Pet shop selling mongrel puppies in the window?

ShaShaBear

A petshop close by me is selling spaniel/JRT cross puppies for €120 each, displaying them in the front window! :mad: It really annoys me since the SPCA for that area is constantly canvassing for homes for old and young dogs alike! Is there anything I can do here?

Sigma Force

Seriously? What a shame. I guess you could contact the SPCA and let them know but probably nothing they can do but maybe discourage the shop from selling them. Don't think it's illegal sadly :-(

ShaShaBear

Sigma Force wrote: »

Seriously? What a shame. I guess you could contact the SPCA and let them know but probably nothing they can do but maybe discourage the shop from selling them. Don't think it's illegal sadly :-(

Was so annoyed and even voiced my opinion - it's €120 to rehome a dog from the local shelter that has been vaccinated, wormed, neutered and chipped, and this place is selling on cross-breed puppies at that price, and from what I can read they've only been wormed!

DBB

This is a battle I've fought many times ShaShaBear, there were FOUR pet shops in my county selling pups during the boom... none of them are selling them any more as the market crashed and they could no longer charge stupid money for substandard pups.
It's not illegal, unfortunately. There's a good chance that these pups belong to a friend of someone from the shop, they may just be selling them for a favour... but €120? They could be waiting a while to get that sort of price for them! Anyone who'd buy their pup from a pet shop would want their head examined.
You could write to them, or talk in person, and tell them that you will not be using the shop again, and neither will any of your friends. Okay, you may never have used it, but they don't know that! It might make no difference, but you never know, perhaps it'll strike a chord with someone in there.

PS ShaSHaBear, have only just copped that we share a county.. so I've a fair idea which shop is selling these pups. The shop in Drogheda, and the two shops in Dundalk, are owned by the same family, one of the directors is a very senior member of the IKC... I can't even begin to tell you the rows I had with the IKC over their stated disapproval of pups being sold from pet shops, yet one of their Ard Comhairle members was selling them from his shops hand over fist.... did they do anything? Of course not. Sure, the same fella could be judging their dogs in the next show! They haven't been selling pups regularly for a while now, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a favour for a friend seeing as they're xbreeds.

ShaShaBear

DBB wrote: »

This is a battle I've fought many times ShaShaBear, there were FOUR pet shops in my county selling pups during the boom... none of them are selling them any more as the market crashed and they could no longer charge stupid money for substandard pups.
It's not illegal, unfortunately. There's a good chance that these pups belong to a friend of someone from the shop, they may just be selling them for a favour... but €120? They could be waiting a while to get that sort of price for them! Anyone who'd buy their pup from a pet shop would want their head examined.
You could write to them, or talk in person, and tell them that you will not be using the shop again, and neither will any of your friends. Okay, you may never have used it, but they don't know that! It might make no difference, but you never know, perhaps it'll strike a chord with someone in there.

I voiced my opinion on the page, a few people had enquired the price on a photo of the pups on Facebook and when she said €120 I wrote "I thought you said the pups were mongrels? *** Dog Shelter charges half that for mongrel puppies that have everything except their spay/neuter! Was hoping that at least one person would see it. They've had a stream of puppies and kittens over the past few months, collie pups there a few weeks ago, and KC/JRT crosses literally the day before Christmas. There was only one bitch left that they had to try and pawn off before they closed up! I can't understand why they don't take pups from the local SPCA and try to get people to take them, maybe do up a puppy hamper for people adopting so that they can make some profit and help at the same time!

And the area the pet shop is in, like as not anyone who buys one has no interest in dogs

Edit: Yep DBB, I'm talking about the smaller one in Dundalk, they have them at the minute and I'm so fuming! But they've sold three litters since November

ERPR

What is wrong with buying a doggie out of a shop exactly?

ShaShaBear

ERPR wrote: »

What is wrong with buying a doggie out of a shop exactly?

Buying a mongrel when people are trying to give them away for free is the main issue, as well as the fact that the conditions theyre kept in is substandard:(

ERPR

ShaShaBear wrote: »

Buying a mongrel when people are trying to give them away for free is the main issue, as well as the fact that the conditions theyre kept in is substandard:(

They might be especially cute- I would pay big bucks for some yoke that looked like Benji.

ShaShaBear

ERPR wrote: »

They might be especially cute- I would pay big bucks for some yoke that looked like Benji.

