new gaming build e2000 budget

coolbreeze01

Hope i can get help from all on here a friend is looking to get a new pc here's the requirements.
his budget is around 2000 euro, it is mostly for gaming he needs every thing for pc and was hoping for an nvidia gtx690, he will be using his tv which i think is 50 inch full hd lcd,
Anyone have any ideas thanks:D

Tea_Bag

you wont need a gtx690 for 1080p. it'd destroy your budget anyway.

fill out the questionaire in my sig by copy pasting it here with as many answers as you can give. someone will be along to play with your money

coolbreeze01

1. What is your budget? 2000

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? mainly gaming battlefield 3is all he mentioned.

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? yes.

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? no completely new build.

5. Do you need a monitor? no

5a. If yes, what size do you need. n/a

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? 1920x1080 his current tv

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? wireless backlit keyboard and a game controller, he has a xbox 360 so maybe he can use that controller.

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? not too sure

8. How can you pay? id say credit card

9. When are you purchasing? yesterday:D

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? Sligo but should be grand i said id help him so fingers crossed.

sorry should have used this list earlier but was in a hurry, now go spend someone else's money:D

marco_polo

Can't believe nobody has had a go at this yet, although I can't justify spending the whole 2K on a 1080p gaming build , I don't think there is much point spending a whole lot more, and in truth he could probably spend 200-300 less if desired and still get nearly the same performance

Item|Price
Corsair Obsidian Series 650D, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€149.75
Corsair Professional Series HX650 80PLUS Gold 650W|€113.30
ASRock Fatal1ty Z77 Performance, Sockel 1155, ATX|€115.49
8GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 MHz CL9|€41.45
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€205.99
Corsair Hydro Series H100i|€104.39
Club 3D Radeon HD 7950 royalKing, 3GB GDDR5, AMD Radeon HD 7950, PCI- Express|€284.54
Crucial M4 256GB SSD 6,4cm (2,5")|€176.01
WD Caviar Green 3000GB, SATA 6Gb/s|€123.89
Samsung SH-118AB schwarz|€14.79
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€1348.59

Gbear

If he's playing on a 50in TV then he better be sitting a few feet away from the screen - preferably 6+.

A normal monitor is 20in or so. The difference between the area of the two is a factor of 5 or 6.

So although it's the same resolution up close it'd look pretty rubbish by comparison and it's really taxing on the eyes.

It seems a waste to have a budget that big and end up with a worse setup than something for half the price.

dan_ep82

Seeing as he has the budget I'd go for the 600T case and the 7970.

I always find monitors,even of the same resolution, look better than TV's. With that budget you could get 3 24" monitors for eyefinity aswell.

coolbreeze01

Thanks guys for yer input i have a provisional build done for him now i want to see what you think its basically what you recommended marco polo but a couple of changes.


Corsair 600t graphite series
Corsair Professional Series HX8560 80PLUS platinum (just for any additional upgrades)
ASRock z77 extreme 4 Sockel 1155, ATX (dont know if much difference between the fatal1ty marco polo recommended)
8GB-Kit gskill sniper 1600mhz 2x4 gb
Intel Core i73770k Box, LGA1155 (since he has the budget)
artic cooling freezer i30 cpu cooler
gigabyte 79703gb gpu
samsung 840 series 250 gb ssd (should i go with pro version)
wd 1tb hdd caviar blue
pioneer bdr 207ebk
win 7 home premium 64bit.

thanks.

marco_polo

coolbreeze01 wrote: »

Thanks guys for yer input i have a provisional build done for him now i want to see what you think its basically what you recommended marco polo but a couple of changes.


Corsair 600t graphite series
Corsair Professional Series HX8560 80PLUS platinum (just for any additional upgrades)
ASRock z77 extreme 4 Sockel 1155, ATX (dont know if much difference between the fatal1ty marco polo recommended)
8GB-Kit gskill sniper 1600mhz 2x4 gb
Intel Core i73770k Box, LGA1155 (since he has the budget)
artic cooling freezer i30 cpu cooler
gigabyte 79703gb gpu
samsung 840 series 250 gb ssd (should i go with pro version)
wd 1tb hdd caviar blue
pioneer bdr 207ebk
win 7 home premium 64bit.

thanks.

Looks good for the most part, however there really is no need for a i7-3770k in a gaming build as it offers no performance gain over the i5-3570k in any gaming scenario. A platinum PSU is also overkill unless you are setting up a datacenter or something. Honestly I think a good 750W would cover any conceivable upgrade including another 7970 and overclocking both cards and the CPU heavily. It is worth bearing in mind also that the graph for component power consumption is definitely heading on a downward not upward trend in the future. Something like the HX750 is more than plenty , if you really must get an 850 get then go for something like the HX or AX gold, not a platinum one.

