CT's, why?

newmug

What baffles me the most about the various CT's out there, is why? What reasons do people believe triggered certain events? I have no doubt that there are loads of conspiracies out there, I can think of 2 offhand. They are the Guilford 4 and the Birmingham 6, but the reasons WHY they occured are obvious (anger at IRA, anti-Irish sentiment, feelings of retribution and wanting to be seen by the public as doing something about the bombings). But some of the rest of the CT's out there have very weak logical reasons.

So, in 1 sentence for each of the following, please explain WHY you think anyone would "conspire" to do the following:

1. Killing of DI CT - I dont believe that was a conspiracy, she just had a crash, sh1t happens.
2. Killing of JFK - I dont believe it was a conspiracy, JKF was good for America, LHO was just some nutball who wanted to get famous.
3. Area 51 - I DO believe there's a conspiracy going on there, but the reason why is more to do with hiding cutting edge planes, drones, stealth bombers from enemy eyes, nothing to do with aliens.
4. 911 - I dont believe it was a conspiracy, just some pissed off muslims.
5. Moon landings - No CT, they actually did it.

They're the main ones I can think of at the moment. When you wnswer those, feel free to add your own!

weisses

newmug wrote: »

But some of the rest of the CT's out there have very weak logical reasons.

Not logical to you .. Everything past that could be true but not according to your (maybe) flawed logic

There could be political reasons that seem totally illogical to you and me but makes perfect sense to people involved

Torakx

Yeah i think when something seems logical its based on your frame of reference.
If you only watched mainstream news and never really watched foreign news or searched your news online, its quite possible you would not understand the basis for these theories.

Open that frame of reference to encompass other propoganda from opposing economies and i believe you will have more of an idea of any situation.
With conspiracy theories, you need to look at all sources,with a view to being unbiased.
If i ignored mainstream media i would lose certain information too.

Regarding the list.Im not very well read on these ones mentioned.
I focused on psychology,mind control and propoganda for the first few years of research into CT's.Hollywood,music etc

David Icke did alot on Princess Diana.
From the coincedences he pointed out,with the location and the overall situation on that night, it seems at the very least suspicious.

There were many motives for powerfull groups to off JFK.
Enough to suspect any number of reasons, least of all i would think, is that it was just a nutter who killed a president, who to some was a hero to the people.My impressions of how the general public viewed him was that of admiration.
He didnt seem like a Bush type.

Area 51 i think was a government site for testing military and spacecraft.
Aliens in Area 51 would be subscribed by only a portion of the Ct crowd.
Many on these forums i would magine would consider it to be shadow gov military experiments and nothing to do with aliens.Some do subscribe to aliens,but you would be doing yourself a diservice to imagine all cters subscribe to the CT's spouted by the mainstream media.

They ussually make the CT look crazy by choosing to report the most outrageous example of a particular CT subject to totally discredit any truth to them.
Like Diana was killed by shapeshifting lizards...so thats all ridiculous.She had an accident.
Where the real CT might be, she was killed for political/cultural reasons.
This will only make the mainstream media if ridiculous theories can be attached to it to discredit the idea at all.

9/11 ...If you cant see this one being at least a possibility, i am very perplexed...well really im not,but i should be lol

There is a sub section here just for 9/11, so alot of info to browse through.
I would say to start,if you havent already done, have a look at why other buildings decided to implode aswell.Building 4 is the one that just dropped by itself right?Anyway to argue this here is folly.It would never end!

Moon landing i think im 50/50 or sliding slightly more towards it not happening.
If i remember right, there were a few flaws pointed out that i was just not sure were real or not.
Like the hatch issue, which may have been debunked.
But im also unsure about radiation they supposedly had to pass that supposedly would have killed them.
Theres a thread on that too somewhere,but to exp,ain here why all these might be true,is to bring all those topics out to argue over in reality and get nowhere in the end.

You either see evidence to believe this is possible and change your perspective or you did not see enough to convince your view of the world to change.
When the average person frst come to see the CT view it appear to be fantastic.
After a while I learned more about psychology and manipulation through sociology, politics, entertainment, media outlets,public speaking,NLP etc.
From there I believe i can now filter bad info ment to make the topic appear outrageous with the parts that ring true.
When i first started researching these things back in 2008 i was more gullible than i am now.

