Nurses in US fired over vaccination refusal.

Oracle

This is really appalling, it's the thin end of the wedge, the beginning of forced vaccinations for all. Reportedly the hospital that fired the nurses is backed up by the US CDC (Centre for Disease Control) which doesn't surprise me, in my opinion, it's a organisation with very questionable ethics.

http://news.yahoo.com/nurses-fired-refusing-flu-shot-224637902--abc-news-health.html

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/lifestyle/consumerhealth/features/article_1709173.php/Indiana-nurses-fired-over-vaccination-refusal-one-doctor-speaks-out

According to CNN, an Indiana hospital has fired eight employees, many of them veteran nurses, because they refused to take the flu vaccine. CNN senior medical reporter Elizabeth Cohen was interviewed this morning on the story, claiming that health workers had an obligation to insure patients in weakened states were not in direct contact with those who might have been exposed to influenza.

IU Health Goshen hospital is at the center of this, while four of the fired nurses tried to appeal the vaccine on religious grounds with the help of a lawyer. The hospital rejected their arguments and fired them anyway. CNN reports that the hospital is backed up by the Center for Disease Control (CDC).

Earlier in the year, the hospital informed its staff that vaccinations would be mandatory for all employees based on guidelines from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the American Medical Association, which both recommend mandatory vaccinations for employees.

hooradiation

Oracle wrote: »

This is really appalling, it's the thin end of the wedge, the beginning of forced vaccinations for all. Reportedly the hospital that fired the nurses is backed up by the US CDC (Centre for Disease Control) which doesn't surprise me, in my opinion, it's a organisation with very questionable ethics.

http://news.yahoo.com/nurses-fired-refusing-flu-shot-224637902--abc-news-health.html

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/lifestyle/consumerhealth/features/article_1709173.php/Indiana-nurses-fired-over-vaccination-refusal-one-doctor-speaks-out

Well they knew the repercussions of this stance, can't say I feel sorry for them.

JustinDee

Is it really appalling though?

Medical facility takes steps to ensure disease-free environs, particularly with staff.
Religious grounds don't come into it. Do these same circumstances prevent them from administering the same vaccine or any other medical pharmaceuticals to patients? If so, then this subjective hypocrisy surely given that they are supporting the functionality of the hospital? If not, then they are surplus to requirements if not willing to perform all duties required of staff at said facility.

Why is this in conspiracy theories?

Aquarius34

Getting forced vaccination, really raises concerns at how mentally unwell people are becoming on this issue. It's basically like rape. When a man is forcing himself upon a woman it's rape. What is forced vaccination? It's absolutely ludicrous, given how much of a scam they are. You even have to pay for these things on top of that, and they are not cheap at all. The last time I was in hospital a nurse tried to hint me to become vaccinated, I basically told her to **** off without saying the **** off. She got the message fairly rapidly.

Aquarius34

JustinDee wrote: »

Is it really appalling though?

Medical facility takes steps to ensure disease-free environs, particularly with staff.
Religious grounds don't come into it. Do these same circumstances prevent them from administering the same vaccine or any other medical pharmaceuticals to patients? If so, then this subjective hypocrisy surely given that they are supporting the functionality of the hospital? If not, then they are surplus to requirements if not willing to perform all duties required of staff at said facility.

Why is this in conspiracy theories?

Well look at the amount of people who took the flu vaccines, and yet people are still getting the flu? I know so many people who have taken the flu shots and they have proven to be useless. Look at the swine flu joke that was orchestrated by the elite.

Vaccines are a scam. They are snyethic. You have an immune system and nature has it's way of dealing with disease. We have gone to far with this to the point now we as a society don't have any immune system anymore because we have completely destroyed our system with man made immunization and antibiotics. We now have super bugs because, many bugs have become immune to antibiotics. Antibiotics kill our immune system. It's a never ending vicious circle. Not only that its only costing a lot of money too.