Instead for the remainder of the budget, I'd be eyeing things like a nice 7.1 surround headset, gaming controllers, good gaming keyboards and mice etc over getting the absolute most expensive components, that will be of marginal or even no benefit compared to more reasonably priced alternatives.

Finally I would go either stick my original suggestion of the Crucial M4 or upgrade to the Pro as the standard 840 uses inferior memory cells to both. Again I think the crucial is better value as the Pro isn't that much better as to to justify the significant price difference IMO.

coolbreeze01

right so we went with the build which ended up as.
Corsair 600t graphite series
Corsair Professional Series HX760 80PLUS platinum
ASRock z77 extreme 4 Sockel 1155, ATX
8GB-Kit gskill sniper 1600mhz 2x4 gb
Intel Core 15 3570k
artic cooling freezer i30 cpu cooler
gigabyte 79703gb gpu
crucial m4
wd 1tb hdd caviar blue
pioneer bdr 207ebk
win 7 home premium 64bit.

thanks for the input gettin that much sorted.
now the problem is when we power up it will stop at post 4f or another number will flash and then restarts, or it will finish post and go to uefi and freeze.
sometimes it will appear to restart at random points during the post stage.
anyone have any ideas

dan_ep82

coolbreeze01 wrote: »

right so we went with the build which ended up as.
Corsair 600t graphite series
Corsair Professional Series HX760 80PLUS platinum
ASRock z77 extreme 4 Sockel 1155, ATX
8GB-Kit gskill sniper 1600mhz 2x4 gb
Intel Core 15 3570k
artic cooling freezer i30 cpu cooler
gigabyte 79703gb gpu
crucial m4
wd 1tb hdd caviar blue
pioneer bdr 207ebk
win 7 home premium 64bit.

thanks for the input gettin that much sorted.
now the problem is when we power up it will stop at post 4f or another number will flash and then restarts, or it will finish post and go to uefi and freeze.
sometimes it will appear to restart at random points during the post stage.
anyone have any ideas

Can you get into bios? Always?

Safe Mode?

Try with one stick of ram,and alternate if no change.

If theres still no change try to catch what code it comes up with.Is it a blue screen or black?

coolbreeze01

Can you get into bios? Always? Not always, most of the time it will just power off/reset before it gets that far.
Safe Mode?

Try with one stick of ram,and alternate if no change. Will try that later.

If theres still no change try to catch what code it comes up with.

Is it a blue screen or black? It is black, and when it gets as far as the bios it will freeze could be 1 second or 1 minute.

dan_ep82

coolbreeze01 wrote: »

Can you get into bios? Always? Not always, most of the time it will just power off/reset before it gets that far.
Safe Mode?

Try with one stick of ram,and alternate if no change. Will try that later.

If theres still no change try to catch what code it comes up with.

Is it a blue screen or black? It is black, and when it gets as far as the bios it will freeze could be 1 second or 1 minute.

Was it fine when you were installing Win7?

Did you connect both power connectors to the GPU and mobo (8 and 24pin)?

Fans spinning? HDD?

It sounds like hardware but its odd if you were able to install Win7 without problems. Try installing to the HDD and remove the SSD

tuxy

4F - DXE IPL is started

That's the code if anyone can make sense of it. I don't understand what it means.


If it fails to post or it freezes as soon as it gets to uefi screen he won't be able to access any bios setting guys.

dan_ep82

Its a debug code.

Looks like it could be a memory issue,faulty psu or bent cpu fin. Its not very specific

Try with one stick of ram and if another stick can be borrowed if it fails,preferably a lower speed (1333mhz etc). If your near Meath I've 4 GB 1333mhz g.skill (2x2GB) I can lend

Recheck the power connections on the mobo.

Lastly try reseating the CPU and check the pins.

coolbreeze01

when i tried installing windows the pc froze as well. So i tried it with drive's disconnected and it still does it.
i've checked all power connections all appear good.
all fans are spinning fine not, sure about hdd light as we disconnected them.

As tuxy said it freezes in post so cannot do anything there.

Am i right to assume that if it sometimes boots as far as bios that the ram and cpu are ok?

Thanks for all the input so far.

dan_ep82

coolbreeze01 wrote: »

when i tried installing windows the pc froze as well. So i tried it with drive's disconnected and it still does it.
i've checked all power connections all appear good.
all fans are spinning fine not, sure about hdd light as we disconnected them.

As tuxy said it freezes in post so cannot do anything there.

Am i right to assume that if it sometimes boots as far as bios that the ram and cpu are ok?

Thanks for all the input so far.

I've had computers boot fully with faulty/incorrect ram only to reboot after a while or BSOD.

It could still be the RAM or CPU,I'd guess ram.

