Cheapest hours possible

lomb

Whats the cheapest permit to fly used aircraft(single seater ok) in terms of fuel burn per hour that qualifies for hours under the PPL or CPL (not microlight class). A vintage aircraft if suitably built(safe) would be ok. What are the little Jodels like?
Id like to rack up the hours to a multi/cpl/meir as safe, cheap and quick as possible the following summer so planning ahead.

Stovepipe

Hi there,
First you have to find someone who's willing to let you use their classic or homebuilt, especially if it's a tailwheeler, operating off grass. then you have to persuade them to let you use it for long cross countries, which may involve the use of tarmac runways in crosswinds, not always doable in old tailwheelers. Then you have to get put on the insurance and get checked out. Also, a lot of vintage and classic and homebuilt aircraft are slow, have no starter motor, no avionics (so you can't practise with the VOR or ADF), no transponder (so you can't go into controlled airspace) and are less stable than a PA28.Still interested?...........Jodels are a lovely aircraft. So are Cubs (fun but as slow as glacial drift), Colts, Aeroncas and Cessna 120s/140s. Typical fuel burn is anything from 4 gals/hr for the smaller Continentals up. It might be better for you to join a club or syndicate on a 150 or a Cherry 140.

regards
Stovepipe

lomb

Thanks for that Stovepipe. Thing is aviation to me is just a hobby and Im not going to take out loans to fund something thats a hobby. People do PPLs and never do anything with it because its too dear.
4 gallons an hour is only 14 liters an hour or 23 Euro an hour in mogas. Lets say I bought a Jodel, stuck it in Kilrush for 1000 a year, paid 1000 insurance third party, racked up 200 hours in it. Thats a very cheap way of getting a load of letters after your name say going the FAA route for multi, multi IR . Say another 10k but thats for later could do the multi here or in the UK. I could let the Jodel on for a little less than I paid for it after a summer of heavy use to take account of the hours lost on the engine. You could never use a syndicate aircraft like your own anyway with all the messing around theres alot of time wasting etc.
Vor is on flightsim:)
I think a PA28 or Cessna burns around 70 Euros an hour, add to that they arent permit aircraft so need 6k of maintainance+insurance+hangerage per year.

phonypony

On the one hand you say aviation is 'just a hobby', yet you want to get a CPL/MEIR? Do you have a PPL at the moment?

With hour building, the advice that is plastered all over the Internet and given by pretty much anyone you will speak to is don't waste the opportunity to learn whilst doing it. With no VORs/ADF/DME on board you're missing an opportunity to become comfortable with using such aids, with no transponder you're missing the opportunity to fly through controlled airspace. In a single seater you can't fly with others and share knowledge and cost-share on longer trips. All of this usually translates to more money spent later at commercial training prices.

Stovepipe

He's right. You're probably better off to source an aircraft in the UK or USA to hours build on. You sound like you need to sit down and carefully work out your actual plan, because if you regard it as a hobby, you won't make it to the cockpit of an airliner.
regards
Stovepipe

Xpro

Hi,
There is one aircraft available in eiab. Class A Sep, samba xxl, even though the aircraft itself is certified by its producer as a microlight, Irish IAA have it down as a class A because it was homebuilt and it exceeds 540kg tow.
120€ per hour, which isn't to bad consdering what other schools charge. These days nearly 200€ to fly 152:eek:

LeftBase

I've never met anyone who has a CPL/IR for a hobby......Maybe a hobby MEIR if you were made of money!?

To be honest if we are misunderstanding you and you plan to go airline, then having the bulk of your hours done in a canoe with a lawnmower engine will not look good in the aul interview!

lomb

I know of a few people in professions other than aviation in the UK that have meir and multi rating though not sure if they have cpl. One uses the meir (owns a diamond twinstar) and flys to Europe/Ireland regularly and the other doesnt but owns a piper pa 32. I personally have no use for a cpl but would like to get the multi for reasons of wanting to fly a twin. Not much point in flying a twin without the paper at the end and achieving something. The meir is a long term goal and is time consuming under JAR but achievable under FAA although I know it entitles to N reg use only and even that may change.

I indeed will be purchasing a Jodel this summer after studying the figures. Il have 70 hours racked up by the end of the year that way whereas the club or renting route would be probably 1/3 of that. No point in spending 150 an hour on someone elses time when I can have my own machine for less taking into account purchase,resale within a year so permit/maintainance hopefully not an issue, insurance, fuel,hangarage. As said above the UK looks like a likely place to buy from. Can never take someone elses machine up every evening in the summer if one wishes...

Thanks for all the advice guys

highlydebased

LeftBase wrote: »

in a canoe with a lawnmower engine

Stovepipe

Left base is clearly a philistine, who has probably never flown the sweet-handling Jodels, just the usual club-footed Cherokees. Seriously, OP, sit down and think thru your plan, otherwise you are wasting your time.

regards
Stovepipe

EI-DOR

These days nearly 200€ to fly 152

Getting as bad as the Rotary side!

LeftBase

EI-DOR wrote: »

Getting as bad as the Rotary side!

If memory serves it was something like 182e/h last time I flew one(about 3 weeks ago)

EI-DOR

Suppose it is still cheaper than Helicopters!