As for why?
I suppose alot of reasons,from disgruntlement,propoganda,misdirection, to seeking justice or plain insanity.
Humans have been believing in fairies,gods and demons for a long time,because it was written down in a book and someone said this is true.
Its time we started relying on ourselves to be informed.That may come with mistakes, but i think(for the average person) you learn the terrain best that way and come out on top in the long run,with regards your view on reality in this messed up world.
The alternative to this for me, is to be spoonfed half truths and blatant lies or misdirection from the trusted news sources.
Il take Ct's any day over that.
I get all sides of the story this way and can choose which seems reasonable based on my own intuition and evidence related.

I think that ignorance is bliss and some people prefer bliss over knowing how the world really is.Cant blame them except for the fact they are willingly giving up their will and minds,whch efects me when they are voters empowering the process.In my oppinion that is.

Torakx

Torakx wrote: »

Moon landing i think im 50/50 or sliding slightly more towards it not happening.
If i remember right, there were a few flaws pointed out that i was just not sure were real or not.
Like the hatch issue, which may have been debunked.
But im also unsure about radiation they supposedly had to pass that supposedly would have killed them.
Theres a thread on that too somewhere,but to exp,ain here why all these might be true,is to bring all those topics out to argue over in reality and get nowhere in the end.

And these are very good examples of the problems with CTs.

The "hatch issue" has been debunked for years.
It was never an issue unless you think it is reasonable for this vast all encompassing conspiracy of thousands, involving the most technical minds of the mind faking every minute detail, just somehow missed the fact the astronauts couldn't fit through the door. Or think that all of that is somehow more likely or reasonable than some random, ill-educated guy on the internet being wrong. Do you really think it's a 50/50 chance between those things?


And similarly with the radiation. How much radiation would they have recieved and how much would be a lethal dose?
No conspiracy theorist who has ever put forward this claim has ever once provided figures for these, let alone provide the back up needed for those figures. So how could they claim that the radiation would be lethal if they can't demonstrate it? Why would you think it could be lethal when you are not presented with those supported figures?

These and similar logical flaws happen in every conspiracy theory. They are generally just ignored or brushed aside to preserve belief in that theory.

newmug

Torakx wrote: »

Yeah i think when something seems logical its based on your frame of reference..........

As for why?
I suppose alot of reasons,from disgruntlement,propoganda,misdirection, to seeking justice or plain insanity..

Fair enough. But specifically, just take one CT at a time and explain in one sentence for me WHY you think someone did it. I'm not talking about the evidence, I'm talking about the motivation.

eg. Moon Landings - I believe its a CT, and I believe it happened because.................. (to provoke the russians into spending money trying to catch up to something impossible, thus ruining their economy / to make people believe American technology was superior, thereby creating a sense of reassurance among the public / to test nuclear missiles capability of being fired from space / whatever).

hooradiation

weisses wrote: »

Not logical to you

While you may be entitled to your own opinion (and you're not, really) much like facts, you don't get to have your own "logic"

Torakx

On the moonlandings i can only speculate a why.
And the russians might be the most likely reason.
It might also have been to gain financial support for black projects.
Or just money for something else entirely.But honestly i havent looked at these CT's in ages, so im very rusty on any details.

But imagine they wanted to start working on German technology but needed a big budget to do it in secret.
A fake moonlanding project would provide that money and the studio in the nevada desert i think it was, had coincedently been made as a copy of the moons surface iirc.
Really if Russia beat the US to the moon what does that prove?
Nothing really imo.It changes nothing regarding dominance of this planet even if you consider space weapons at the time.
The idea that the US spent all that money to go to the moon first, for a d1ck measuring competition is silly.
Maybe its true, maybe not.

weisses

hooradiation wrote: »

While you may be entitled to your own opinion (and you're not, really) much like facts, you don't get to have your own "logic"

Anything useful to add to this thread ? otherwise i can suggest after hours maybe ??

hooradiation

weisses wrote: »

Anything useful to add to this thread ? otherwise i can suggest after hours maybe ??

I think you'll find that I just did, the fact that you don't either like or understand it is of no consequence.

If you find this situation intolerable, then I think you'd best take your own advice on the subject of forum relocation.

Torakx

Torakx wrote: »

On the moonlandings i can only speculate a why.
And the russians might be the most likely reason.
It might also have been to gain financial support for black projects.
Or just money for something else entirely.But honestly i havent looked at these CT's in ages, so im very rusty on any details.

