have too much. Its a very good fight but i think Kessler will attack the body early on. it will be a cagey first few rounds that Kessler will win . Froch to finish strong but may have too much to do

KH888

Anybody know what time the Froch fight is scheduled to start? I know coverage begins at 8, but I'l be in work til 10 on Saturday evening so just wondering would it be worth while to order this or not?
Cheers for any help, much appreciated.

el flaco

KH888 wrote: »

Anybody know what time the Froch fight is scheduled to start? I know coverage begins at 8, but I'l be in work til 10 on Saturday evening so just wondering would it be worth while to order this or not?
Cheers for any help, much appreciated.

I thought I saw a tweet from Eddie Hearn saying it was scheduled for about 11pm. I can't find it now though...

Edit: Found it https://twitter.com/EddieHearn/status/336397489877966848

KH888

el flaco wrote: »

I thought I saw a tweet from Eddie Hearn saying it was scheduled for about 11pm. I can't find it now though...

Edit: Found it https://twitter.com/EddieHearn/status/336397489877966848

Top man, sound

omeatheopian

I called UPC about ordering this just now, and they didn't have a clue about it. Obviously only available to sky customers?

walshb

I hope it's not PPV on Sky?

gaybeer

It is a PPV fight on Sky. Hopefully delivers value for money

omeatheopian

walshb wrote: »

I hope it's not PPV on Sky?

Sure is. €21.95. Sh*tbags

walshb

omeatheopian wrote: »

Sure is. €21.95. Sh*tbags

I won't be getting it. Disgrace!

el flaco

walshb wrote: »

I won't be getting it. Disgrace!

It looked like decent value when they were planning on showing the Bute/Pascal card on it too. Pity they don't knock a few quid off to compensate for that loss.

FTA69

Twenty euros is outrageous. I'm going to a pub to watch it, I wouldn't pay that sum out of principle.

Dick phelan

When you consider the difference in value between PPV on sky and a month of boxnation it really is shocking, you get a month for a tener with boxnation about 25 euro for one show with sky disgrace. I don't have sky anyway so will go to a pub to watch it, how many buys do you think this will get, 21 quid is very expensive.

davkel

21 quid isn't that bad when you consider what you might spend in the pub. I was planning on buying it if UPC had offered a PPV equivalent, that doesn't seem to be the case now so might just have to go to the pub with you guys. COuld be worse the Mayweather procession was $60 in the states a couple of weeks ago.
It would even have been better for sky if they had moved froch kessler to last weekend they might have been able to pair it with that peterson matthysse fight.

As a side note I reckon Froch will win this asnd I'm not expecting Kessler to do too much, he's going downhill and although I dont think Froch is getting better I think he'll want it more. It'll tee froch up for a half decent fight, which UPC might bother their ar$e showing.

Gringo180

I thought they did away with PPV fights? Scandalous price.

djhaxman

davkel wrote: »

As a side note I reckon Froch will win this asnd I'm not expecting Kessler to do too much, he's going downhill and although I dont think Froch is getting better I think he'll want it more.

Based on what?

Manc-Red

Just booked it online, going to be an absolute war.

Hope Froch wins it but it will be close.

Manc-Red

davkel wrote: »

21 quid isn't that bad when you consider what you might spend in the pub. I was planning on buying it if UPC had offered a PPV equivalent, that doesn't seem to be the case now so might just have to go to the pub with you guys. COuld be worse the Mayweather procession was $60 in the states a couple of weeks ago.
It would even have been better for sky if they had moved froch kessler to last weekend they might have been able to pair it with that peterson matthysse fight.

As a side note I reckon Froch will win this asnd I'm not expecting Kessler to do too much, he's going downhill and although I dont think Froch is getting better I think he'll want it more. It'll tee froch up for a half decent fight, which UPC might bother their ar$e showing.

The fact its in HD too is a major reason why I don't mind buying this.

Dick phelan

Anyone know what the full undercard is the only one in know is Bellew Vs Chillemba and Groves fighting some nobody, If thats their undercard then it is poor quality for PPV should have at least 2 world title fights i feel to justify PPV should have put the Mcdonell fight on this week as chief support or at least put Kell Brooke on the card aswell and add a bit of substance to the card, Bellew is a very average fighter and Groves isnt fighting a quality fighter if he was i'd say something about the undercard. Anways what is the full undercard cant find any info on what other fights besides Bellew and Groves.

el flaco

Dick phelan wrote: »

Anyone know what the full undercard is the only one in know is Bellew Vs Chillemba and Groves fighting some nobody, If thats their undercard then it is poor quality for PPV should have at least 2 world title fights i feel to justify PPV should have put the Mcdonell fight on this week as chief support or at least put Kell Brooke on the card aswell and add a bit of substance to the card, Bellew is a very average fighter and Groves isnt fighting a quality fighter if he was i'd say something about the undercard. Anways what is the full undercard cant find any info on what other fights besides Bellew and Groves.

2nd one down
http://boxrec.com/schedule.php?country=UK&division=&title=&tv=&SUBMIT=Go

You're right, it's not a great card. The fact that it's on Champions League final night probably doesn't help. I know I probably wouldn't watch most of the undercard regardless, because of the football.

Dick phelan

el flaco wrote: »

2nd one down
http://boxrec.com/schedule.php?country=UK&division=&title=&tv=&SUBMIT=Go

You're right, it's not a great card. The fact that it's on Champions League final night probably doesn't help. I know I probably wouldn't watch most of the undercard regardless, because of the football.

Cheers for that yeah i wonder did the champions league final effect the poor quality of the undercard maybe Hearn thinks no point spending money on quality fights if everyone is watching the football, most people will only watch the Bellew V Chillemba fight and of course the main event, still should have put a better card together for the people going to it aswell i mean the tickets werent cheap they should get value for their money as should we all for buying the PPV.

MD1990

anyone know the irish number to order the fight
can't get through with the UK number

wadacrack

MD1990 wrote: »

anyone know the irish number to order the fight
can't get through with the UK number

Your a fool if you pay for that fight. A live stream will sort u out

Dick phelan

Watched todays press conference, chirst would they ever cut this warrior stuff out everyone who spoke wouldnt shut up their both warriors it will be a war ect ect i understand fights need to be hyped especially when its a PPV and Eddie saying it's a cracking undercard WTF shut up Eddie the undercard is terrible yes i expect a enjoyable fight but god its not fight of the decade

walshb

The fight itself doesn't need an under-card. It's a big fight, but PPV and a low profile under-card? No, that is wrong.