Guy shot in Dublin earlier, awful news or just deserts?

Ideo

I saw this on the news this evening, some 18 year old was shot in the head earlier today.

The report on the 9 news said that he was from criminal family, Dealing drugs etc and was suspect of some other shooting.

Does anybody else feel like its just deserts? Too long have scumbags had the run of town, let them murder each other for all I care

http://www.rte.ie/news//news/2013/0113/dublin-shooting.html

frag420

So how many scumbags are left now?

tonycascarino

Could not care less. Let them all shoot each other.

Bipolar Joe

It's never nice when someone dies, even when that person is bad.

Pherekydes

No deserts in Dublin, or Ireland.

K3lso

The problem stems from the fact that these substances are illegal.

If you legalised drugs and I mean all drugs, you'd have a situation where the only people dying would be those stupid enough to OD on them. Prohibiting drugs brings in massive amounts of criminal aspects into the mix...it's just a total nightmare.

The only way forward is to legalise drugs.

RikkFlair

I'm just getting a photo of a sad Bosco from that link.......

THEY SHOT BOSCO!? :eek:

DarkJager

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

It's never nice when someone dies, even when that person is bad.

Of course it is, their deaths should be celebrated.

girl2

That lad was 18 - knew no better…was criminalised only because of those around him - sure what chance had he in life?

I think it's sad. A young life. Sad times people.

MJ23

Was it Nidge ?

Please Kill Me

Yep, one less scumbag to worry about. The cops won't/don't do anything about it so let them all kill each other.

hatrickpatrick

The number of people who wink at sh!te like this is shocking and is exactly why our country is so amazingly f*cked up.

NOBODY has the right to kill another person. End of story.

My name is URL

let them murder each other for all I care

You do realise that when they're murdering each other; it's usually a sign that police are unable to deal with it and innocent people are more likely to get caught up in it?

But yeah.. let all the scumbags kill each other. Only a matter of time then until someone calls you a scumbag.

Celly Smunt

Pherekydes wrote: »

No deserts in Dublin, or Ireland.

the burren is a desert.

tonycascarino

I can just imagine his relatives ringing in FM104 saying ''He was the nicest guy you could meet... he wouldn't hurt a fly...lovely kid'' etc. etc.

Nervous Nigel

Good riddance.

One less subhuman scumbag for real people to have to worry about.

Lob his body on a bonfire as a warning to the rest of them.

hawkelady

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The number of people who wink at sh!te like this is shocking and is exactly why our country is so amazingly f*cked up.

NOBODY has the right to kill another person. End of story.

I don't understand this comment... Why are people winking again??

Festy

Jesus wept

RacoonQueen

Would often be in that park with dogs and nephews on a Sunday afternoon.

Not what you want around you.

Duckworth_Luas

RikkFlair wrote: »

I'm just getting a photo of a sad Bosco from that link.......

THEY SHOT BOSCO!? :eek:

Bosco contracted woodworm from Pat Kenny in 1998, died in 99.

Pat, however, is alive and well and is farming badgers in Dalkey!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Occupational hazard, I beleive.

Loss of a life is tragic, but he probably lost it some time ago.

The "one less scumbag" line is a bit pointless because unless you can eradicate the problem, there's not really point in celebrating one less. The junkies will only get their fix from someone else so it's not saving anyone.

Nervous Nigel

hawkelady wrote: »

Why are people winking again?

Yer man's anus probably winked when he saw the gun pointed at him.

The King of Moo

I can't think of any situation in which a reasonable human being would applaud the murder of a teenager.

In this case, the young man was from a criminal family and thus doubtless had little chance of not becoming involved in a life of crime.

Further to this, do any of the witless people who would claim to support such retributive murder see no possible negative consequences of said murder for innocent people in the wrong place at the wrong time?

This place is getting more like the comments section on a dailymail.co.uk article.

TheBegotten

Can it not be both? From the sounds of it, he was a scumbag who probably deserved it, but he was still a human being with the same emotions and memories as everyone else. His mother loved him, to s greater or lesser degree, he had friends who liked him and possibly a pet, whose love was no less unconditional for him being a total scumbag.

