Roundabouts

Knockout_91

How do people not know how these work?

Twice now in the past week I've almost been involved in a serious crash.

The first one was a truck. It happened on the roundabout outside ballymun NCT test centre. He was in the wrong lane and almost went ploughing into me, I jammed on, had two of my girl friends in the car and they got an awful fright. Truck stalled in the middle of the roundabout for a few seconds while myself and several others blew our horns, he then gave the fingers and drove off. Tbh I don't think he even believed he was in the wrong.

Second incident took place on the first roundabout just off the m1 heading into Holywell/airside.

Anyone familiar with these two roundabouts or experienced any incidents involving roundabouts in general?

wonski

Be careful with trucks on roundabout...they sometimes need more than one lane to move around it...

Del2005

Knockout_91 wrote: »

How do people not know how these work?

Twice now in the past week I've almost been involved in a serious crash.

The first one was a truck. It happened on the roundabout outside ballymun NCT test centre. He was in the wrong lane and almost went ploughing into me, I jammed on, had two of my girl friends in the car and they got an awful fright. Truck stalled in the middle of the roundabout for a few seconds while myself and several others blew our horns, he then gave the fingers and drove off. Tbh I don't think he even believed he was in the wrong.

Trucks have to take wider lines on junctions and roundabouts. If a truck is swinging wide on a roundabout don't go inside it, just keep back and let it complete it's manoeuvre.

Knockout_91 wrote: »

Second incident took place on the first roundabout just off the m1 heading into Holywell/airside.

What was the incident?

Knockout_91 wrote: »

Anyone familiar with these two roundabouts or experienced any incidents involving roundabouts in general?

I'm familiar with both and drive onto every roundabout with caution as no one has any idea how to dive correctly on roundabouts, maybe even me. Even if I think I'm in the right I'll still stop and let the other person go.

YbFocus

I also am fed up with this country and their inability to work roundabouts properly. The lorries need room to make their turn and I always give it to them.

People who don't signal on roundabouts or use the wrong lane need to be told off, constantly see close ones on roundabouts whether its me or someone else involved, worst of all the person causing it usually looks at you in disgust as if you've done something wrong.

The whole thing of being in the left lane and not indicating and going right etc needs to be stopped! Mayhem going on behind them and they're usually oblivious!

Kenny Logins

I had some muppet take the third exit of a roundabout in the left lane on Saturday, I had to stop dead to let them carry on. In full view of a traffic corp car too.
Car came from here - https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cobh+cross&hl=en&ll=51.907695,-8.284636&spn=0.001372,0.002398&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=56.637293,78.574219&hnear=Cobh+Cross,+County+Cork,+Ireland&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=51.907629,-8.284385&panoid=FwcazFqfmkQwNhww00qQ6g&cbp=12,100.79,,0,-15.3

Mc Love

What happened you at the roundabout near holywell?

H3llR4iser

The problem with roundabout mechanics is that they work well in light traffic conditions and assuming all drivers know the topography of the roundabout in question. Throw in heavy traffic, a few confused drivers trying to find their way and mayhem is ensured.

cjt156

Monday morning, time for a roundabout thread!

Colonel Sanders

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I had some muppet take the third exit of a roundabout in the left lane on Saturday, I had to stop dead to let them carry on. In full view of a traffic corp car too.
Car came from here - https://maps.google.com/maps?q=cobh+cross&hl=en&ll=51.907695,-8.284636&spn=0.001372,0.002398&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=56.637293,78.574219&hnear=Cobh+Cross,+County+Cork,+Ireland&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=51.907629,-8.284385&panoid=FwcazFqfmkQwNhww00qQ6g&cbp=12,100.79,,0,-15.3

Guessing they did nothing. I saw a van make in illegal right turn and block a yellow box in plain view of a traffic corps car a while back. They didn't do a thing

Knockout_91

Mc Love wrote: »

What happened you at the roundabout near holywell?

I was coming off the m1 and i was in the right lane. A car in the left lane wanted to get back onto the m1 by taking an extreme right so she stayed in the left lane and cut me off, I jammed on.

No indicator either.

m0nsterie

Knockout_91 wrote: »

Anyone familiar with these two roundabouts or experienced any incidents involving roundabouts in general?

I know the roundabout in Ballymun has lane markings so that people in the left lane (coming from Ballymun) can turn right to get to the M50 northbound. The right lane is for turning right only. A lot of drivers use the right lane there for straight ahead.

