Road Toll Increases 2013

Victor

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056843788#

Victor

I suspect the rest of this thread will be:

FISMA

Victor wrote: »

I suspect the rest of this thread will be:

Just wait until the property taxes start going up...

Atlantic Dawn

The rest of us have to pay for other peoples mistakes to be fair, this is Ireland we are living in :-(

Terrontress

Most of them are great facilities. I'll happily pay them except the East and West Link which are the most mundane pieces of infrastructure. What makes the East Link worth €1.75 when every other bridge along the Liffey is free? To add insult to injury I've been stuck in a traffic queue while the bridge lifts.

But the port tunnel and M1 bridges are, to my mind, great works of engineering and worth shelling out for.

scudzilla

Instead of the East Link, just carry on down the quays and take a sneaky sneaky illegal left over Samuel Beckett bridge, most do it and i've never seen anybody get caught, and ya end up not far from the East link exit

_Kaiser_

Terrontress wrote: »

Most of them are great facilities. I'll happily pay them except the East and West Link which are the most mundane pieces of infrastructure. What makes the East Link worth €1.75 when every other bridge along the Liffey is free? To add insult to injury I've been stuck in a traffic queue while the bridge lifts.

But the port tunnel and M1 bridges are, to my mind, great works of engineering and worth shelling out for.

You what?

The way you said that, you'd think the poor toll operators were barely scraping by. :rolleyes: There is absolutely no justification for it in a time when people (especially motorists) have been hit with another raft of increased charges, levies and taxes.

Don't forget either that the M3 (which also gets an increase) was setup that regardless of whether 1 or 1,000,000 cars pass through it, the operators will get their money from the public purse if needed (so EVERYONE pays for a road that 95% of them may never use - and the 5% that do pay twice!). What's even more ridiculous about this is what that threshold is is a secret thanks to Noel Dempsey :mad:

What makes the East Link worth €1.75 when every other bridge along the Liffey is free?

You could apply the same logic to the M50. Why is one stretch between the N3 and N4 tolled when the rest is free? Why is it still tolled at all considering it's probably been paid for many times over already

MugMugs

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

You what?

The way you said that, you'd think the poor toll operators were barely scraping by. :rolleyes:

I didn't draw anything of the sort from their comment actually.


I don't agree with any increases though but I'm not too surprised either. I mean, what are we going to do about it? Stand up for ourselves? Pah, don't make me laugh

osheen

You could apply the same logic to the M50. Why is one stretch between the N3 and N4 tolled when the rest is free? Why is it still tolled at all considering it's probably been paid for many times over already[/Quote]

And worst of all the original bridge only cost 14 million punts !

Terrontress

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

You what?

The way you said that, you'd think the poor toll operators were barely scraping by. :rolleyes: There is absolutely no justification for it in a time when people (especially motorists) have been hit with another raft of increased charges, levies and taxes.

Don't forget either that the M3 (which also gets an increase) was setup that regardless of whether 1 or 1,000,000 cars pass through it, the operators will get their money from the public purse if needed (so EVERYONE pays for a road that 95% of them may never use - and the 5% that do pay twice!). What's even more ridiculous about this is what that threshold is is a secret thanks to Noel Dempsey :mad:


You could apply the same logic to the M50. Why is one stretch between the N3 and N4 tolled when the rest is free? Why is it still tolled at all considering it's probably been paid for many times over already

When I said West Link I meant M50. Makes no sense to me either. And the old barrier system used to make my blood boil!

Maybe I'm that bit older than others on here but I remember Dublin to Belfast taking me five hours on a Friday evening, leaving Rathmines at 3.

I remember Kildare town, Port Laoise, Watergrasshill on the way to Cork.

If, on a Friday afternoon, I could have paid €14 and got to Belfast city centre in 90 minutes from the Point, I'd have done it every time.

Cionád

The M4 rate is unreasonable, and there is a case for saying the toll on the M50 just drives traffic into the city unnecessarily.

The rest of the tolls are not bad value though.

panama

Victor wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056843788#

Plus increased motor tax! Yaaaay! :mad:

Seweryn

Cionád wrote: »

...there is a case for saying the toll on the M50 just drives traffic into the city unnecessarily.

I don't understand why in this day and age the toll is still placed on a city ring road (which should offload the traffic from the city) and not on roads into the city, like it is in any other large city in a cyvilised country.

godtabh

As some one said before the M4 and M50 tolls are unreasonable but both will remain. I use the M4 a lot and it pains me to pay the toll when you consider the prices of other tolls.

The M50 tolls will probably get worse with exit/entry tolls to be applied (either a charge per KM or a charge as you enter/leave the network) I was working in an office were this was going through feasibility but that was a couple of years ago).

How is the increase calculated? About 2 years ago they went down and I think it was related to the consumer price index ie inflation. Inflation is still going down so surely so should the tolls?

Colonel Sanders

I also assume the M50 has set a precedent i.e. when the other toll roads are handed back to the state the state may well continue to collect tolls from them

godtabh

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I also assume the M50 has set a precedent i.e. when the other toll roads are handed back to the state the state may well continue to collect tolls from them

The tolls will never go away. How much money would the goverment lose out on if they scrap them after the PPP ends?

Bad for every one when the PPP ends and the government takes over

Marcusm

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I also assume the M50 has set a precedent i.e. when the other toll roads are handed back to the state the state may well continue to collect tolls from them

D'uh, of course they will. If for no other reason that the end of the PPP concession will likely hit the end of a major maintenance period and the continuation of the toll could be seen as a user contribution. Inflation still exists on Ireland and the toll concessions will be allowed to increase prices. From their perspective of course (and esp the gov't via its buyout of the Westlink), that increase goes nowhere to counteract the fall in vehicle numbers.

Victor

MugMugs wrote: »

I mean, what are we going to do about it? Stand up for ourselves?

Difficult in a car. :pac:

L1011

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

I also assume the M50 has set a precedent i.e. when the other toll roads are handed back to the state the state may well continue to collect tolls from them

The m50 was bought out early. The eastlink has been handed back or is due to though

Tails142

Only realised today the M50 toll had gone up by ten cent, what a pisser