There are especially cute ones in the local rescue that have been seen by a vet for one third the price this pet shop is charging for pups that have not seen a vet.
If Im paying big bucks for a dog, I'd like to have it's medical records, as well as that from it's parents, as well as a card from the vet it was seen by and papers for the IKC :rolleyes:

ERPR

ShaShaBear wrote: »

There are especially cute ones in the local rescue that have been seen by a vet for one third the price this pet shop is charging for pups that have not seen a vet.
If Im paying big bucks for a dog, I'd like to have it's medical records, as well as that from it's parents, as well as a card from the vet it was seen by and papers for the IKC :rolleyes:

I went to a rescue centre and that had a dog called bongo with a big stupid head on a lurcher body- never seen anything like it and they kept saying 'he'd be great for you'. Had the missus convinced and all and then they said we will visit your house and I was like WHAT- IT'S A DOG (with a stupid head but I kept that to myself). And then they started going on about who would look after the dog during the day - I walked out then

ShaShaBear

ERPR wrote: »

I went to a rescue centre and that had a dog called bongo with a big stupid head on a lurcher body- never seen anything like it and they kept saying 'he'd be great for you'. Had the missus convinced and all and then they said we will visit your house and I was like WHAT- IT'S A DOG (with a stupid head but I kept that to myself). And then they started going on about who would look after the dog during the day - I walked out then

I can see where this is going, so I'm going to go over here now :cool:

ERPR

ShaShaBear wrote: »

I can see where this is going, so I'm going to go over here now :cool:

So you agree that selling a dog or giving it away is pretty much the sane thing bar a few visits to the vet

ShaShaBear

ERPR wrote: »

So you agree that selling a dog or giving it away is pretty much the sane thing bar a few visits to the vet

Nope?

Rommie

ERPR wrote: »

I went to a rescue centre and that had a dog called bongo with a big stupid head on a lurcher body- never seen anything like it and they kept saying 'he'd be great for you'. Had the missus convinced and all and then they said we will visit your house and I was like WHAT- IT'S A DOG (with a stupid head but I kept that to myself). And then they started going on about who would look after the dog during the day - I walked out then

Good, I'm glad you didn't get a dog off them. Can only imagine how the poor thing would have ended up

ERPR

Rommie wrote: »

Good, I'm glad you didn't get a dog off them. Can only imagine how the poor thing would have ended up

Out the back having a laugh I would imagine rather than stuck in a cage while people quickly moved onto the the dogs with heads in proportion to their bodies

DBB

ERPR wrote: »

What is wrong with buying a doggie out of a shop exactly?

To cut along story short, pups undergo their most critical period of psychological development between 3 and 16 weeks of age, most of it is actually done by 12 weeks of age. It's called the Socialisation Period.

Pups who experience traumatic incidents, or negative exposure to everyday things during this time are top of the list to develop behavioural problems. Pups in pet shops are being over-exposed to screaming kids, people banging on the glass of their enclosure or rattling the bars of their cage, they are repeatedly disturbed from vital rest periods for clients to view them, they are living in a highly impoverished environment, they are not being trained to live in a house in any way, they are not being house-trained, they are left to their own devices for long periods, they are left at 5pm when the shop closes and not seen by another human until the shop opens the following morning (i.e. 15 hours with no human interaction whatsoever, and left unsupervised with other pups), they are not vaccinated and therefore being exposed to a huge amount of disease... is that enough? No?
Anyone who takes a responsible attitude to homing the pups that they have been responsible for creating should never break the link between themselves and the pup's new home. Even the IKC consider it unethical for a breeder to cut this tie. However, anyone selling pups to a pet shop is breaking this tie, and is taking no responsibility whatsoever for where their pups end up. So, in other words, the pups being sold through pet shops were produced by unethical people who could not give a hoot about their genetic health, their general health, their welfare, their future. Who'd want to buy anything off someone like this?

To quote Serpell and Jagoe (1995), two well known and highly respected authors on dog evolution, behaviour and cognition:
"Dogs bought in pet shops are significantly over represented in statistics on behaviour problems"...
"Such animals may also undergo inadequate early socialisation and a range of abnormal or traumatic early experiences that could predispose them to develop inappropriate adult behaviour".

ERPR

They do it all over the world and I haven't heard of a world wide doggy depression crisis. Could it be that doggy people here are a bit anthropomorphic when really doggies just need a bit of food, a tickle, a good walk and the odd slap.