What lane was the truck in & what lane were you in?

Signs on roundabouts override the usual rules. But you are right, so many people don't know how to use roundabouts.

One thing that annoys me is that people coming from the right think they have the right of way, even if they are not yet on the roundabout. So if you get to the roundabout before them, you have the right of way over them - but some people just try to plough through especially when they are on the major road and you are coming from the minor. Obviously I'm not talking about cars that are on the roundabout already.

Marcin_diy

what rules do you follow on roundabout?
years ago, when I was passing my exam back in Poland I was taugh following:

on single lane roundabout use indicator when you get off the roundabout, on two and more lanes use indicator when you enter, when you drive , and for the third time when you plan to exit it. What does instructors teach here? as I can see that everyone has their own rules...

Mc Love

Knockout_91 wrote: »

I was coming off the m1 and i was in the right lane. A car in the left lane wanted to get back onto the m1 by taking an extreme right so she stayed in the left lane and cut me off, I jammed on.

No indicator either.

Thats a first for me on that one!

Knockout_91

m0nsterie wrote: »

What lane was the truck in & what lane were you in?

I was coming from ballymun, so I was in the right lane (I was taking the third exit for the M50 Northbound).

When I drove past the second exit I was still in the right lane, stuck at red traffic lights, indicating to go left. The truck was on my left.

Lights go green so I start veering towards the left (m50N exit) while he veers right to go towards Ballymun. We both jam on, and he passes in front.

Senna

I don't drive in Dublin much, but I have noticed on a few roundabouts with traffic lights, that the odd driver will stay in the left lane even if they're taking the 3rd exit. Do they think its easier not to change lanes once they get on the roundabout due to the traffic lights?

paddyland

Knockout_91 wrote: »

I was coming from ballymun, so I was in the right lane (I was taking the third exit for the M50 Northbound).

When I drove past the second exit I was still in the right lane, stuck at red traffic lights, indicating to go left. The truck was on my left.

Lights go green so I start veering towards the left (m50N exit) while he veers right to go towards Ballymun. We both jam on, and he passes in front.

Then you were wrong. Making allowances that the roundabout is very badly marked, and hopelessly unclear for motorists, I would have moved left at the second exit, before the lights. If you were still in the right lane at the third exit, and came to a stop at those lights in the right lane, then you were wrongly positioned. There is every argument that the lorry should have made allowances that you might do what you did, but then, at every single junction, lorry drivers are being cut off by motorists who haven't a clue what they are doing, so they have to assert their own intended direction or they would never get anywhere.

It's a rotten roundabout, the lorry driver should have been aware of you (and probably was, but asserted his own path, which he was correctly positioned for), and you were wrongly positioned. That's my take.

Knockout_91

paddyland wrote: »

Then you were wrong. Making allowances that the roundabout is very badly marked, and hopelessly unclear for motorists, I would have moved left at the second exit, before the lights. If you were still in the right lane at the third exit, and came to a stop at those lights in the right lane, then you were wrongly positioned. There is every argument that the lorry should have made allowances that you might do what you did, but then, at every single junction, lorry drivers are being cut off by motorists who haven't a clue what they are doing, so they have to assert their own intended direction or they would never get anywhere.

It's a rotten roundabout, the lorry driver should have been aware of you (and probably was, but asserted his own path, which he was correctly positioned for), and you were wrongly positioned. That's my take.

You cannot be in the left lane if you are taking the third exit, which is what the lorry did here.

The lorry would have been coming off the M50, in which case, you will be aware that there are two lanes when you come off the m50, if he was planning on going to ballymun, he should have been in the right lane.

And anyone that knows that roundabout will know that it's impossible to get into the left lane when you reach those lights, so everyone indicates left. The person in the left lane cannot go right there.

Lawless2k12

Worst ever happened me was coming onto roundabout in left lane to take the 2nd exit straight ahead. Lad came flying down the right hand lane and cut across me into the first exit. He ended up hitting the curb though because he miss judged my speed and ended up taking a wider line. Kept on driving but I'm fairly sure he'll have a wee repair job after it. Saved himself about half a minute for his troubles as well. Bloody twat!

Lawless2k12

The markings on the Ballymun roundabout on the M50 are not correct and cause conflicts. When coming from Ballymun and going Northbound on the M50 you have both lanes, however when coming off the M50 and going towards Ballymun the same two lanes are for Ballymun. The result of this and the traffic lights is that the first set of vehicles who are heading to Ballymun are in the left and right lane-they get stuck at the lights and the vehicles coming from Ballymun to Northbound M50 are now also in both lanes. When the light goes green, the first lot of vehicles continue to go right towards Ballymun and the second lot are taking the exit left, so there are always near misses.

It is possibly one of the worst designed roundabouts tbh and would probably end up with you repairing your car and him repairing basically no damage to his truck if ye happened to touch... No one was really in the wrong as the roundabout markings allow for almost anything on that roundabout!

Apparently this is what a road engineer responsible said when questioned about the layout: "The line markings are such that they allow lane changing with indication. It also allows an increase in capacity at the junction." Basically, creating havoc to allow everyone onto a roundabout that's too small to handle the traffic

cats.life

you had two girfriends in the car:D:D we have square roundabouts around here so its great crack watching them getting through .

m0nsterie

Lawless2k12 wrote: »

The markings on the Ballymun roundabout on the M50 are not correct and cause conflicts. When coming from Ballymun and going Northbound on the M50 you have both lanes, however when coming off the M50 and going towards Ballymun the same two lanes are for Ballymun. The result of this and the traffic lights is that the first set of vehicles who are heading to Ballymun are in the left and right lane-they get stuck at the lights and the vehicles coming from Ballymun to Northbound M50 are now also in both lanes. When the light goes green, the first lot of vehicles continue to go right towards Ballymun and the second lot are taking the exit left, so there are always near misses.

It is possibly one of the worst designed roundabouts tbh and would probably end up with you repairing your car and him repairing basically no damage to his truck if ye happened to touch... No one was really in the wrong as the roundabout markings allow for almost anything on that roundabout!

This is exactly right.
Going by the road markings at that roundabout, both of them were in the right. The road markings allow for the truck to be in the left lane and turn right (as well as allowing for the OP to be in the right lane, ready to enter the M50 North). I see the incident the OP described every week (but actually have yet to see a collision).

Knockout_91

I very rarely enter that roundabout from the M50. Are there definitely road markings in both of those lanes coming off the m50 both allowing cars to take the third exit (ballymun)?

If so that's seriously dangerous!

Will have to really anticipate the other persons move on that roundabout so.

Lawless2k12

Knockout_91 wrote: »

I very rarely enter that roundabout from the M50. Are there definitely road markings in both of those lanes coming off the m50 both allowing cars to take the third exit (ballymun)?

If so that's seriously dangerous!

Will have to really anticipate the other persons move on that roundabout so.

Ya it's one of the most ridiculous roundabouts I have ever seen. I used to think the dun kettle roundabout in Cork was bad but after seeing the Ballymun roundabout I began to think I'd found a new victor. At least the dun kettle roundabout is logical...

Max Power1

There are some roundabouts in Dublin that drive me INSANE

The walkinstown one is a fine example. The one down near the kylemore road/Ballyfermot college is another

No one drives correctly. When I encounter a muppet in the right lane taking the second exit trying to cut me off, I will usually stop, get out and explain why they are in the wrong.

Road usage education vigilante-ism. The RSA wont do it!

goz83

If you think it's bad here, you should try Spain. In the last decade, they've gone roundabout crazy and they have no idea how to use them. Its common practice to enter the outside lane if taking the third exit, therefore, cutting off anyone taking exit 2. The only exit that they work properly (just like us) is exit 1. A no brainer. At every roundabout, it's a close call.

Stheno

Knockout_91 wrote: »

I was coming off the m1 and i was in the right lane. A car in the left lane wanted to get back onto the m1 by taking an extreme right so she stayed in the left lane and cut me off, I jammed on.

No indicator either.

If you were taking the first exit off that roundabout why were you in the right lane coming up?

Both of ye were in the wrong there.

Mc Love wrote: »

Thats a first for me on that one!

I've seen it happen a few times

Knockout_91

Stheno wrote: »

If you were taking the first exit off that roundabout why were you in the right lane coming up?

Both of ye were in the wrong there.

I assume you are referring to Holywell?

If so, if you are in the left lane approaching that roundabout you can NOT take an extreme right to go back onto the m1. In which case, they were in the wrong.

I was in the right lane which I was fully entitled to be in as I was sticking to the right lane as I was heading into Holywell.