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ShaneU · 01-01-2013 10:51pm #1

First time ordering a custom pc and need to know if there's any compatibility issues or if I'm missing anything important before I order, as well as any suggested changes you may have.

Few concerns I have, that copy of windows 8 has German as the language, does it have English too? And I haven't a clue if that's the right wireless card. Also I can't find the option for them to assemble it?

Item|Price
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€205.99
ASRock ZH77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€69.43
16GB-Kit Corsair ValueSelect PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24|€61.35
MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC, GeForce GTX 670, 2048MB DDR5|€343.74
Toshiba DT01ACA Series 2TB, SATA 6Gb/s|€86.24
SanDisk SSD 128GB S-ATA 600|€75.56
Super-Flower SF650P14P 650W|€43.74
Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A (BW)|€39.59
BitFenix Outlaw Midi-Tower - black|€38.03
LogiLink USB 2.0 all-in-one Card Reader, für 3,5" Einbauchschacht|€3.32
LogiLink Wireless LAN 300 Mbps PCI Karte 802.11n 2T2R|€14.64
Microsoft Windows 8 64-Bit (SB-Version)|€86.09
Acer G226HQLBBD|€110
Logitech Speaker System Z130|€19.38

Delivery | €18.99
TOTAL|€1230.74

1. What is your budget? €1400

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? Gaming

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? Yes

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? No

5. Do you need a monitor? Yes

5a. If yes, what size do you need 20-23

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? Do you need any of these peripherals? [Keyboard/Mouse/Wireless Card/Card Reader/Speakers/etc.] Yes all of them

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? Yes

8. How can you pay? Bank Transfer/Credit Card/Laser

9. When are you purchasing? in the next few days

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? Hoping to get Hardwareversand to do it.

marco_polo · 01-01-2013 11:03pm

Doesn't look too bad although thats not a great PSU, one of Super Flowers not so great budget lines. I'd take the SF Amazon 550W instead.

Also maybe a shame not to get a slightly better monitor with this budget something like the Dell U2312? or 23" LG IPS? A slightly cheaper sub 300 euro HD7950 or GT660ti would go a long way towards the extra cost and still be great cards for 1080p gaming.

I'd strongly consider splashing the extra 20 for the ultra reliable Crucial M4 as well.

ShaneU · 01-01-2013 11:46pm

Thanks, Just noticed the motherboard only has 2 x SATA-600 (RAID), can an SSD and HDD go in that without issues?

Updated

Item|Price
Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|€205.99
ASRock ZH77 Pro3, Sockel 1155, ATX|€69.43
16GB-Kit Corsair ValueSelect PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24|€61.35
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 660Ti OC, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort|€263.36
Toshiba DT01ACA Series 2TB, SATA 6Gb/s|€86.24
Crucial M4 128GB SSD 6,4cm (2,5")|€95.54
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 550W|€53.91
Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A (BW)|€39.59
BitFenix Outlaw Midi-Tower - black|€38.03
LogiLink USB 2.0 all-in-one Card Reader, für 3,5" Einbauchschacht|€3.32
LogiLink Wireless LAN 300 Mbps PCI Karte 802.11n 2T2R|€14.64
Microsoft Windows 8 64-Bit (SB-Version)|€86.09
LG Flatron IPS234V|€139
Logitech Speaker System Z130|€19.38

Delivery | €18.99
Assembly | €20.00
Coupon V4XUF4HN3R | -€10.00
TOTAL|€1204.86

marco_polo · 02-01-2013 12:01am

Just noticed that is a H77 board, have you any intentions of overclocking? If so I'd slip in a z77 board like the Extreme 4 (extreme 3 out of stock) as the H77 will not allow for overclocking, or else save a few quid with the non K CPU (may as well go for the board IMO

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As to you other question an SSD and HDD will run fine on such a port configuration, it just means the option of RAID would be there for two identical drives.

ShaneU · 02-01-2013 12:06am

Well the GPU I picked is already overclocked, I wouldn't overclock the CPU so I'll go with the non k version

marco_polo · 02-01-2013 12:14am

ShaneU wrote: »

Well the GPU I picked is already overclocked, I wouldn't overclock the CPU.