But imagine they wanted to start working on German technology but needed a big budget to do it in secret.
A fake moonlanding project would provide that money and the studio in the nevada desert i think it was, had coincedently been made as a copy of the moons surface iirc.
Really if Russia beat the US to the moon what does that prove?
Nothing really imo.It changes nothing regarding dominance of this planet even if you consider space weapons at the time.
The idea that the US spent all that money to go to the moon first, for a d1ck measuring competition is silly.
Maybe its true, maybe not.

Again, this runs into another problem for conspiracy theories, the motivations don't make sense.
The operation to fake the moon landings would require far more money and manpower to pull off than to actually just go to the moon.
And then Russia would just call them out immediately on it.

The space program wasn't just seen by politicans as a prestige thing, they didn't want Russia to have the advantage of space and wanted to keep up and surpass them. The technology developed during the program allowed them to do this. And when it was clear that the Russians were running out of funding and lagging behind (which started to happen before the Moon Landing) the funding for Apollo started to dry up.

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

David Icke did alot on Princess Diana.
From the coincedences he pointed out,with the location and the overall situation on that night, it seems at the very least suspicious.

David Icke believes a hierarchy of lizard-people runs the world.

And he also believes in quite a few other bizarre and absurd theories..

Either all these theories have a strong basis with real evidence, or he has psychological issues.

Torakx

Does the idea of mis-information from both sides sit with you?
It does for me.
David Icke also believes things you do aswell im sure.That doesnt make him wrong or right.
Only what he believes and you believe is your own business.
If he says something and shows me why he thinks this is so, i will take it or leave it.
If a madman tells me i have a spider on my shoulder, im going to at least look!
If he says i have a mini unicorn on my shoulder im not going to look.Its that simple.If you think it may be true, look into it as i do.
If not, just ignore it...

I leave the lizard people which i dont think he talks about much, if at all these days and il take on board his ideas relating to politics that appear to be true based on physical evidence and historic evidence.
The lizard issue is there to dissuade ignorant people from taking his realistic theories seriously.
Or do you think he believes that was a good idea to support his political ideas?

Dont you think its also a "coincedence" that an englishman from the very corrupt BBC(the gov and britains political mouthpiece) would be one of the most outspoken CTers in Britain.

Although the initial French investigation found that Diana, Princess of Wales died as a result of an accident, a number of researchers [1] and others, including most notably Mohammed Al-Fayed and the Daily Express, have persistently raised conspiracy theories that she was assassinated. This led in 2004 to the establishment of a special Metropolitan Police inquiry team, Operation Paget, headed by the then Commissioner Lord Stevens to investigate the conspiracy theories. Lord Stevens had been knighted by the Queen, and had received other royal honours prior to the investigation concerning possible royal involvement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Diana,_Princess_of_Wales_conspiracy_theories

Although the initial French investigation found that Diana, Princess of Wales died as a result of an accident, a number of researchers [1] and others, including most notably Mohammed Al-Fayed and the Daily Express, have persistently raised conspiracy theories that she was assassinated. This led in 2004 to the establishment of a special Metropolitan Police inquiry team, Operation Paget, headed by the then Commissioner Lord Stevens to investigate the conspiracy theories. Lord Stevens had been knighted by the Queen, and had received other royal honours prior to the investigation concerning possible royal involvement.

In December 2007, witnesses at Diana's inquest were questioned about a letter to Paul Burrell which Diana had written by hand in October 1993, of which only redacted versions had previously been public. In this letter, Diana said, "This particular phase in my life is the most dangerous - my husband is planning 'an accident' in my car, brake failure and serious head injury in order to make the path clear for him to marry Tiggy. Camilla is nothing but a decoy, so we are all being used by the man in every sense of the word,

Seems i found even more "insane" individuals.
Including Mohammed Al-Fayed and a whole newspaper The Daily Express.

weisses

hooradiation wrote: »

I think you'll find that I just did, the fact that you don't either like or understand it is of no consequence.

If you find this situation intolerable, then I think you'd best take your own advice on the subject of forum relocation.

so you have nothing constructive to add ... Can't say I'm surprised really

Brown Bomber

The following are motivations of why someone might conspire and are not the only ones.

newmug wrote: »

So, in 1 sentence for each of the following, please explain WHY you think anyone would "conspire" to do the following:

Killing of DI CT -

Landmine manufacturers. To silence a hugely influential critic

newmug wrote: »

Killing of JFK -

Israel. To enable them to establish their illegal nuclear weapons program in Dimona.