I haven't taken a vaccine in over 10 years and took antibiotics once in 10 years. Yet I am perfectly healthy.

Aquarius34

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Well look at the amount of people who took the flu vaccines, and yet people are still getting the flu? I know so many people who have taken the flu shots and they have proven to be useless. Look at the swine flu joke that was orchestrated by the elite.

Look at how many people wash their hands in hospitals, yet we have so many people getting sick.
Nurses and doctors should stop washing their hands.
Forcing them to wash their hands is rape...
:rolleyes:

Jonny7

King Mob wrote: »

Look at how many people wash their hands in hospitals, yet we have so many people getting sick.
Nurses and doctors should stop washing their hands.
Forcing them to wash their hands is rape...
:rolleyes:

I don't know about that, they are forced to wash their hands with dihydrogen monoxide which is pretty nasty stuff

Dihydrogen monoxide:

is called "hydroxyl acid", the substance is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the "greenhouse effect".
may cause severe burns.
is fatal if inhaled.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of Styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.

JustinDee

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Well look at the amount of people who took the flu vaccines, and yet people are still getting the flu? I know so many people who have taken the flu shots and they have proven to be useless. Look at the swine flu joke that was orchestrated by the elite.

Vaccines are a scam. They are snyethic. You have an immune system and nature has it's way of dealing with disease. We have gone to far with this to the point now we as a society don't have any immune system anymore because we have completely destroyed our system with man made immunization and antibiotics. We now have super bugs because, many bugs have become immune to antibiotics. Antibiotics kill our immune system. It's a never ending vicious circle. Not only that its only costing a lot of money too.

I haven't taken a vaccine in over 10 years and took antibiotics once in 10 years. Yet I am perfectly healthy.

They have refused on religious grounds. Not conspiratorial or even health grounds but religious grounds.
I have not had a flu since I returned to this country six years ago and get the jab annually. The type of flu jab may vary but our absenteeism due to transmittable flus etc is minimal, especially in comparison to other organisations I encounter in my job.

Yes it is a vicious circle. You claim that the Swine Flu jab did nothing because there was no swine flu around close to epidemic proportions. So how can you tell whether or not it worked?

When you chuck in melodramatic terms about the 'elite' and accompany them with the reckless bandying about and denegration of terms like 'rape', I guess this subject should belong in this type of wistful forum.
I'm sure you're super healthy. Don't drink and don't smoke etc.

Aquarius34

Jonny7 wrote: »

I don't know about that, they are forced to wash their hands with dihydrogen monoxide which is pretty nasty stuff

Dihydrogen monoxide:

is called "hydroxyl acid", the substance is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the "greenhouse effect".
may cause severe burns.
is fatal if inhaled.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of Styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.

Funny how you can say that and not mention the harmful effects of Sodium fluoride.

You haven't a leg to stand on.

Aquarius34

JustinDee wrote: »

They have refused on religious grounds. Not conspiratorial or even health grounds but religious grounds.
I have not had a flu since I returned to this country six years ago and get the jab annually. The type of flu jab may vary but our absenteeism due to transmittable flus etc is minimal, especially in comparison to other organisations I encounter in my job.

Yes it is a vicious circle. You claim that the Swine Flu jab did nothing because there was no swine flu around close to epidemic proportions. So how can you tell whether or not it worked?

When you chuck in melodramatic terms about the 'elite' and accompany them with the reckless bandying about and denegration of terms like 'rape', I guess this subject should belong in this type of wistful forum.
I'm sure you're super healthy. Don't drink and don't smoke etc.

The Vaccines are a scam that's why!

The idea is to get tricked into the illusion that you need external means to protect yourself from something. If you have that mindset about everything then you're already weak and prove that you fail the tests nature gives you.

Jonny7

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Funny how you can say that and not mention the harmful effects of Sodium fluoride.

You haven't a leg to stand on.

JustinDee

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The Vaccines are a scam that's why!