Well if you are absolutely certain you will not be (overclocking is quite easy and has pretty well zero risk) you could save a few quid and get this instead, as it is the same thing minus the overclocking ability.

challengemaster · 02-01-2013 1:46am

ShaneU wrote: »

Well the GPU I picked is already overclocked, I wouldn't overclock the CPU so I'll go with the non k version

Nothing stopping you from pushing the GPU on another bit from factory settings!

Also if you've no intentions of overclocking, there's no point spending money on the HR-02 Macho. Put the extra money towards the graphics card

U_Fig · 02-01-2013 3:29am

for that budget you might as well go for 3570k and z77 gives you the option to overclock if you need it... personally when recommencing parts i say if it's in budget get the best future proofing possible.. also running a HDD on a SATA 300 port is fine only really an SSD will make use of the extra bandwidth of the SATA 600 ports

III · 02-01-2013 3:21pm

did you just pair a 660ti/i5 on an asrock pro3? absolutely atrocious. Get a better motherboard or buy a worse gpu/cpu. How about you get windows 8 for a tenner from windowsupgradeoffer.com and buy an asus mobo or something

ShaneU · 02-01-2013 3:43pm

III wrote: »

did you just pair a 660ti/i5 on an asrock pro3? absolutely atrocious. Get a better motherboard or buy a worse gpu/cpu. How about you get windows 8 for a tenner from windowsupgradeoffer.com and buy an asus mobo or something

As I already said it's my first time ordering a custom Pc, do I not need windows 7 on the computer to get that offer?

marco_polo · 02-01-2013 3:59pm

III wrote: »

did you just pair a 660ti/i5 on an asrock pro3? absolutely atrocious. Get a better motherboard or buy a worse gpu/cpu. How about you get windows 8 for a tenner from windowsupgradeoffer.com and buy an asus mobo or something

You can safely ignore the bolded part ShaneU. None of it makes any sense whatsoever.

U_Fig · 02-01-2013 3:59pm

III wrote: »

did you just pair a 660ti/i5 on an asrock pro3? absolutely atrocious. Get a better motherboard or buy a worse gpu/cpu

Care to elaborate!! I don't see a major problem here

Solitaire · 02-01-2013 5:43pm

III wrote: »

did you just pair a 660ti/i5 on an asrock pro3? absolutely atrocious. Get a better motherboard or buy a worse gpu/cpu. How about you get windows 8 for a tenner from windowsupgradeoffer.com and buy an asus mobo or something

Asus. The guys who own ASRock. And whose sub-€200 mobos are generally pretty terribad. Riiiiiiiiiight...

U_Fig wrote: »

Care to elaborate!! I don't see a major problem here

The only problem is trolls gonna troll. Ignore that poster, he's been seen giving decidedly bad advice in other threads on at least one previous occasion.

III · 02-01-2013 7:46pm

Solitaire wrote: »

Asus. The guys who own ASRock. And whose sub-€200 mobos are generally pretty terribad. Riiiiiiiiiight...

The only problem is trolls gonna troll. Ignore that poster, he's been seen giving decidedly bad advice in other threads on at least one previous occasion.

Firstly, Asus no longer owns ASRock. They split off some time ago. Secondly, I am supposedly a troll yet you're the one saying asus "sub-€200 mobos are generally pretty terribad". Riiiight... as if you know what you're talking about.

Now I will list my reasons for choosing a quality motherboard, be it Asus, Gigabyte or MSI. I'll explain why I chose Asus for this build in particular.
Asus boards are made of quality components and their overclocking abilities are second to none. They use less vcore to overclock the cpu and have the best BIOS available. An Asus board was used for the AMD fx-8150's world record breaking overclock on multiple occasions. They feature in all of the best builds you can find. Look up an elite build and it will most likely (95%) have an Asus Maximus board, because they are the best.