We welcomed the former Prime Minister’s strong reaffirmation that Dimona will be devoted exclusively to peaceful purposes and the reaffirmation also of Israel’s willingness to permit periodic visits to Dimona.
...
As I wrote Mr. Ben-Gurion, this Government’s commitment to and support of Israel could be seriously jeopardized if it should be thought that we were unable to obtain reliable information on a subject as vital to the peace as the question of Israel’s effort in the nuclear field.
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/dimona.htm

newmug wrote: »

Area 51 - I DO believe there's a conspiracy going on there, but the reason why is more to do with hiding cutting edge planes, drones, stealth bombers from enemy eyes, nothing to do with aliens.

Fine.

newmug wrote: »

911 - I dont believe it was a conspiracy, just some pissed off muslims.

Replace "Muslims" with "Jews" above and and people would be outraged, I bet not a single person reported your post...weird innit'?

Anyway..who else might have carried out the attack in tandem or framing Al Qaeda? The US government themselves. Why? To launch the "war on terror" and other assorted military interventions to expand the empire.

newmug wrote: »

Moon landings - No CT, they actually did it.

Maybe, but you've asked why they'd fake it. Morale boost for the population during the Cold War.

newmug wrote: »

They're the main ones I can think of at the moment. When you wnswer those, feel free to add your own!

It's your turn now. They were just off the top of my head. Tell me why the motives are so impossible to accept. Remember that we are just talking about motives. So tell me if they are credible or not.

newmug

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The following are motivations of why someone might conspire and are not the only ones......


It's your turn now. They were just off the top of my head. Tell me why the motives are so impossible to accept. Remember that we are just talking about motives. So tell me if they are credible or not.

Thanks for your reply BB, and thanks for sticking to the topic. Simple one-liners about what you believe to be the motivations!

I've had my turn, you quoted every motive I provided already! And FTR, I think the motives you just gave there are VERY possible. I never thought of the landmines one for the Di CT before.

Tzar Chasm

jaysus I hadn't thought of the land mine connection with di, bu yeah she was making a lot of noise about them.

that kinda makes more sense than any of tne royal theories

Brown Bomber

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

jaysus I hadn't thought of the land mine connection with di, bu yeah she was making a lot of noise about them.

that kinda makes more sense than any of tne royal theories

There is another possibility as well according to Annie Machon, ex MI5. Apparently she was going to take up the cause of Palestinian refugees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHBzoGDdMrk

newmug

Just thought of a few more fairly common ones:

Flouridation - I dont believe there's a conspiracy going on there, why would governments want to poison their own voters?

Chemtrails - I dont believe thats a conspiracy either. Smoke / vapour / exhaust gases come out of all engines. When it comes out of an engine at 35000 feet, it freezes. Simples. Again though, why would anyone want to spray poison all over the Earth, wouldn't they contaminate themselves aswell?

Jewish domination of banks - I believe there's possibly a grain of truth here, but not exactly like the CT makes out. I believe that rich people, who want to stay rich, manipulate things as much as they can to make as much money as they can. Nothing sinister there really though, its just good business and plain old fashioned greed. The fact that some of these people may be Jewish is just coincidence IMO. They could just as easily have been Protestant if the world's most influential economy was based in England.

Tzar Chasm

ah but, the worlds most influential economy WAS based in england for a few centuries, yet the jewish banking conspiracy persists.

as for flouridation, the theory goes that it makes the population more docile, we have flouride, greece and Spain don't, who's protesting in the streets?

now chemtrails, that's an odd one, I would assume that exhaust gasses from planes do contain some dangerous chemicals, so that part might actually be correct, whether there is a sinister plot behind all of it is somewhat more doubtful

newmug

newmug wrote: »

Just thought of a few more fairly common ones:

Flouridation - I dont believe there's a conspiracy going on there, why would governments want to poison their own voters?

The typical claimed motivations include the ideas that fluoridation is somehow harmful or capable of dumbing people down, either to make people sick enough to require medicine from the evil Big Pharma or to make them easier to control.

newmug wrote: »

Chemtrails - I dont believe thats a conspiracy either. Smoke / vapour / exhaust gases come out of all engines. When it comes out of an engine at 35000 feet, it freezes. Simples. Again though, why would anyone want to spray poison all over the Earth, wouldn't they contaminate themselves aswell?

