Should gaelic football be renamed handball?

romaderwdcsax

Its been annoying me for a while now all this hand passing in gaa football. The skills of the foot pass are nearly extinct due to the total over use of hand passing. Also its a disgrace to see inter county players that struggle to kick the ball over the bar from 30/40 yrds. It has ruined the game imo. At least in proper football(soccer) the game is mainly played on the floor and its a joy to watch the likes of barcelona in action compared to most gaa games nowadays.

super_furry

Good effort but you give the game away with the 'proper football' part. Try again, or rather, don't.

full_irish

No.

There's already more than one sport called 'handball'. One of them is one of the four official sports of the GAA for gods sake!

GAA handball

Olympic Handball

romaderwdcsax

Ya i know that but maybe the gaa should bring in something to lessen the amount of hand passes in a match. It's a joke seeing talented inter county/club players relying a lot on hand passing instead of the skill which is the foot pass. A lot of players struggle to kick a simple pass to their team mate 30 yards away.

Alias G

super_furry wrote: »

Good effort but you give the game away with the 'proper football' part. Try again, or rather, don't.

He's totally right though.

Frankie Lee

I think American Football and Rugby Football would be required to lose the foot part of their names first.

GreeBo

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I think American Football and Rugby Football would be required to lose the foot part of their names first.

In rugby every single time the game is stopped for any reason it is restarted with.....a foot.

Frankie Lee

GreeBo wrote: »

In rugby every single time the game is stopped for any reason it is restarted with.....a foot.

Lineouts? Scrums?

Dirty Dingus McGee

Players have always found it relatively difficult to kick the ball over the bar from over 30/40 yards thats why good forwards are so valuable to a team.Its difficult to get scores from medium range out when you have a player marking you tightly and you only have minimal time to get a shot off.Players handpass the ball more often because some managers copped on that it was better to be patient and retain possession and give a proper pass rather than to send hopeful balls in towards the forwards, where possession would most likely be surrendered.In general players are a good deal more skilful these days and if people watched full games from the past and not highlights they would recognise this instead of listening to former players trying to enhance their own reputation by building up the game when it was played when they were players.

GreeBo

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Lineouts? Scrums?

ok lineouts (but they are typically caused by....)
In a scrum the ball is heeled back by the hooker.

Israel_Dagg

I agree.
It's great to watch when a team has a playmaker, like Padraig Joyce used to do in his last few years. Kicking clever passes 20 or 30 yards. These hand passes are incredibly boring and ugly to watch.

manofwisdom

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I think American Football and Rugby Football would be required to lose the foot part of their names first.

American/Rugby handegg perhaps?

WesternZulu

I would argue that the art of the kick has never been higher.
When you look back at some of the so called classic games of the 70's and 80's a lot of the kick passing was aimless and the games terrible when compared to today's standard.

The way that the game has evolved is that forwards have less and less time now to put scores away compared to years ago.
Every player now has to be comfortable on the ball whereas in the 70's you'd see clips of a corner back running with the ball hardly able to solo, yet this is the era we are led to believe that was the pinnacle of Gaelic football.

I don't think there is any other sport that gets ridiculed in the manner Gaelic football does when imo it does not deserve such treatment.

Dirty Dingus McGee

WesternZulu wrote: »

I would argue that the art of the kick has never been higher.
When you look back at some of the so called classic games of the 70's and 80's a lot of the kick passing was aimless and the games terrible when compared to today's standard.

The way that the game has evolved is that forwards have less and less time now to put scores away compared to years ago.
Every player now has to be comfortable on the ball whereas in the 70's you'd see clips of a corner back running with the ball hardly able to solo, yet this is the era we are led to believe that was the pinnacle of Gaelic football.

I don't think there is any other sport that gets ridiculed in the manner Gaelic football does when imo it does not deserve such treatment.

+1

Nostalgia is killing proper analysis of Gaelic football and causing far too much whinging by people.Defenders these days are far more accomplished footballers than at any other point in the past.

romaderwdcsax

For all the gaa lads on here im not anti gaa. I love hurling. In every country they say rugby not rugby football. I agree with the america football statement. Gaelic has got a lot more skillfull in the recent years. Football to me should be played with the foot not constant hand passing. If u watch arsenal/man city/swansea playing football its lovely to watch compared to watching ireland playing football which is the wrong way to play it. Even tho i was in poland and am going to sweden:mad: And also with football being my no.1 game i'm not disagreeing that the game is full of problems i.e too much money/diving/cheating/racism.

WesternZulu

romaderwdcsax wrote: »

For all the gaa lads on here im not anti gaa. I love hurling. In every country they say rugby not rugby football. I agree with the america football statement. Gaelic has got a lot more skillfull in the recent years. Football to me should be played with the foot not constant hand passing. If u watch arsenal/man city/swansea playing football its lovely to watch compared to watching ireland playing football which is the wrong way to play it. Even tho i was in poland and am going to sweden:mad:

Every sport has it's flaws.
Look at soccer and diving.
Look at rugby and the problems with the scrum.
Look at hurling and it's dominance by one team.

I read somewhere that on the late 1990's Aussie rules experienced something similar to the packed defence (which promotes hand passing), with players flooding back when not in possession, a system that Tyrone and now Donegal have utilized so effectively.

There was a call then for a change in rules but the game evolved and I'm in no doubt that football will do the same.

romaderwdcsax

Every sport has its problems, cycling with drugs and my game football with diving/money as i said earlier. But imo if you call a game football it should use the foot a lot more then use the hand.

WesternZulu

romaderwdcsax wrote: »

Every sport has its problems, cycling with drugs and my game football with diving/money as i said earlier. But imo if you call a game football it should use the foot a lot more then use the hand.

Says who?

In soccer you can use your head, chest, knee, thigh, arse to play the ball...surely only a game where you can only exclusively use your foot should be deemed 'football'?

inc21

Q Should gaelic football be renamed handball?

A: Yes.

Israel_Dagg

WesternZulu wrote: »

Says who?

In soccer you can use your head, chest, knee, thigh, arse to play the ball...surely only a game where you can only exclusively use your foot should be deemed 'football'?

He didn't say that.

romaderwdcsax

I agree with everything you said. But in football most of the time they use their feet to play the ball, in gaa they try there best not to use the foot. All the good football teams play it on the ground using there feet i.e barca/spain, in gaa they use the hands as much as possible, which is why it should be renamed handball.

Sam Kade

romaderwdcsax wrote: »

Its been annoying me for a while now all this hand passing in gaa football. The skills of the foot pass are nearly extinct due to the total over use of hand passing. Also its a disgrace to see inter county players that struggle to kick the ball over the bar from 30/40 yrds. It has ruined the game imo. At least in proper football(soccer) the game is mainly played on the floor and its a joy to watch the likes of barcelona in action compared to most gaa games nowadays.

If it's outdoors it's the ground unless you are English Should soccer be renamed headball :rolleyes:

WesternZulu

romaderwdcsax wrote: »

I agree with everything you said. But in football most of the time they use their feet to play the ball, in gaa they try there best not to use the foot. All the good football teams play it on the ground using there feet i.e barca/spain, in gaa they use the hands as much as possible, which is why it should be renamed handball.

You are generalizing somewhat I feel.
Chelsea won the champions league last year playing a brand of soccer that was terrible to watch. Likewise Greece won the euros I'm 2004 playing in a similar fashion...conservative styles comparable to hand passing in Gaelic.
Ireland during the good times of 88, 1990, and 1994 played hoofball throughout the Charlton era, something Stoke do now.

My point is teams do what they have to to win even if it's ugly.
Not all Gaelic teams use the hand pass to the extent you depict. Donegal tried that in 2011 and got ridiculed for it but on the end it only got them so far and in 2012 used a lot more direct kick passing and now are All-Ireland champions.

The term football describes a sport where you can use your foot, something that is still very prevalent in Gaelic football despite what the media say.

romaderwdcsax

Head ball???? I take it you support stoke city

Dirty Dingus McGee

romaderwdcsax wrote: »

I agree with everything you said. But in football most of the time they use their feet to play the ball, in gaa they try there best not to use the foot. All the good football teams play it on the ground using there feet i.e barca/spain, in gaa they use the hands as much as possible, which is why it should be renamed handball.

Ae you seriously suggesting the GAA rename the sport?

If you are you're not very bright.No sport as far as I know has never been renamed regardless of the changes in tactics and strategy which occurs with all sports as they evolve.

Hammer Archer

Christ lads, can ye not spot the obvious troll?

romaderwdcsax

Westernzulu i agree the type of football chelsea played to win the european cup was shocking, drogba playing as full back a lot during the game against barca was a joke. Same as greece. But at the same time the teams that play proper football usually do very well over a season compared to teams that hoof it. If you watch the northern style of gaa they play i.e blanket defense its boring and time to turn off the tv.

romaderwdcsax

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Christ lads, can ye not spot the obvious troll?

Im not a troll as you put it;)

romaderwdcsax

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Ae you seriously suggesting the GAA rename the sport?

If you are you're not very bright.No sport as far as I know has never been renamed regardless of the changes in tactics and strategy which occurs with all sports as they evolve.

All im saying is in this country people should call it gaa football instead of just football. At least then we will know what the gaa lads are talking about. Also i have a big iq so don,t question my brightness.

Dirty Dingus McGee

romaderwdcsax wrote: »

All im saying is in this country people should call it gaa football instead of just football. At least then we will know what the gaa lads are talking about. Also i have a big iq so don,t question my brightness.

People can call the game football if they like its what most people who follow the game refer to it as you can call it what you like I doubt anyone gives a toss.

overshoot

romaderwdcsax wrote: »

All im saying is in this country people should call it gaa football instead of just football. At least then we will know what the gaa lads are talking about. Also i have a big iq so don,t question my brightness.

i dunno, me and the lads get on fine calling them both football, its not like the team names, player names, rules, stadiums, main playing season really match up... (bar the playing season you could even include the LOI... which you hadnt anyway). in otherwords we manage not to get confused and all with our average iq;)

Rory1

romaderwdcsax wrote: »

Its been annoying me for a while now all this hand passing in gaa football. The skills of the foot pass are nearly extinct due to the total over use of hand passing. Also its a disgrace to see inter county players that struggle to kick the ball over the bar from 30/40 yrds. It has ruined the game imo. At least in proper football(soccer) the game is mainly played on the floor and its a joy to watch the likes of barcelona in action compared to most gaa games nowadays.

no

Sam Kade

romaderwdcsax wrote: »

All im saying is in this country people should call it gaa football instead of just football. At least then we will know what the gaa lads are talking about. Also i have a big iq so don,t question my brightness.

Just call English football soccer problem solved If that doesn't simplify it enough for you you will have to start questioning your IQ :rolleyes:

randd1

No it shouldn't.

Despite the naysayers, the foot is still very much used in football. How many scores are not got with the foot? 5% max, if even that?

Hand-passing is very much to the fore but there is still a bit of foot passing in the game. Add in sidelines, frees and kickouts and the foot is still very much in football.

harpsman

GreeBo wrote: »

In rugby every single time the game is stopped for any reason it is restarted with.....a foot.

hilarious-most stupid post ever.

harpsman

WesternZulu wrote: »

I would argue that the art of the kick has never been higher.
When you look back at some of the so called classic games of the 70's and 80's a lot of the kick passing was aimless and the games terrible when compared to today's standard.

The way that the game has evolved is that forwards have less and less time now to put scores away compared to years ago.
Every player now has to be comfortable on the ball whereas in the 70's you'd see clips of a corner back running with the ball hardly able to solo, yet this is the era we are led to believe that was the pinnacle of Gaelic football.

I don't think there is any other sport that gets ridiculed in the manner Gaelic football does when imo it does not deserve such treatment.

+1

mackeire

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I think American Football and Rugby Football would be required to lose the foot part of their names first.

Alternative names could be stop ball and pass ball.

davegrohl48

The accurate kick passing of Kevin Mcgloughlin and Karl Lacey did not receive the attention due by analysts They want kicking n then when players execute it really well is it highlighted enough I don't think so

yop

romaderwdcsax wrote: »

All im saying is in this country people should call it gaa football instead of just football. At least then we will know what the gaa lads are talking about. Also i have a big iq so don,t question my brightness.

Lol class. Are you a politican by any chance? They seem to think they have big IQ and know everything also, that hasn't worked out too well!

No we shouldn't rename it, its football, we all know what football is, so its sound really.
Handpass is used as required, sometimes its over used and a long footpass is great to see, but again no dice with the changes there.

smashey

Oh dear. Troll is as troll does.

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