I built a computer using an ASUS board a while ago using 1600mhz ram. The board should have been able to use it but wouldn't,ended up using 1333mhz and it sorted the problem. Im still not sure if it was the ram itself (yet to test it) or the mobo's fault

tuxy

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Its a debug code.

Looks like it could be a memory issue,faulty psu or bent cpu fin. Its not very specific

Of course it's a debug code, it's the read out from the dr. debug lcd on the motherboard.

So DXE IPL is some kind of non specific code?

Wossack

driver execution environment initial program load - if that helps.. :P

I'd say pull both sticks of ram, reseating just one, and making sure it is in the correct slot (as per manual)

/edit bit of an initial troubleshooting guide from tomshardware: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/261145-13-perform-steps-posting-boot-video-problems

-( i )- Wicker

A few solutions i've come across:

-Are there standoffs between the mobo and the case? If not, it could be causing a short.
-Check that the mobo is correctly connected to the psu, reseat if necessary.
-Disconnect and sata/pci connections and reseat the RAM.
-Reset the CMOS

tuxy

Wossack wrote: »

driver execution environment initial program load - if that helps.. :P

That sounds like some kind of pre loader to uefi. But that's only a guess.
Could do with someone who understands these codes to post

Wossack

nice of asrock to provide a dr. debugger thing to see these codes, but not so good that they dont provide any troubleshooting info for any of them..

coolbreeze01

Wossack wrote: »

nice of asrock to provide a dr. debugger thing to see these codes, but not so good that they dont provide any troubleshooting info for any of them..

Yeah they make them nice and easy to understand.

I'l try the memory, try my psu in it and check the cpu.
If the cpu had a bent prong is it salvagable?

tuxy

coolbreeze01 wrote: »

I'l try the memory, try my psu in it and check the cpu.
If the cpu had a bent prong is it salvagable?

The pins are on the motherboard socket not the cpu.
If a pin is bent you may be able to move it back close enough to get it to work, you will never get it 100% so you won't be able to rma the board as they will notice it.

marco_polo

To be fair most manufacturers would accept an RMA unless a pin was completely broken off and that was the reason for the board not working.

tuxy

marco_polo wrote: »

To be fair most manufacturers would accept an RMA unless a pin was completely broken off and that was the reason for the board not working.

I have heard this is the one thing they are very strict on. For most motherboard brands the rma goes through the supplier. In this case hardwareversand, who have not accepted bent pins back in the past. Amazon is the only supplier I know of that are very forgiving on this issue. I am just going on what I have heard on this forum so have no personal experiance though.

marco_polo

tuxy wrote: »

I have heard this is the one thing they are very strict on. For most motherboard brands the rma goes through the supplier. In this case hardwareversand, who have not accepted bent pins back in the past. Amazon is the only supplier I know of that are very forgiving on this issue. I am just going on what I have heard on this forum so have no personal experiance though.

I probably didn't phrase that very precisely, I don't doubt if you are RMAing the board with badly bent/broken pins they will reject it on the spot, what I really meant to say is that in the specific case where you had repaired a couple of slightly bent pin fairly well, without doing any damage to the socket and there was clearly something else wrong with the board, I'd find it hard to believe they would just reject it out of hand without at least doing some testing first (And then charge you a hefty repair fee if it was in fact the cause).

coolbreeze01 wrote: »

Yeah they make them nice and easy to understand.

I'l try the memory, try my psu in it and check the cpu.
If the cpu had a bent prong is it salvagable?

I bent pretty almost an entire row of pins on my Phenom X4 BE putting on a bloody Hyper 212 (Its not an easy job on the AM3 socket), with the aid of two bank cards I was able to get everything up and running fine again.

coolbreeze01

So we went at earlier, first we tried removing ram and trying them indivudally it seemed to be more stable with one that the other, so we tried my ram and its been going since.

Thanks everyone for there ideas and help.:D

dan_ep82

coolbreeze01 wrote: »

So we went at earlier, first we tried removing ram and trying them indivudally it seemed to be more stable with one that the other, so we tried my ram and its been going since.

Thanks everyone for there ideas and help.:D

Glad you got sorted.

What ram did you use in the end?

coolbreeze01

I brought in my ram to him, it is corsair vengeance lp its 1600 kHz as well but its 1.5v

dan_ep82

Ah,the other was 1.65v?


Either way happy days,very nice build

coolbreeze01

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Ah,the other was 1.65v?


Either way happy days,very nice build

it actually the low voltage one which is 1.25v,
I said id give it a try in my own comp and it's been running for over an hour now no problem. both sticks.

dan_ep82

coolbreeze01 wrote: »

it actually the low voltage one which is 1.25v,
I said id give it a try in my own comp and it's been running for over an hour now no problem. both sticks.

Thats mad,must be a picky board