As above, but sometime people might claim it's to alter the environment somehow, perhaps even to fix climate change.

newmug wrote: »

Jewish domination of banks - I believe there's possibly a grain of truth here, but not exactly like the CT makes out. I believe that rich people, who want to stay rich, manipulate things as much as they can to make as much money as they can. Nothing sinister there really though, its just good business and plain old fashioned greed. The fact that some of these people may be Jewish is just coincidence IMO. They could just as easily have been Protestant if the world's most influential economy was based in England.

Well it's not a conspiracy, but it's not quite a coincidence either. Back in the middle ages and later, Jews where forbidden from and discriminated out of most trades and lines of work leaving money-lending one of the few businesses they could engage in in Europe as lending with interest was forbidden or frowned upon by the church AFAIK.
So as the first real banks as we know them were starting to be formed, some Jews already had the skills and capital to have an advantage. And since, like most trades and professions in the past, it was subject to family inheritance and cultural pressure, meaning a lot of Jewish people and families being present in banking, especially older institutions.
This unfortunately made facts easy enough for people to warp and twist into anti-semetic propaganda like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which to this day is taken seriously by people.
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311

FREETV

newmug wrote: »

Just thought of a few more fairly common ones:

Flouridation - I dont believe there's a conspiracy going on there, why would governments want to poison their own voters?

Chemtrails - I dont believe thats a conspiracy either. Smoke / vapour / exhaust gases come out of all engines. When it comes out of an engine at 35000 feet, it freezes. Simples. Again though, why would anyone want to spray poison all over the Earth, wouldn't they contaminate themselves aswell?

Jewish domination of banks - I believe there's possibly a grain of truth here, but not exactly like the CT makes out. I believe that rich people, who want to stay rich, manipulate things as much as they can to make as much money as they can. Nothing sinister there really though, its just good business and plain old fashioned greed. The fact that some of these people may be Jewish is just coincidence IMO. They could just as easily have been Protestant if the world's most influential economy was based in England.

Fluoridation, didn't the ex Health Minister agree on a tv program that Fluoride had documented proven Scientific links to cancer? The fact also that there are huge profits being made from selling industrial toxic fluoride waste which goes in to tap water and the fact that Hitler used it in the water of the Concentration Camps. Extra terrestrials definitely exist somewhere or else we wouldn't exist either, the universe is infinite and life must also be infinite throughout it, covered up and if we had evolved from Apes then Apes wouldn't be around anymore, they would have turned in to humans. Common sense really.

Tzar Chasm

the universe is not infinite
its very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very Big
and it continues to get bigger, but its not infinite

LeinsterDub

FREETV wrote: »

if we had evolved from Apes then Apes wouldn't be around anymore, they would have turned in to humans. Common sense really.

A common misunderstanding of evolution. Humans and the great apes are not on the same branch of the evolutionary tree we branched thousands of years ago. Our common ancestor are extinct

newmug

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

as for flouridation, the theory goes that it makes the population more docile, we have flouride, greece and Spain don't, who's protesting in the streets?

Hmmm, I dont know about that. Out of the 4.5 million or so Irish people, only 1.5 million live in urban centres. That means 3 million people drink un-flourinated water from their own wells. And just to add to that, I doubt many African countries have flourinated water, most places are lucky to have water at all. They're waaaay worse off than us, Greece, or Spain. You dont see them protesting either.

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

ah but, the worlds most influential economy WAS based in england for a few centuries, yet the jewish banking conspiracy persists.

Well was the Jewish bank control CT it in vogue at the time of englands economic dominance? It seems to me to be a recent theory, or at least the "sinister" part of it is. I think King Mob's explanation is far more likely to be the truth. The same could be applied to any oppressor v oppressed situation. For example, take Ireland and how we became such a Catholic country: we were beaten, oppressed, murdered, starved etc. The only non-physically attackable weapon we had to stick-it-to-the-man was our religion, therefore it flourished. Same in any David v Goliath situation really.

