Water source

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I've a drain running through the farm that has a 365 day flow of water. A neighbour has suggested I could use this as a source. Has anyone done this?

bbam

Maybe a hydraulic ram pump if the flow is good enough, fill it into a resavoir?

Pasture pump? Never seen one working but I know some of the lads here have them.

You could pull in a sump and pump with a shallow well pump if it were near the power.

Bizzum

just do it wrote: »

I've a drain running through the farm that has a 365 day flow of water. A neighbour has suggested I could use this as a source. Has anyone done this?

Would that be 365 days in 2012 or a year like 1995?

We have a pasture pump for a back field, it seems to work well, in so far as the cattle use it, but I always get the impression that they drink only enough to satisify the thirst and not a drop more. It's just my observation, I'd be interested to hear what others think!

6480

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I've a drain running through the farm that has a 365 day flow of water. A neighbour has suggested I could use this as a source. Has anyone done this?

it would be handy to set up a water ram pump on it if you have a bit of a fall on it

bob charles

I pmp all my water for the house and main cattle yard from the nearest river. supply never runs out, well I have never seen it to run dry whereas our well will run dry after a dry week even though 350ft deep. I have a submersible pump on the river bank for the pumping. 5 yrs going now and no look backs except for the odd eel that manages to get in. strange as there is 10ft of drainage stone between the river and the pump that the water filters through

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What depth of water do you need? The depth isn't great so I imagine I'll need to build some form of capture point (can't think of a better description at the mo). Any ideas on this?

Even in the driest of years I'd expect it would provide 365 days of water. I'll hold onto the council connection any way as a back-up.

bob charles

I dug as deep a hole as possible about 10 - 15 feet from the edge of the river. in this I stood three concrete pipes, first one 12", next on top 18" and then 24", kinda like a funnel if you get my drift and put 2" drainage stone all around the pipes. I then dug out the 10ft between these pipes and the river and back filled with more two inch drainage stone. The water flows in and up under the stepped pipes, I also cut slots out of the concrete for water to get in as quick as possible. I then placed the submersible into the pipes aka same as a well. hit the switch and I had water, never goes dry even if you pumped 10k gls in a day. As far as I know as long as its set back from the river and not interfering with fish etc there is no problems. Will probably need an extraction license in years to come:rolleyes:

yellow50HX

seems a good way alright bob, whats the water quailty like though? water from a well is naturally filtered through the rocks, water from a river is more effected from run off. do you have a treament system before ou send it to the house and farm?

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bob charles wrote: »

I dug as deep a hole as possible about 10 - 15 feet from the edge of the river. in this I stood three concrete pipes, first one 12", next on top 18" and then 24", kinda like a funnel if you get my drift and put 2" drainage stone all around the pipes. I then dug out the 10ft between these pipes and the river and back filled with more two inch drainage stone. The water flows in and up under the stepped pipes, I also cut slots out of the concrete for water to get in as quick as possible. I then placed the submersible into the pipes aka same as a well. hit the switch and I had water, never goes dry even if you pumped 10k gls in a day. As far as I know as long as its set back from the river and not interfering with fish etc there is no problems. Will probably need an extraction license in years to come:rolleyes:

Something like this would work I'd imagine. How deep is the funnel? The land beside the drain is peat so I'm not sure I want seepage into the well. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if I used a theram lining. The water will only be for livestock. The drain runs a long distance before passing 50m away from the shed and this is where I'd tap in. Am I right to assume the slots you cut out of the concrete linked to the 10ft channel of stone? Or did you cut them all around?

I must go to see the set up my neighbour is talking about at the weekend.

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bbam wrote: »

Maybe a hydraulic ram pump if the flow is good enough, fill it into a resavoir?

6480 wrote: »

it would be handy to set up a water ram pump on it if you have a bit of a fall on it

I don't think the fall or flow is sufficient. It is a drain rather than a river or stream.

bbam wrote: »

You could pull in a sump and pump with a shallow well pump if it were near the power.

It passes close to the shed though so the sump and pump idea is a runner. How deep should I make the sump?

6480

if u made a dam 2 foot in the drain , a ram pump would pump water 20 foot up out of the drain for you

bob charles

stick a picture up of the drain so we can access

bbam

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I don't think the fall or flow is sufficient. It is a drain rather than a river or stream.


It passes close to the shed though so the sump and pump idea is a runner. How deep should I make the sump?

How deep? I'd say bob's description is your blueprint.

One question, have you had the water quality checked?
If its a smallish drain i'd be thinking its a collection of surface water. Subject to even minor contamination. Less water flow would increase susceptibility.

I think a picture is definitely needed.

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bbam wrote: »

How deep? I'd say bob's description is your blueprint.

One question, have you had the water quality checked?
If its a smallish drain i'd be thinking its a collection of surface water. Subject to even minor contamination. Less water flow would increase susceptibility.

I think a picture is definitely needed.

Yeah I'm taking what you and others have said and am now considering an alternate source. This is an old well that is caved in but has fresh spring water flowing from it. I cleaned up the trench beside it this autumn and was surprised by the flow of water. It would take very little effort to tidy it up.

It's 300m from the house. Is the cabling for such a distance expensive?

bob charles

just do it wrote: »

Yeah I'm taking what you and others have said and am now considering an alternate source. This is an old well that is caved in but has fresh spring water flowing from it. I cleaned up the trench beside it this autumn and was surprised by the flow of water. It would take very little effort to tidy it up.

It's 300m from the house. Is the cabling for such a distance expensive?

well give one of the electrical supply companies a call and ask for a price for 16sq X 3 SWA (16square cable and three wires inside). I paid about €6 a meter for it a few years ago, probably closer to €10 a meter now, but I would just be guessing

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bob charles wrote: »

well give one of the electrical supply companies a call and ask for a price for 16sq X 3 SWA (16square cable and three wires inside). I paid about €6 a meter for it a few years ago, probably closer to €10 a meter now, but I would just be guessing

Yikes, that rules that out then!

6480

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Yikes, that rules that out then!

there use to be a grant for putting in a new well but i ed say it gone by now