The idea is to get tricked into the illusion that you need external means to protect yourself from something. If you have that mindset about everything then you're already weak and prove that you fail the tests nature gives you.

In YOUR view, they're a scam.

You'll have to disprove that a vaccine works on me, minus medical records and any iota of my constitution or physiology too.
Do you drink or smoke yourself? If not, have you ever done? How long for?

On the subject matter of the thread, on religious grounds, try defending their decisions, bearing in mind also employee contracts, conditions and requirements.

asherbassad

hooradiation wrote: »

Well they knew the repercussions of this stance, can't say I feel sorry for them.

So you are fine with people being fired for refusing a forced vaccination?

Do you stand up for anything or just take everything that authority says without so much as a mouse fart of opposition?

asherbassad

asherbassad wrote: »

So you are fine with people being fired for refusing a forced vaccination?

Do you stand up for anything or just take everything that authority says without so much as a mouse fart of opposition?

And you are totally fine with them being forced to wash their hands against their will?
I bet you even force the people preparing your food to do that as well...

Aquarius34

JustinDee wrote: »

In YOUR view, they're a scam.

You'll have to disprove that a vaccine works on me, minus medical records and any iota of my constitution or physiology too.
Do you drink or smoke yourself? If not, have you ever done? How long for?

On the subject matter of the thread, on religious grounds, try defending their decisions, bearing in mind also employee contracts, conditions and requirements.

Nope, There is no common sense to any of it.

Con artists are everywhere, and all it takes is for people to submit and believe in them.

asherbassad

Jonny7 wrote: »

I don't know about that, they are forced to wash their hands with dihydrogen monoxide which is pretty nasty stuff

Dihydrogen monoxide:

is called "hydroxyl acid", the substance is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the "greenhouse effect".
may cause severe burns.
is fatal if inhaled.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of Styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.

Retarded

Aquarius34

asherbassad wrote: »

So you are fine with people being fired for refusing a forced vaccination?

Do you stand up for anything or just take everything that authority says without so much as a mouse fart of opposition?

Force fed poison, which is ridiculous. They are so hellbent on poisoning everyone with this shiit.

It's just shows how weak these elites are. Just the like gun control scam. Anything to try and weaken and prevent the masses from waking up and becoming responsible for their own lives., Without a dumb herd, the Shepard has no control.

asherbassad

Oracle wrote: »

This is really appalling, it's the thin end of the wedge, the beginning of forced vaccinations for all. Reportedly the hospital that fired the nurses is backed up by the US CDC (Centre for Disease Control) which doesn't surprise me, in my opinion, it's a organisation with very questionable ethics.

http://news.yahoo.com/nurses-fired-refusing-flu-shot-224637902--abc-news-health.html

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/lifestyle/consumerhealth/features/article_1709173.php/Indiana-nurses-fired-over-vaccination-refusal-one-doctor-speaks-out

Only 8 out of 1300 who refused the vaccine were fired. Weird.

Also, if this is all about patient safety then force the fcuking patients to have the vaccine or boot them out of the hospital.

Aquarius34

They want force to me to take their cool aid poison.

Aquarius34

asherbassad wrote: »

Also, if this is all about patient safety then force the fcuking patients to have the vaccine or boot them out of the hospital.

:rolleyes:

No one, under any circumstances should force their will on others. If that is the way to go about this, then everything about morals, health, concern, and respect goes out the window.

We do not need vaccinations. That is the whole bogus deception. If it is so then nature obviously must of gotten everything all wrong or we should of died millions of years ago. The problem is we create man made problems and create man made tools to try solve the problems we create.

Our immune system has the capability of defending against disease once, you develop your immune system. We also do not need to vaccinate our children and I know plenty of mothers who are not vaccinating their children anymore.
There are other ways of combating illness and we do not need snyethic means to protect us from disease.

Aquarius34

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Our immune system has the capability of defending against disease once, you develop your immune system.

Or what if we could find a way to get our immune system to fight a disease, but then also not have to suffer the symptoms of the disease that can be highly dangerous...?

JustinDee

King Mob wrote: »

Or what if we could find a way to get our immune system to fight a disease, but then also not have to suffer the symptoms of the disease that can be highly dangerous...?

This actually has nothing to do with medical side if things. These people have refused on religious grounds. A few of the usual suspects here shouting for the christian religious conservatives is actually funny. Just enjoy their replies.

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

And you are totally fine with them being forced to wash their hands against their will?
I bet you even force the people preparing your food to do that as well...

Where are they forced to wash their hands against their will ?

Brown Bomber

JustinDee wrote: »

This actually has nothing to do with medical side if things. These people have refused on religious grounds. A few of the usual suspects here shouting for the christian religious conservatives is actually funny. Just enjoy their replies.

According to CNN, an Indiana hospital has fired eight employees, many of them veteran nurses, because they refused to take the flu vaccine. CNN senior medical reporter Elizabeth Cohen was interviewed this morning on the story, claiming that health workers had an obligation to insure patients in weakened states were not in direct contact with those who might have been exposed to influenza.

IU Health Goshen hospital is at the center of this, while four of the fired nurses tried to appeal the vaccine on religious grounds with the help of a lawyer. The hospital rejected their arguments and fired them anyway. CNN reports that the hospital is backed up by the Center for Disease Control (CDC).

Earlier in the year, the hospital informed its staff that vaccinations would be mandatory for all employees based on guidelines from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the American Medical Association, which both recommend mandatory vaccinations for employees.

8-4=4

Brown Bomber

enno99 wrote: »

Where are they forced to wash their hands against their will ?

Can you believe that people try to compare your employer demanding to wash your hands with your employer injecting chemicals into your body.

In Indiana for your kids to receive an education they are required to have a series of chemicals pumped into their bodies as well.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?anno=2&depth=1&hl=sv&rurl=translate.google.se&sl=en&tl=sv&u=http://www.state.in.us/isdh/files/2013-2014_School_Immunization_Requirements_-_Proposed_2014-2015.pdf&usg=ALkJrhhrBTODQyt3dXN6JBeh9QbR27wn9Q

Guy:Incognito

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Vaccines are a scam. They are snyethic. You have an immune system and nature has it's way of dealing with disease. We have gone to far with this to the point now we as a society don't have any immune system anymore because we have completely destroyed our system with man made immunization and antibiotics. We now have super bugs because, many bugs have become immune to antibiotics. Antibiotics kill our immune system. It's a never ending vicious circle. Not only that its only costing a lot of money too.
.

Good job the likes of smallpox never killed anyone, what with our immune systems sorting us out and all.

Sure it just died out all on its own, with no vaccines or anything.........

Guy:Incognito

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Can you believe that people try to compare your employer demanding to wash your hands with your employer injecting chemicals into your body.

In Indiana for your kids to receive an education they are required to have a series of chemicals pumped into their bodies as well.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?anno=2&depth=1&hl=sv&rurl=translate.google.se&sl=en&tl=sv&u=http://www.state.in.us/isdh/files/2013-2014_School_Immunization_Requirements_-_Proposed_2014-2015.pdf&usg=ALkJrhhrBTODQyt3dXN6JBeh9QbR27wn9Q

Presumably you wouldn't be happy if an elderly relative of yours was in hospital and died as a result of getting the flu off a nurse? Or would you just be happy the nurse wasn't made get a flu vaccine?

Brown Bomber

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Presumably you wouldn't be happy if an elderly relative of yours was in hospital and died as a result of getting the flu off a nurse? Or would you just be happy the nurse wasn't made get a flu vaccine?

Presumably you wouldn't be happy if your elderly relative was in the street and died getting the flu off a stranger? Therefore mandatory vaccinations, forced if necessary, is the only sensible option.