My name is URL

Nervous Nigel wrote: »

Yer man's anus probably winked when he saw the gun pointed at him.

AH, 2013

Odysseus

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Would often be in that park with dogs and nephews on a Sunday afternoon.

Not what you want around you.

I was around the area on my bike, I had two different cop cars following at different times.

Why do people associate motor bikes with stuff like this, I would expect better off the cops.

Anyway whilst I have no time for criminality, you can't go around shooting people RIP.

sfwcork

girl2 wrote: »

That lad was 18 - knew no better…was criminalised only because of those around him - sure what chance had he in life?

I think it's sad. A young life. Sad times people.

He was 18 not 12.he choose his path

Nervous Nigel

TheBegotten wrote: »

Can it not be both? From the sounds of it, he was a scumbag who probably deserved it, but he was still a human being with the same emotions and memories as everyone else. His mother loved him, to s greater or lesser degree, he had friends who liked him and possibly a pet, whose love was no less unconditional for him being a total scumbag.

A bit like Aido's budgie?

WindSock

How else are us middle class **** going to buy and take drugs if we don't have these 'lowlife scumbags' out there dealing them to us?

Difference Engine

It wasn't like the guy had no choice in the lifestyle he chose. I'm going to assume he had the usual unfortunate upbringing. Thing is though, for every guy like him there are far more that came through that kind of upbringing and turned out to be decent people.

Letting them kill each other is only going to mean more innocent people getting hurt. The Gardai need to get our backing and resources to hit these guys hard for as long as it takes.

None of this hand wringing and talk about understanding the poor souls. These guys are violent sociopaths for the most part and that can't be cured. Containment, not rehabilitation, should be the emphasis here.

Jacob T

People saying "Just let them shoot each other, eventually the problem will self-implode" etc, obviously don't understand criminality or the justice system. This happened at 3pm on a Sunday afternoon in a public park. Do we really want a society like that? Where you can't even go for a Sunday walk in your local park with your children for fear of stray bullets flying around the place and wild-west shootouts happening in front of you. I certainly don't anyway.

ProudDUB

tonycascarino wrote: »

I can just imagine his relatives ringing in FM104 saying ''He was the nicest guy you could meet... he wouldn't hurt a fly...lovely kid'' etc. etc.

That's par for the course these days. What I don't get is that the priest who will say his funeral Mass will also probably go on and on about what a great guy he was who loved his family blah blah blah...:rolleyes:

I'd love to see one of them have the balls to get and give a "you live by the sword, you die by the sword" sermon. Or at least something that may make the people there stop and think (even for a second) that their " lifestyle choices" offers up a lot more victims than just the person a few feet away from them in the shiny oak box !

nocoverart

Pherekydes wrote: »

No deserts in Dublin, or Ireland.

I had a lemon meringue pie in Dublin once

Absolutezero

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

It's never nice when someone dies, even when that person is bad.

Appalling comment. Hitler?

Absolutezero

Pherekydes wrote: »

No deserts in Dublin, or Ireland.

Geographically speaking, probably correct. Would the Burren count?

jaffacakesyum

The King of Moo wrote: »

I can't think of any situation in which a reasonable human being would applaud the murder of a teenager.

This.

Fcuking hell I know it's AH but still...

I'm sure this guy was no angel and I wish the police had caught him, imprisoned him and rehabilitated him before it got too late and now he's dead. Only 18 years old. Very sad.

sfwcork

People that are claiming "oh so sad only 18" are forgetting that he was also a suspect for a murder

MaxSteele

I know plenty of decent people with scumbag siblings and relatives. No excuse for being an anti social scrote though.

girl2

sfwcork wrote: »

He was 18 not 12.he choose his path

Yes, and very impressionable in his teenage years. Plus the fact they were family members how, HOW did he even have a choice?

Grow up.

longhalloween

sfwcork wrote: »

He was 18 not 12.he choose his path

How many people can safely say they chose their own path in life?