I'm not saying an ASRock pro3 is bad, but it's not good enough for a 660ti and i5 simply because the OP is willing to overclock. You simply won't be able to get the same performance, not to mention future updates for a higher-spec board which should last you a very long time. Something like a pro3 you buy for a beginner 500euro build, not a top tier gaming rig. But don't take my word for it, research for yourself. ASRock extreme4 would be the best ASRock for your build.

Also, did I not save you 70 euro on windows 8? You're not spending more money here you're just getting a higher quality product to go with your other quality products.

marco_polo · 02-01-2013 8:39pm

A) He is not overclocking.

I would love to know how it is that the pro3 not "good enough" for a GT660 ti.

C) You cannot upgrade to Windows 8 from a non existant predecessor OS.

challengemaster · 02-01-2013 11:05pm

III wrote: »

did you just pair a 660ti/i5 on an asrock pro3? absolutely atrocious. Get a better motherboard or buy a worse gpu/cpu. How about you get windows 8 for a tenner from windowsupgradeoffer.com and buy an asus mobo or something

III wrote: »

They feature in all of the best builds you can find. Look up an elite build and it will most likely (95%) have an Asus Maximus board, because they are the best.

I'm not saying an ASRock pro3 is bad, but it's not good enough for a 660ti and i5 simply because the OP is willing to overclock. You simply won't be able to get the same performance, not to mention future updates for a higher-spec board which should last you a very long time. Something like a pro3 you buy for a beginner 500euro build, not a top tier gaming rig. But don't take my word for it, research for yourself. ASRock extreme4 would be the best ASRock for your build.

You seem to have appeared out of nowhere in the last while and have been continually spouting nonsense and giving a steady stream of bad advice around here since.

Please, do provide some source showing that the ASrock motherboard will severely limit a 660Ti / i5, in any way. Or provide some evidence of what "Future updates" it won't be open to?

The only thing I can think of, is thunderbolt - which is only as a header on a handfull of motherboards for now - all of which are the most expensive in their brand (Asus Maximus V, Z77 Deluxe+). There's certainly nothing to show the board won't last just as long as any other.

Asrock may not have the long history that Asus have, but they have certainly established themselves as a force to be reckoned with, and are offering the best bang per buck in terms of motherboards.

The reason most "elite" builts have an Asus maximus board is because Asus have the ROG division intentionally build motherboards for that purpose, and have done for years - making boards which are specifically developed for sub-zero overclocking and benchmarking scores. Asrock are new to the game, give it time.

beno619 · 02-01-2013 11:06pm

III wrote: »

Firstly, Asus no longer owns ASRock. They split off some time ago. Secondly, I am supposedly a troll yet you're the one saying asus "sub-€200 mobos are generally pretty terribad". Riiiight... as if you know what you're talking about.

Now I will list my reasons for choosing a quality motherboard, be it Asus, Gigabyte or MSI. I'll explain why I chose Asus for this build in particular.
Asus boards are made of quality components and their overclocking abilities are second to none. They use less vcore to overclock the cpu and have the best BIOS available. An Asus board was used for the AMD fx-8150's world record breaking overclock on multiple occasions. They feature in all of the best builds you can find. Look up an elite build and it will most likely (95%) have an Asus Maximus board, because they are the best.

I'm not saying an ASRock pro3 is bad, but it's not good enough for a 660ti and i5 simply because the OP is willing to overclock. You simply won't be able to get the same performance, not to mention future updates for a higher-spec board which should last you a very long time. Something like a pro3 you buy for a beginner 500euro build, not a top tier gaming rig. But don't take my word for it, research for yourself. ASRock extreme4 would be the best ASRock for your build.

Also, did I not save you 70 euro on windows 8? You're not spending more money here you're just getting a higher quality product to go with your other quality products.

Just a note on ASRock, they do the best budget Z77 board you can buy as seen on various review sites.
Heres a review where it trades blows with and sometimes beats (marginally) the Asus Maximus
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4852/asrock_z77_pro3_intel_z77_motherboard_review/index5.html

Here it is compared to other budget z77 boards.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1998/15/

Moral is the story do some research before you make outrageous statements.

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