JustinDee

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Can you believe that people try to compare your employer demanding to wash your hands with your employer injecting chemicals into your body

Its a bloody hospital. Not your bog standard everyday place of employment. Sterile and germ free as possible is how any hospital is and should be run.
You've some fairly low standards in this regard, and I can only hope that if you are in employment that it is nowhere near the health sector.

Brown Bomber

JustinDee wrote: »

Its a bloody hospital. Not your bog standard everyday place of employment. Sterile and germ free as possible is how any hospital is and should be run.
You've some fairly low standards in this regard, and I can only hope that if you are in employment that it is nowhere near the health sector.

huh?

Guy:Incognito

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Presumably you wouldn't be happy if your elderly relative was in the street and died getting the flu off a stranger? Therefore mandatory vaccinations, forced if necessary, is the only sensible option.

On the street you expect to have to interact with the masses, which include the people with the fear of "the man". The idea of a hospital is to get cured, not to catch more diseases, and certainly not off the people that are supposed to be curing you.

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Can you believe that people try to compare your employer demanding to wash your hands with your employer injecting chemicals into your body.

In Indiana for your kids to receive an education they are required to have a series of chemicals pumped into their bodies as well.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?anno=2&depth=1&hl=sv&rurl=translate.google.se&sl=en&tl=sv&u=http://www.state.in.us/isdh/files/2013-2014_School_Immunization_Requirements_-_Proposed_2014-2015.pdf&usg=ALkJrhhrBTODQyt3dXN6JBeh9QbR27wn9Q

enno99 wrote: »

Where are they forced to wash their hands against their will ?

It's a standard requirement of health and safety in the hospital. If it was found that an employee was refusing to wash their hands they would be fired.

Vaccines help to stop the spread of diseases that can be fatal which the nurses would be in regular contact with and would be spreading from them before they realise they have it.

The issue is clear cut, and what aquarius/mysterious is claiming is not much different that declaring that washing your hands is unnecessary.
And describing it as "injecting chemicals into your body" is exactly as dishonest as claiming washing your hands is "spreading chemicals all over your body."

Jonny7

Aquarius34 wrote: »

No one, under any circumstances should force their will on others.

lord help you going through an airport and getting on a plane

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

It's a standard requirement of health and safety in the hospital. If it was found that an employee was refusing to wash their hands they would be fired.

What would make a professional health worker refuse to practice medical/general hygiene ?

You are clearly way off the mark with your comparison admit it and move on

Brown Bomber

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

On the street you expect to have to interact with the masses, which include the people with the fear of "the man". The idea of a hospital is to get cured, not to catch more diseases, and certainly not off the people that are supposed to be curing you.

... therefore immunisation should be a pre-condition for every incoming patient right? We can't have feeble. old Betty in the same waiting room with some snotty kids right? What if they kill her?

Guy:Incognito

Brown Bomber wrote: »

... therefore immunisation should be a pre-condition for every incoming patient right? We can't have feeble. old Betty in the same waiting room with some snotty kids right? What if they kill her?

Why do you continuously dodge?

Look, it's plain and simple. You shouldn't have to put up with contracting diseases from the bloody doctors and nurses.

Cookie_Monster

oh the horror, you know it happens here too right?

hfallada

A lot of healthcare workers have a no smoking clause in their contract even in their free time. No nurse got fired as she smelt like smoke after a lunch break and admitted she smoked and got fired on the spot

enno99

well worth a read if you have time

Deadly Medicine

Barlette & Steele



They have worked together as an investigative reporting team for more than 35 years, first at the Philadelphia Inquirer (1971-1997), then at Time Inc. (1997-2006), and now at Vanity Fair since 2006. Their work has earned them dozens of national awards. They are the only reporting team ever to have received two Pulitzer Prizes for newspaper reporting and two National Magazine Awards for magazine work.