I wouldn't imagine there's too many around now who can say their lives are exactly how they imagined they would be.

Overheal

tonycascarino wrote: »

Could not care less. Let them all shoot each other.

That attitude works wonders in Los Angeles

sfwcork

girl2 wrote: »

Yes, and very impressionable in his teenage years. Plus the fact they were family members how, HOW did he even have a choice?

Grow up.

I think you need to step into the realworld..oh so the wee kid was pushed into crime is it

The King of Moo

Difference Engine wrote: »

It wasn't like the guy had no choice in the lifestyle he chose. I'm going to assume he had the usual unfortunate upbringing. Thing is though, for every guy like him there are far more that came through that kind of upbringing and turned out to be decent people.

I seriously doubt that. Do you have any figures? If you grow up in an environment where violence and crime are not only the norm, but rewarded by acceptance among your peer group and even your family, it's very hard not to get involved in that.

Difference Engine wrote: »

Letting them kill each other is only going to mean more innocent people getting hurt. The Gardai need to get our backing and resources to hit these guys hard for as long as it takes.

None of this hand wringing and talk about understanding the poor souls. These guys are violent sociopaths for the most part and that can't be cured. Containment, not rehabilitation, should be the emphasis here.

People like to say these things as it makes the situation seem simpler and also helps to distance them from such people by thinking of them as monsters and not people not dissimilar to themselves.
Don't you think it's a remarkable coincidence that all of these "violent sociopaths" tend to come from similar backgrounds and even from the same specific areas?

Absolutezero

The King of Moo wrote: »

I can't think of any situation in which a reasonable human being would applaud the murder of a teenager.

In this case, the young man was from a criminal family and thus doubtless had little chance of not becoming involved in a life of crime.

Further to this, do any of the witless people who would claim to support such retributive murder see no possible negative consequences of said murder for innocent people in the wrong place at the wrong time?

This place is getting more like the comments section on a dailymail.co.uk article.

Why are you focussing on the age of this person? Criminals killing criminals means that there is one less to prey on ordinary people. I wouldn't name call you as witless because you have your view of this but I would see your attitude as part of the problem.

GHOST MGG

you live by the sword you die by the sword...
enough said

Nervous Nigel

He lived like an animal and was slain like an animal...end of story.

Hopefully the sticky end that he came to will encourage younger scrotes not to get involved in crime.

Absolutezero

TheBegotten wrote: »

Can it not be both? From the sounds of it, he was a scumbag who probably deserved it, but he was still a human being with the same emotions and memories as everyone else. His mother loved him, to s greater or lesser degree, he had friends who liked him and possibly a pet, whose love was no less unconditional for him being a total scumbag.

I wonder about this: do criminals who reduce others lives to misery and desolation have the same emotions? Empathy would seem to be absent. Psychopaths don't do guilt...

mark renton

Jesus H Christ, some drama queens on here tonight...

Nobody is dead, and the chances of being hit by by a stray bullet in this city are similar to winning the lottery 5 weeks in a row...

Jacob T

GHOST MGG wrote: »

you live by the sword you die by the sword...
enough said

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

I'm sure this guy was no angel and I wish the police had caught him, imprisoned him and rehabilitated him before it got too late and now he's dead. Only 18 years old. Very sad.

Nervous Nigel wrote: »

He lived like an animal and was slain like an animal...end of story.

He's not dead

Odysseus

Absolutezero wrote: »

I wonder about this: do criminals who reduce others lives to misery and desolation have the same emotions? Empathy would seem to be absent. Psychopaths don't do guilt...

How do we know this poor chap was a psychopath? What are you basing that on? Just because a person may be involved in criminality, it does not make him a psychopath.


Did you know him personally? Well enough to diagnosis psychopathy?

jaffacakesyum

Jacob T wrote: »

He's not dead

Apologies. Couldn't get into the link and assumed having been shot in the head he had died.

I'm sure the people of AH will be so upset it was all a false alarm :rolleyes: