Commericals in private use?

AdamOHare

Ive just started getting some driving lessons this week and hoping to buy my first car in the middle/end of next year all going well.

Id like a small cheap van or maybe a jeep as would be handy for towing the boat and for carting tools and going around the mountains etc

But I don't understand this commercial thing? Can I buy a van, maybe like a kangoo or something just for myself to drive around in. Or are these things only allowed for people who need them for work?

If I am allowed will I be charged extra for using a commercial vehicle for personal use? If so how is the extra charge worked out.

Sorry for all the newb questions. But I dont really have anyone else to ask

dgt

Commercial tax warrants commercial purposes only.

Everything else private tax

Wils110

By law you should pay private tax so whatever it is for 1.9 you will pay if you can get a letter from your employer to say you need it for work or get a form stamped by the guards to declare you will only use it for work you can get the commercial tax rate

MugMugs

Has anybody here been asked for that when taxing commercial out of interest?

R.O.R

MugMugs wrote: »

Has anybody here been asked for that when taxing commercial out of interest?

Yes, many, many, many times.

All first taxing of new vehicles, and we had to do it for all commercials when taxing them after they clamped down on it.

Wils110

Yep 2 years in a row I had to do it get a form out of the tax office bring it to the station the guards stamp it...write your name reg of van and sign on the dotted line and the guards stamp it then bring it in to the tax office with the tax form

navara man

you will need proof commercial insurance aswell

AdamOHare

WILS: Im unemployed. So I want it for private use. I dont even know anybody that would stamp it for me under the counter to say I work for them. Does this mean I will be forced into buying a car instead of a van.

dgt

MugMugs wrote: »

Has anybody here been asked for that when taxing commercial out of interest?

Daily van yes
Blue van no

repsol

Wils110 wrote: »

Yep 2 years in a row I had to do it get a form out of the tax office bring it to the station the guards stamp it...write your name reg of van and sign on the dotted line and the guards stamp it then bring it in to the tax office with the tax form

I had to get that form stamped last year by the cops.Do you need to do it again if you are renewing the tax and the details are all the same?

R.O.R

AdamOHare wrote: »

WILS: Im unemployed. So I want it for private use. I dont even know anybody that would stamp it for me under the counter to say I work for them. Does this mean I will be forced into buying a car instead of a van.

You can still buy a van, but it would need to be taxed privately, so that's on engine size rather than a flat fee of €333 per year.

Not 100% sure about the insurance, but www.insuremyvan.ie will probably quote you.

George Dalton

AdamOHare wrote: »

WILS: Im unemployed. So I want it for private use. I dont even know anybody that would stamp it for me under the counter to say I work for them. Does this mean I will be forced into buying a car instead of a van.

No. It just means you will have to pay tax at the private (engine size based) rate rather than at the commercial rate. So you would be better off trying to buy something like a 1.3 Opel Combo or even a 1.5 Kangoo where your tax costs will be roughly the same whether you pay cc or commercial rate rather than something like a 1.8 Transit Connect or a 1.9 Caddy where the cc based tax will be pretty high compared to commercial tax.

George Dalton

repsol wrote: »

I had to get that form stamped last year by the cops.Do you need to do it again if you are renewing the tax and the details are all the same?

It should only have to be done once for each van. If you are renewing tax on the same van as the previous year then you shouldn't have to make the declaration a second time. But if you change van then you have to go through the process again.

MugMugs

R.O.R wrote: »

Yes, many, many, many times.

All first taxing of new vehicles, and we had to do it for all commercials when taxing them after they clamped down on it.

So somebody in before they started enforcing this can just keep renewing it until they sell up despite it being used for personal use?

R.O.R

MugMugs wrote: »

So somebody in before they started enforcing this can just keep renewing it until they sell up despite it being used for personal use?

No, even though we'd had vans on commercial tax for a couple of years, after they'd clamped down on commercial tax a couple of years ago, we had to get the goods dec stamped for those vans when we went to re-tax them.

paddy147

George Dalton wrote: »

No. It just means you will have to pay tax at the private (engine size based) rate rather than at the commercial rate. So you would be better off trying to buy something like a 1.3 Opel Combo or even a 1.5 Kangoo where your tax costs will be roughly the same whether you pay cc or commercial rate rather than something like a 1.8 Transit Connect or a 1.9 Caddy where the cc based tax will be pretty high compared to commercial tax.

#

Is that the 1.3 CDTI engine??

Is that a chain driven engine and is it reliable too??

Mate of mine is looking at a 2005 1.3 engines Vauxhall van at the moment.

Wils110

repsol wrote: »

I had to get that form stamped last year by the cops.Do you need to do it again if you are renewing the tax and the details are all the same?

No just once if you change van you have to do it again on the new van

Bpmull

paddy147 wrote: »

#

Is that the 1.3 CDTI engine??

Is that a chain driven engine and is it reliable too??

Mate of mine is looking at a 2005 1.3 engines Vauxhall van at the moment.

I drive a Astra van 1.3 cdti same engine a combo just higher bhp. They are chain driven there is 152k km on mine and is running 100 percent generally it is only small things that goes wrong with them.

paddy147

Bpmull wrote: »

I drive a Astra van 1.3 cdti same engine a combo just higher bhp. They are chain driven there is 152k km on mine and is running 100 percent generally it is only small things that goes wrong with them.

So they are a good reliable engine,once you keep the engne and chain topped up with good quality oil???

Whats the power in them like??

Thanks.:)

twowheelsonly

AdamOHare wrote: »

Ive just started getting some driving lessons this week and hoping to buy my first car in the middle/end of next year all going well.

Id like a small cheap van or maybe a jeep as would be handy for towing the boat and for carting tools and going around the mountains etc

But I don't understand this commercial thing? Can I buy a van, maybe like a kangoo or something just for myself to drive around in. Or are these things only allowed for people who need them for work?

If I am allowed will I be charged extra for using a commercial vehicle for personal use? If so how is the extra charge worked out.

Sorry for all the newb questions. But I dont really have anyone else to ask

Be aware also that if you're towing a trailer that is over 750kg you need a separate licence (EB for a car with a trailer). This also entails a separate test and you need to have a full licence first before you apply for a learner permit for towing. Obviously this will only matter depending on the size of boat/trailer that you want to tow.

Bpmull

paddy147 wrote: »

So they are a good reliable engine,once you keep the engne and chain topped up with good quality oil???

Whats the power in them like??

Thanks.:)

I like mine all though it is the 90bhp version so a bit quicker but I know people who have driven the combo 1.3 and they said it is reasonably powerful. As for oil the1.3 engine is particularly fussy I only put Castrol 5w30 synthetic oil for opel engines in mine use anything else and they cause serious trouble. Not sure if the combo uses 5w30 you have to check. My van burns no oil what so ever I actually find it weird how little it uses. I don't have to top it up once I service it ever 15k km. Reliability I have mine 4 months it has never stopped failed to start or it has never shown a warning light on the dash and I often do journeys over 200km without stopping so I consider it reliable.