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Defoe
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28-12-2012 12:09pm#1
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irishmover wrote: »Villa game was his 400th career league appearance, 247th for Spurs.
7 goals off 4th spot in spurs all time goalscorers. Currently 8th ahead of Sheringham and Keane.
Respect for on the pitch performances. More respect for what he's doing in the tottenham community off the pitch. A true spurs legend.
This all with playing bit parts over the last few seasons under Harry.
He has always tended to be a little selfish on the pitch over the years, maybe that was because he wasn't playing as often as he'd liked to so he felt he had to shoot every time he got the ball to try impress. He also seemed to always need 2 or 3 chances before he'd score one, although he seems to enjoying himself this season.
As regards his off the field stuff, he has had plenty of personal heartache over the last couple of years so maybe he realises it's time to give something back.
Good player, but not a great player
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He has always tended to be a little selfish on the pitch over the years, maybe that was because he wasn't playing as often as he'd liked to so he felt he had to shoot every time he got the ball to try impress. He also seemed to always need 2 or 3 chances before he'd score one, although he seems to enjoying himself this season.
As regards his off the field stuff, he has had plenty of personal heartache over the last couple of years so maybe he realises it's time to give something back.
Good player, but not a great player
7 goals off 4th top spurs scorer of all time. Surely that warrants great status at the club!0 -
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Ok so nobody showed me and I got fed up waiting.
Some interesting stats for you ....
As of Dec 18th Defoe has an average 5.66 shots per goal. That was 18th place in a table of strikers who have scored at least 5 goals this season and behind Torres who everyone considers a flop. Theo Walcott leads the table with an average 3.2 shots per goal.
He places 12th in minutes on the pitch per goal scored at 150.67. Interestingly Torres is back in 26th at 229 minutes per goal. Van Persie leads the table with 114 minutes per goal (taking out those goal scoring super subs who would skew the minutes per goal ratio)
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So this season it would be fair to say he's there and thereabouts but not at the top end of the form table. My perception though was this season was a big improvement. Then I came across this which was a comparison done at the end of last season.
Defoe ranks 7th in minutes per goal (13th top scorer overall) at 117 which means this season so far on this stat anyway he is not matching the form of last season. Ade actually finished in 4th place overall at 167 minutes per goal.
The big thing that stood out from the same analysis was assists or lack of for Defoe last year. Bottom of the pile at 1 assist in the whoel season versus Ade on 11 assists topping the chart of assists from the top 15 strikers. Defoe already has 2 assists this season whilst playing more of a lone strikers role.
In summary - Defoe isn't that far off the pace at all versus the rest of the premier league. (Certainly not as far off as I personally thought he was) He takes a lot of shots per goal scored which confirms my original suspicions. However he clearly gets into more scoring opportunities than most as his goals per minute ratio compares a lot better with the rest of the league (even though this is worse than last year) Perhaps his play this year has been less selfish which also makes for an improvement. If he could convert more of the shots he gets into goals he would have a phenomenal strike record.0 -
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Indeed I did - and you're right there is slim pickings out there. These are the figures for goals per game for the top 10 Spurs scorers (sorted from top to bottom)
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Jimmy Greaves 0.70
5. George Hunt 0.70
2. Bobby Smith 0.66
3. Martin Chivers 0.47
9. Teddy Sheringham 0.45
6. Len Duquemin 0.44
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Cliff Jones 0.42
8. Jermain Defoe 0.41
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Robbie Keane 0.40
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Alan Gilzean 0.30
Full stats such as goals scored etc can be viewed here
To be fair to Defoe a lot of his appearances for the club have been as substitute. A quick calculation above - if you assumed that all appearances were for 90 minutes Defoes .41 goals per game translates as a goal every 220 minutes whereas last year (when tracking his actual minutes played) his ratio was a goal every 117 minutes. It really isn't a fair comparison when you look a bit deeper.
That's why I went looking for stats on shots per goal etc which aren't available for the older generation of players but overall you get a clear enough picture that Defoe is one of our best ever performers.0 -
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