$350 per Child

If the globalization of clinical trials for adult medications has drawn little attention, foreign trials for children’s drugs have attracted even less. The Argentinean province of Santiago del Estero, with a population of nearly a million, is one of the country’s poorest. In 2008 seven babies participating in drug testing in the province suffered what the U.S. clinical-trials community refers to as “an adverse event”: they died. The deaths occurred as the children took part in a medical trial to test the safety of a new vaccine, Synflorix, to prevent pneumonia, ear infections, and other pneumococcal diseases. Developed by GlaxoSmithKline, the world’s fourth-largest pharmaceutical company in terms of global prescription-drug sales, the new vaccine was intended to compete against an existing vaccine. In all, at least 14 infants enrolled in clinical trials for the drug died during the testing. Their parents, some illiterate, had their children signed up without understanding that they were taking part in an experiment. Local doctors who persuaded parents to enroll their babies in the trial reportedly received $350 per child. The two lead investigators contracted by Glaxo were fined by the Argentinean government. So was Glaxo, though the company maintained that the mortality rate of the children “did not exceed the rate in the regions and countries participating in the study.” No independent group conducted an investigation or performed autopsies. As it happens, the brother of the lead investigator in Santiago del Estero was the Argentinean provincial health minister.

http://www.barlettandsteele.com/journalism/vf_jan11_3.php

Brown Bomber

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Why do you continuously dodge?

Look, it's plain and simple. You shouldn't have to put up with contracting diseases from the bloody doctors and nurses.

So influenza vaccines guarantee you won't catch the flu then?

It is plain and simple. Your employer should not have the right to demand that you inject chemicals into your own body.

Guy:Incognito

Brown Bomber wrote: »

So influenza vaccines guarantee you won't catch the flu then?

It is plain and simple. Your employer should not have the right to demand that you inject chemicals into your own body.

Nothing guarantees anything, but patients deserve to be as protected as possible. People choose jobs. Conditions go along with those. They are free to choose jobs that don't have those conditions attached.

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

What would make a professional health worker refuse to practice medical/general hygiene ?

You are clearly way off the mark with your comparison admit it and move on

What would make them refuse to practice a sensible extension of that hygiene?

What makes refusing to be vaccinated any more valid than refusing to wash your hands?

Brown Bomber wrote: »

... therefore immunisation should be a pre-condition for every incoming patient right? We can't have feeble. old Betty in the same waiting room with some snotty kids right? What if they kill her?

Immunisation does not work 100% of the time, cannot be administered to 100% of the people and is not being forced onto people.
And unless you actually want hospitals to turn people away (which would then also no doubt be part of the conspiracy) you are going to have spreadable diseases in your hospital.

Hospitals take measures to avoid this however, such as trying to keep feeble old Betty from being exposed to those snot nose kids as much as possible.
The nurses however would be in contact with both and could easily pass the virus on even before feeling sick.
Vaccinating your employees means there is a lessened chance of them spreading the virus.
There is no real valid objection to this unless those nurses are unable to take the vaccine for some reason.

Brown Bomber

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Nothing guarantees anything, but patients deserve to be as protected as possible

Therefore a pre-condition of treatment for ALL patients is vaccination right? If not, they are not as protected as possible. And since we are demanding that staff inject chemicals into their own body why not force them to inject some stimulants, so they'll perform their duties more efficently?

While we are giving the best possible treatment shouldn't the directors take a pay cut and provide gas masks to every patient and staff member?

.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

People choose jobs. Conditions go along with those. They are free to choose jobs that don't have those conditions attached.

You'll find that they already had jobs that didn't include these conditions but apparently flu got a lot more serious profitable in the last 6 months.

And what about all those poor kids surrounded by viruses in their schools? They could die!!! Should we make vaccinations a pre-condition of education? Even if it's against the parents wishes? Sounds like blackmail to me. Of course we'll have all the teachers hooked up as well, doesn't matter what they think themselves, or how dedicated they have been in their careers to their students.

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It is plain and simple. Your employer should not have the right to demand that you inject chemicals into your own body.

Seems a common sense requirement to me.

Vaccinations Required
There are a number of vaccinations required by medical schools, some want you to have them done before you get there where others are happy to sort them for you. The specific requirements for each school may vary so it is wise to check with each you apply to.
Hepatitis B Vaccine

This is a vaccine that requires at least 3 doses and a blood test to check it's worked.
Short course vaccination schedules are available, reducing the time between doses but the longer schedule can take up to 9 months.
You may be charged for this vaccination – this is largely down to your individual GP/health centre policies. The charge will also vary depending on the place you get them done.
You may also be required (dependent on the individual schools) to be vaccinated against:

Measles, mumps, rubella
TB
Diphtheria, tetanus, polio
Meningitis
Haemophilus influenza B
Most of these vaccinations are given to you in infancy, some with boosters in your teens so try to get hold of your vaccination record before arranging further vaccinations.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/Immunisations_Required_For_Medical_School

enno99

I Haven.t read the pdf doc yet looks interesting

Secret government documents reveal vaccines to be a total hoax

http://www.naturalnews.com/038598_vaccines_medical_hoax_government_documents.html

JCVI was fully aware of MMR vaccine dangers as early as 1989, but covered them up
Beginning on page three of her report, Dr. Tomljenovic begins outlining the sordid details of meetings held as early as 1981 where the JCVI clearly engaged in fraud, cover-up, and lies about vaccines to protect the vaccine industry, not children, from harm. Minutes from these meetings reveal that the JCVI actively tried to cover up severe side effects associated with common vaccines like measles and whooping cough (pertussis), both of which were clearly linked at the time to causing severe brain damage in a substantial percentage of the children that received them.

Of particular concern was how the JCVI handled unfavorable data on the controversial MMR vaccine for measles, mumps, and rubella. 10 years before Dr. Andrew Wakefield published his study on MMR in The Lancet, JCVI was already fully aware that the National Institute for Biological Standards and Control (NIBSC) had identified a clear link between MMR and vaccine-induced meningitis and encephalitis. But rather than come forward with this information and call for further safety assessments on the vaccine, the JCVI instead censored this critical information from the public, and blatantly lied about the safety of MMR for years


http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf

Guy:Incognito

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Therefore a pre-condition of treatment for ALL patients is vaccination right? If not, they are not as protected as possible. And since we are demanding that staff inject chemicals into their own body why not force them to inject some stimulants, so they'll perform their duties more efficently?

While we are giving the best possible treatment shouldn't the directors take a pay cut and provide gas masks to every patient and staff member?

.
You'll find that they already had jobs that didn't include these conditions but apparently flu got a lot more serious profitable in the last 6 months.

And what about all those poor kids surrounded by viruses in their schools? They could die!!! Should we make vaccinations a pre-condition of education? Even if it's against the parents wishes? Sounds like blackmail to me. Of course we'll have all the teachers hooked up as well, doesn't matter what they think themselves, or how dedicated they have been in their careers to their students.

How come you only answer the questions and points that suit you and deflect the others by being "witty" or just ignore them? Stop your bull****ting.


Say your in getting treated for cancer. You immune system is shot to ****. Are you happy to be treated by doctors and nurses that could be carrying various communicable diseases that refused vaccines and are massively increasing your chances or catching them, which may well kill you before the cancer gets the chance too? or is your next answer going to ignore all that and go off on some tangent about the evils or chemo or radiation therapy?

I've first hand experience of someone who was all dead set against having any conventional cancer treatment at the start, though when it got down to it and it was life or death time, she ended up going accepted treatments. She's alive now. Score one to big Pharma eh? The evils bastards.

asherbassad

King Mob wrote: »

And you are totally fine with them being forced to wash their hands against their will?
I bet you even force the people preparing your food to do that as well...