DBB

EPRP, I would suggest you stop the trollish posts. Please engage with this discussion in a credible manner from this point on. First and final warning.
Do not reply to this post on thread.
Thanks,
DBB

ERPR

DBB wrote: »

EPRP, I would suggest you stop the trollish posts. Please engage with this discussion in a credible manner from this point on. First and final warning.
Do not reply to this post on thread.
Thanks,
DBB

How do engage credibly if I don't reply though? I'm new do I start a new thread and reply there?

im invisible

how much....?

DBB

ERPR wrote: »

How do engage credibly if I don't reply though? I'm new do I start a new thread and reply there?

Mod note:
I think you know what I mean when I say to engage credibly, emphasis on the word credibly. Your posts so far have not been credible, they have been trollish.
I also asked you not to reply to my post on thread, which you did anyway. If you have any further comment, as long as it is credible, PM me. If you respond again to my post on-thread, I will be taking action for ignoring a mod warning.

TL;DR? Make posts that make sense, stop taking the mick out of the posters here. And do not reply to this here.

Thanks,
DBB

ERPR

DBB wrote: »

Mod note:
I think you know what I mean when I say to engage credibly, emphasis on the word credibly. Your posts so far have not been credible, they have been trollish.
I also asked you not to reply to my post on thread, which you did anyway. If you have any further comment, as long as it is credible, PM me. If you respond again to my post on-thread, I will be taking action for ignoring a mod warning.

TL;DR? Make posts that make sense, stop taking the mick out of the posters here. And do not reply to this here.

Thanks,
DBB

OK

ShaShaBear

ERPR wrote: »

OK

I do not envy you your job one bit DBB

DBB

ERPR infracted for ignoring two mod instructions.
Thanks,
DBB

DBB

ShaShaBear wrote: »

I do not envy you your job one bit DBB

ShaShaBear

Im commending myself on my well-guarded tongue just now.

All codding aside, it's an awful shame about these pups. If you had seen the pic of the poor girl who was still there at Xmas

Rommie

It's crazy that it's not illegal here. Most pet shops seem to know not to do it at least, but there's always a few that just don't care Poor pups

tk123

ShaShaBear wrote: »

I do not envy you your job one bit DBB

I thought the same thing lol! :pac:

Mo60

ERPR wrote: »

They might be especially cute- I would pay big bucks for some yoke that looked like Benji.

I have a 'cute yoke' I called Benji. I did not have to 'pay big bucks' for him though - I rehomed him from the Dog Pound.

JustAThought

I thought it was illegal or has things changed?


Shame about the pedantic bullying . Same ole same ole

DBB

JustAThought wrote: »

I thought it was illegal or has things changed?

It was never illegal in Ireland.

Shame about the pedantic bullying . Same ole same ole

If you're concerned about any form of bullying, either report it, or bring it to the attention of the C Mods, or contribute to the anti-bullying thread in feedback, as opposed to making veiled comments on-thread.

EireIceMan

'spose the dogs are called 'Sprussels', or 'Jack Spaniels' instead of mongrels on the add:rolleyes::rolleyes:

FoxyVixen

Hmm, in a pet shop with no socialisation, sold on, then to be dumped because new owners can't handle an animal that received the improper handling/training needed up until 12wks old!!

Is it only me or is it a ridiculous cycle that is being repeated. I know we're not the only country with these issues, but it has to be brought into the Animal Health and Welfare Bill somehow? The fact it's someone how up in the IKC is atrocious!!!! Talk about dropping the standard.

ShaShaBear

FoxyVixen wrote: »

Hmm, in a pet shop with no socialisation, sold on, then to be dumped because new owners can't handle an animal that received the improper handling/training needed up until 12wks old!!

Is it only me or is it a ridiculous cycle that is being repeated. I know we're not the only country with these issues, but it has to be brought into the Animal Health and Welfare Bill somehow? The fact it's someone how up in the IKC is atrocious!!!! Talk about dropping the standard.

I brought it to the attention of LSPCA, and Fiona herself said she's had more dealings with them. She also said she knows they are having people breed pups for the shop, and all they receive before going on sale is "a wash and a worm". What concerns me is why a pup would need a wash before it's sold? If they were being kept correctly, would they not have been kept clean by mummy?

I smell a dirty, farming rat

ShaShaBear

Update: the Facebook Page has received a few comments regarding the puppies and how disappointed people are with the situation. The staff have insisted that it's too bad about dogs in pounds and rescues, but just because they are selling puppies from the windows does not mean they will end up a statistic. Talk about ignorance. No vaccinations, no explaining to owners about the potential prey drive of such a cross breed, no neutering or veterinary information (and a pups first vet visit ain't cheap!) and no home check. I'd say we will be seeing them in Dundalk pound before long, if we don't see their offspring back in the windows first!

borderlinemeath

ShaShaBear wrote: »

Update: the Facebook Page has received a few comments regarding the puppies and how disappointed people are with the situation. The staff have insisted that it's too bad about dogs in pounds and rescues, but just because they are selling puppies from the windows does not mean they will end up a statistic. Talk about ignorance. No vaccinations, no explaining to owners about the potential prey drive of such a cross breed, no neutering or veterinary information (and a pups first vet visit ain't cheap!) and no home check. I'd say we will be seeing them in Dundalk pound before long, if we don't see their offspring back in the windows first!

Can you pm me a link to the facebook page sha sha? Might just join the rabble!

Rommie

Any chance you could pm the link as well?

ShaShaBear

Did you both get the PM? The responses are great, maybe some action will be taken! Veterinary students in DkIT are circulating this and bringing it to the attention of lecturers also.

borderlinemeath

ShaShaBear wrote: »

Did you both get the PM? The responses are great, maybe some action will be taken! Veterinary students in DkIT are circulating this and bringing it to the attention of lecturers also.

I did, just posted on it there about 15/20 mins ago on the video links. Shameful, it really does look like a front for a puppy farm.:mad:

DBB

Flippin hell :mad:
I see from the website they're still selling pb pups.. Bichons, Shih Tsus, and ISDW is going to love this... Huskies :mad:

FoxyVixen, there were public submissions made to the Dept of Ag to assist with the formulation of the proposed Animal Welfare Bill, and you can be pretty sure the sale of pups from pet shops will have been addressed amongst these submission. At least, I know I brought it up in my submission!
I hope, if a new Animal Welfare Act is to come into being, that it mirrors the Scottish and other UK Acts pretty closely. They're not perfect, but they're a damn sight better than what we're battling here all the time.

ShaShaBear

borderlinemeath wrote: »

I did, just posted on it there about 15/20 mins ago on the video links. Shameful, it really does look like a front for a puppy farm.:mad:

There's more to this, I just know it deep down. All the litters recently seem to be part spaniel, and mixed with a JRT!! Imagine the amount of energy they'd have! Definitely not a mixed breed for the faint hearted! I know a girl who got two pups off them - collie/GSD crosses. Again, poor girl didn't have a clue what she was taking on and now she has two monstrosities that she is really struggling to train. Lovely things without question, but her and her boyfriend can't manage at all, and were given absolutely no warning about what they would be like fully grown. Now I know she should have done her research, but thats neither here nor there as far as the pet shop goes!

mosi

DBB wrote: »

Flippin hell :mad:
I see from the website they're still selling pb pups.. Bichons, Shih Tsus, and ISDW is going to love this... Huskies :mad:

Checked the FB for the shop with the Huskies - which were posted in the run up to Christmas - and they've recently had Samoyeds, Cockers, JRTs as well .

tvercetti

Rommie wrote: »

Any chance you could pm the link as well?

Could someone PM the link?

toadfly

tvercetti wrote: »

Could someone PM the link?

And me please?

Inexile

can I have link too please

I really thought that the practice of selling pups from pet shops had died out. How naive am I?

Very shortly there will be articles re the first of the unwanted christmas pups coming into rescue (or have I missed them) wonder if one of your local media outlets would like to pick up the topic and do a bit of a local twist and mention the shop.

Hope the students do the rally .

borderlinemeath

tvercetti wrote: »

Could someone PM the link?

And me please?

can I have link too please

Sent both links, let me know if you don't get them.

SillyMangoX

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Sent both links, let me know if you don't get them.

Could you send it to me too? So disgusting in this day and age that puppies are still being sold in pet shops

borderlinemeath

SillyMangoX wrote: »

Could you send it to me too? So disgusting in this day and age that puppies are still being sold in pet shops

Done.

SillyMangoX

Just looking through their page, they sell kittens as well, just moggies like you could pick up in any rescue centre it's so wrong to be making money off of puppies and kittens like this when there are so many in immediate risk of death in pounds across the country

toadfly

Inexile wrote: »

(or have I missed them) .

Unfortunately yes. There was a piece the other day, a large Dublin based rescue reported the largest number of surrender calls they have ever received in one day.

Thanks for the link borderlinemeath

theteal

i didn't want to add any more pm requests to the thread so I just chanced a google search of the place. am I correct to assume I have the right place's web site? what I've found is a centre who's site has a revolving selection of pups for sale on it's home page!

Absolutely galling stuff