LeinsterDub

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

the universe is not infinite
its very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very Big
and it continues to get bigger, but its not infinite

Our current understanding of physics would disagree

Tzar Chasm

well i don't know your understanding of physics, bu I am writing an end of semester paper at the moment on the expanding universe (redshift, cosmic background radiation, cephid variable and all that jazz ) and I can tell you one of the things we are fairly sure of is that the universe is finite and currently expanding.
but if you have some evidence that its infinite i'd love to see it as i'm fairly sure that proving my lecturer and the rest of physics wrong would score me a decentmark

FREETV

We forgot to mention chlorine in the tap water and pools which also damages vital cells, a Patent Scientist even mentioned that and for people to use a shower filter if one wants to live longer. The water could be ozonated on both ends instead of using chlorine.

newmug

Thought of 2 more:

Martin McGuiness being an insider for the Brits - I dont believe this is a conspiracy, but they may indeed have something over his head which he is being blackmailed about. As for bringing down the IRA, if he was really an insider, he didnt do a very good job!

The whole Sandy Hook actors thing - I dont believe this was a conspiracy either. Those "actors" would've had to meet their actor wives, have sex with them, raise the kids until they were 7 or 8, then send them off to school on the day they know the stage is set for the massacre, without any emotion, all for feck it up by acting out of character for a few seconds? As for motivation, if it really was a conspiracy, I assume the motivation would have been to tighten up gun laws.

Tzar Chasm

as for the assertion that the majority of rural ireland is on is own wells, its not just urban areas that have water schemes, most of rural ireland has some form of mains water supply, we have electricity too

seriously tho either direct council schemes or group water schemes are the norm in rural ireland.

why do you think there is/such a fuss about water charges and metering, if everyone was on their own well we'd tell the govt to F off

newmug

FREETV wrote: »

We forgot to mention chlorine in the tap water and pools which also damages vital cells, a Patent Scientist even mentioned that and for people to use a shower filter if one wants to live longer. The water could be ozonated on both ends instead of using chlorine.

Ok, now as per thread topic, give your opinion on what you think the motivation for that CT is.

newmug

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

as for the assertion that the majority of rural ireland is on is own wells, its not just urban areas that have water schemes, most of rural ireland has some form of mains water supply, we have electricity too

seriously tho either direct council schemes or group water schemes are the norm in rural ireland.

why do you think there is/such a fuss about water charges and metering, if everyone was on their own well we'd tell the govt to F off

Eh, I know all about water in rural Ireland, I'm from the ruralest rural place there is! I know of one village in about 10 around here that has a water scheme! And the septic tank charge is where all the fuss is!:P

FREETV

newmug wrote: »

Ok, now as per thread topic, give your opinion on what you think the motivation for that CT is.

Read this people, just googled and look what came up.
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/water/chlorine Scary stuff.

Tzar Chasm

newmug wrote: »

Eh, I know all about water in rural Ireland, I'm from the ruralest rural place there is! I know of one village in about 10 around here that has a water scheme! And the septic tank charge is where all the fuss is!:P

oh you must be from the wehsstt

you lot really did get shat upon in the great lottery of life

newmug

FREETV wrote: »

Read this people, just googled and look what came up.
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/water/chlorine Scary stuff.

Fair play Freetv, but we're not looking for a list of CT's, this thread is about WHY you think its a CT or not! So state a CT, then give a one-line explanation about what you think is the MOTIVATION for it!

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

oh you must be from the wehsstt

you lot really did get shat upon in the great lottery of life

From the heart of Meath actually! Not goin to name places any narrower down than that!

FREETV

newmug wrote: »

Fair play Freetv, but we're not looking for a list of CT's, this thread is about WHY you think its a CT or not! So state a CT, then give a one-line explanation about what you think is the MOTIVATION for it!





From the heart of Meath actually! Not goin to name places any narrower down than that!

Same as myself Meath. Poisoning our water with chlorine to kill us off younger possibly? Why do they still chlorinate when it causes harm and there are other alternatives? Corruption methinks.

Tzar Chasm

that's odd, i'm on the cahwt water and. septic committee, I was under the impression that meath had not only a substantial water infrastructure but some fairly decent public sewerage projects

newmug

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

that's odd, i'm on the cahwt water and. septic committee, I was under the impression that meath had not only a substantial water infrastructure but some fairly decent public sewerage projects

Yea it does for urban centres, but Meath is mostly rural. Most of us have wells and septic tanks. Aint no broadband out here neither.

And thats the way we likes it **chews straw in mouth**

FREETV

newmug wrote: »

Yea it does for urban centres, but Meath is mostly rural. Most of us have wells and septic tanks. Aint no broadband out here neither.

And thats the way we likes it **chews straw in mouth**

No NET1 or Ripplecom towers near you so?

newmug

FREETV wrote: »

No NET1 or Ripplecom towers near you so?

AHA - Now there's a conspiracy, why do coverage maps show plenty of coverage in my area when you'd be better off with two bean tins and a piece of line between them?

Tzar Chasm

well my take on coverage maps is that its the one time you get to be the 1%

99% global coverage always seemed to mean everywhere else besides where you're standing

Torakx

newmug wrote: »

The whole Sandy Hook actors thing - I dont believe this was a conspiracy either. Those "actors" would've had to meet their actor wives, have sex with them, raise the kids until they were 7 or 8, then send them off to school on the day they know the stage is set for the massacre, without any emotion, all for feck it up by acting out of character for a few seconds? As for motivation, if it really was a conspiracy, I assume the motivation would have been to tighten up gun laws.

Read a book on scientology and then with all honesty try tell me it cant happen.
That structure can exist within the CIA or any other organisation to complete that mission.
And btw in scientology it would probably have been called a mission ^^

LeinsterDub

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well i don't know your understanding of physics, bu I am writing an end of semester paper at the moment on the expanding universe (redshift, cosmic background radiation, cephid variable and all that jazz ) and I can tell you one of the things we are fairly sure of is that the universe is finite and currently expanding.
but if you have some evidence that its infinite i'd love to see it as i'm fairly sure that proving my lecturer and the rest of physics wrong would score me a decentmark

I was referring to the multiple universe theory maybe that has been disproved?

newmug

Torakx wrote: »

Read a book on scientology and then with all honesty try tell me it cant happen.
That structure can exist within the CIA or any other organisation to complete that mission.
And btw in scientology it would probably have been called a mission ^^

I'm not saying it cant, I'm just saying that in my opinon it wasn't a conspiracy.

So in keeping with the topic, if you believe it to be a true conspiracy, give what you believe to be the motive behind it.

Tzar Chasm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I was referring to the multiple universe theory maybe theater has been disproved?

ok this one took me a while to get my head/around, but
even if there were a pn/infinite number of pa:-) rsllel universes, they would still be finite in size, so overall you would have a finite Quantity of universe. which it obviously has to be to allow for expansion, if the universes were infinite there could be no inflation or expansion.

finite infinity is an interesting concept, but this probably isn't the forum to discuss it

Jonny7

FREETV wrote: »

Same as myself Meath. Poisoning our water with chlorine to kill us off younger possibly? Why do they still chlorinate when it causes harm and there are other alternatives? Corruption methinks.

Simple misinformation or plain old ignorance is often the root of many of the sillier CTs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorination

hooradiation

weisses wrote: »

so you have nothing constructive to add ... Can't say I'm surprised really

Stop fucking whining.

weisses

hooradiation wrote: »

Stop fucking whining.

does mummy and daddy know your playing trolzz on the interwebs ??

Micky Dolenz

weisses wrote: »

so you have nothing constructive to add ... Can't say I'm surprised really

hooradiation wrote: »

Stop fucking whining.

weisses wrote: »

does mummy and daddy know your playing trolzz on the interwebs ??

Mod

It stops here. Thanks.

Torakx

newmug wrote: »

I'm not saying it cant, I'm just saying that in my opinon it wasn't a conspiracy.

So in keeping with the topic, if you believe it to be a true conspiracy, give what you believe to be the motive behind it.

Fair enough.
I was just replying to your idea that actors wouldnt realistically have actor wives and actor kids.
Read a book on scientology, it will open your perspective to see what really is going on within organisations and just how far these orgs can push human tolerances and abuse families to complete directives or missions etc.

That group is so crooked,it would not to me be a crazy CT, to suspect their involvement somehow.
But if scientology can do it, then so can any gov organisation that has tight security on information like the CIA.

Im curious if you think there is a rogue type government trying to disarm its people in the long run.
If you dont really believe any motives in the first place, then i can hardly see how you would agree with that CT.
I guess it depends on your research and experience.

FREETV

Jonny7 wrote: »

Simple misinformation or plain old ignorance is often the root of many of the sillier CTs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorination

Did you not read the link that I discovered using our friend Google about chlorination, it should be replaced/phased out for health reasons.

Jonny7

FREETV wrote: »

Did you not read the link that I discovered using our friend Google about chlorination, it should be replaced/phased out for health reasons.

Wait, there are benefits and drawbacks to Chlorination..

However you said something completely different, about the government poisoning the water to kill us off..

Bit of a difference there.