That's another retarded analogy. Personal hygiene is mandatory in a medical environment and pretty damn stringent in places where food is prepared or served.

There's a huge difference between having someone wash their hands and forcing them to have a disease injected into them to produce antibodies. FFS

Your analogy is almost as pathetic as this one I heard once. I was watching a chat show one night and there were a few guests, one of whom was John Lydon (Johnny Rotten of Sex Pistols fame). The question came up regarding people wanting there to be signers at comedy shows so deaf people could understand the jokes too. Lydon logically pointed out the irrationality of this and asked where it would end, i.e. what about people who don't speak English? Should there be translators for them, etc? He said if people really wanted to attend these shows they should bring along their own signer/translator. Another (American) woman on the show took umbrage at this and in an attempt to be smart she mentioned special ramps/exits for disabled people. Her moronic question was "should we expect disabled people to bring their own exits?"

She waited for laughter or applause. It didn't come. Lydon stared at her blankly and she looked like a cretin.

Your analogy was almost as dumb as hers, pal.

asherbassad

Aquarius34 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

No one, under any circumstances should force their will on others. If that is the way to go about this, then everything about morals, health, concern, and respect goes out the window.

We do not need vaccinations. That is the whole bogus deception. If it is so then nature obviously must of gotten everything all wrong or we should of died millions of years ago. The problem is we create man made problems and create man made tools to try solve the problems we create.

Our immune system has the capability of defending against disease once, you develop your immune system. We also do not need to vaccinate our children and I know plenty of mothers who are not vaccinating their children anymore.
There are other ways of combating illness and we do not need snyethic means to protect us from disease.

I wasn't being serious about forcing the patients to have vaccines, Aquarius

asherbassad

asherbassad wrote: »

That's another retarded analogy. Personal hygiene is mandatory in a medical environment and pretty damn stringent in places where food is prepared or served.

There's a huge difference between having someone wash their hands and forcing them to have a disease injected into them to produce antibodies. FFS

What's the huge difference then?
They are washing their hands in a dangerous chemical as Jonny7 pointed out, typically with large doses of ethanol and other hazardous compounds.

Yet doing so helps stop the spread of diseases to people who are more susceptible to them in an environment where those germs will be spread.
Vaccination is no different.

Characterising it as "having a disease injected into them to produce antibodies" is simply a case of twisting and distorting the language to make it sound more terrifying than it is in exactly the same way water becomes the terrifying DHMO.

And what about the patients they would put at more risk? Do they get a say in any of this? Why do the rights of people who knowingly choose a career that they must know might require them getting vaccines trump the rights of their patients to safety?

In fact some Muslims refuse to even touch alcohol in bottles, thus have a "good" religious reason for not wanting to disinfect their hands (unlike these nurses). Why do you want to strip these Muslims of their rights and force them to do something against their religion?

FREETV

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How come you only answer the questions and points that suit you and deflect the others by being "witty" or just ignore them? Stop your bull****ting.


Say your in getting treated for cancer. You immune system is shot to ****. Are you happy to be treated by doctors and nurses that could be carrying various communicable diseases that refused vaccines and are massively increasing your chances or catching them, which may well kill you before the cancer gets the chance too? or is your next answer going to ignore all that and go off on some tangent about the evils or chemo or radiation therapy?

I've first hand experience of someone who was all dead set against having any conventional cancer treatment at the start, though when it got down to it and it was life or death time, she ended up going accepted treatments. She's alive now. Score one to big Pharma eh? The evils bastards.

Make sure that you try GcMAF. They will not take on the cure as they cannot patent it and make money from it. I know of someone who was cured, had massive tumors and got the injections in Germany. [MOD SNIP]

jh79

FREETV wrote: »

Make sure that you try GcMAF. They will not take on the cure as they cannot patent it and make money from it. I know of someone who was cured, had massive tumors and got the injections in Germany. [MOD SNIP]

Another cure for cancer in the CT forum!

Think I'll start smoking again