Exposure to lead in game meat?

Straffan1979

Anyone any thoughts on this topic.I never paid any heed to this lead crack until a couple of years ago.
Some of the most recent reports make for uneasy reading for anyone who eats a lot of Birds or large game(venison) shot with lead bullets- myself included

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100531082601.htm

another study-

http://www.leadammunitiongroup.co.uk/pdf/776-1-1354_Risk_assessment_for_lead_in_wild_game_-_Final_5_October.pdf

Having just shot 7 woodcock today with a friend we'd a great day but they have all the markings of lead shot and with a nice bit of woodcock breast/legs marinating in the fridge Its playing on my mind.

I've been thinking about giving up the leadshot anyway for ducks which will mean goodbye to my current old S/S, and next year considering getting a steel shot compatible shotgun and getting away from lead.

I think between the environmental damage and the damage you might be doing to yourself and anyone else eating the game its the only answer.

Alchemist2

Straffan1979 wrote: »

Anyone any thoughts on this topic.I never paid any heed to this lead crack until a couple of years ago.
Some of the most recent reports make for uneasy reading for anyone who eats a lot of Birds or large game(venison) shot with lead bullets- myself included

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100531082601.htm

another study-

http://www.leadammunitiongroup.co.uk/pdf/776-1-1354_Risk_assessment_for_lead_in_wild_game_-_Final_5_October.pdf

Having just shot 7 woodcock today with a friend we'd a great day but they have all the markings of lead shot and with a nice bit of woodcock breast/legs marinating in the fridge Its playing on my mind.

I've been thinking about giving up the leadshot anyway for ducks which will mean goodbye to my current old S/S, and next year considering getting a steel shot compatible shotgun and getting away from lead.

I think between the environmental damage and the damage you might be doing to yourself and anyone else eating the game its the only answer.

People drinking water daily for hundred years or more from lead pipes and it didnt kill em

cavan shooter

Only a matter of time that its bannned over wetlands its on the cards since the 1970's. Now define what a wetland is....Good articles about it in the UK magazines.

patdahat

i don't think it's going to be banned over wetland's as there is no definition of such and with all the water in this country well......., what i gathered from the latest (county)nargc meeting is that it is going to be banned on the species your after no matter what terrain your on.

Straffan1979

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Alchemist2 wrote: »

People drinking water daily for hundred years or more from lead pipes and it didnt kill em

Well we're not drinking from them anymore, Its not in petrol or paint either (and for very good reasons) but we're all eating particles of it every week. I think if you actually bother to read the uk study they found that-

'Consumption of two game bird meals every week throughout the year would
increase the dietary exposure to lead by up to 8 times for an adult and up to 5 times for a toddler' its not good reading.
or
'Depending on the species and type of recipe used, between 20 and 87.5% of the samples analysed exceeded the maximum level of lead set by the EU in meat from livestock animals of 100 parts per billion'

I think the x-ray of the bird with lead particles outside of the actual pellet wounds is the real eye opener for me.
I'd think twice before giving heavily shot game to small kids or pregnant women.

As another poster said there Leads days are numbered. Particularly for woodcock shooting or the like where you might only fire a handful of shots I think I could justify paying the higher price for quality non-toxic shot

zeissman

I dont eat deer heads so I should be ok

Alchemist2

Straffan1979 wrote: »

Well we're not drinking from them anymore, Its not in petrol or paint either (and for very good reasons) but we're all eating particles of it every week. I think if you actually bother to read the uk study they found that-

'Consumption of two game bird meals every week throughout the year would
increase the dietary exposure to lead by up to 8 times for an adult and up to 5 times for a toddler' its not good reading.
or
'Depending on the species and type of recipe used, between 20 and 87.5% of the samples analysed exceeded the maximum level of lead set by the EU in meat from livestock animals of 100 parts per billion'

I think the x-ray of the bird with lead particles outside of the actual pellet wounds is the real eye opener for me.
I'd think twice before giving heavily shot game to small kids or pregnant women.

As another poster said there Leads days are numbered. Particularly for woodcock shooting or the like where you might only fire a handful of shots I think I could justify paying the higher price for quality non-toxic shot[/Quote]

I beg to differ on the pipes my friend i dont think theres a local authority in the country that could guarantee that 100% of the pipework has been changed

TriggerPL

Straffan1979 wrote: »

Anyone any thoughts on this topic.I never paid any heed to this lead crack until a couple of years ago.
Some of the most recent reports make for uneasy reading for anyone who eats a lot of Birds or large game(venison) shot with lead bullets- myself included

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100531082601.htm

another study-

http://www.leadammunitiongroup.co.uk/pdf/776-1-1354_Risk_assessment_for_lead_in_wild_game_-_Final_5_October.pdf

Having just shot 7 woodcock today with a friend we'd a great day but they have all the markings of lead shot and with a nice bit of woodcock breast/legs marinating in the fridge Its playing on my mind.

I've been thinking about giving up the leadshot anyway for ducks which will mean goodbye to my current old S/S, and next year considering getting a steel shot compatible shotgun and getting away from lead.

I think between the environmental damage and the damage you might be doing to yourself and anyone else eating the game its the only answer.

This is nothing more than a bunch of anties trying to push more **** down our necks .

If your worried about game then you should stop eating all together , with the food enhancers in chicken feed and pig feed there not safe.

All cattle have foot and mouth or bse ! If they had there way we all be eating leaves and with the paracites that can be found today , there going to kill ya anyway .

They have been pushing for lead shot ban for years and said that affected the wildlife , can anyone show me what animal it affected because badgers foxs birds of pray are stronger than ever , duck and woodcock are stronger this year than I've seen for a while .

My friend you need to realise paper will not refuse ink , so don't belive everything ya read , when they were asked to show there findings they didn't .

Straffan1979

I beg to differ on the pipes my friend i dont think theres a local authority in the country that could guarantee that 100% of the pipework has been changed[/QUOTE]

I'm sure there isn't but the fact remains lead on the dinner plate is not good.
When you've the Food standards Agency in the UK advising only this October that you should should cut down consumption of game- I'm again starting to wonder-
"There is no safe limit for lead intake and experts agree that exposure should be reduced as far as possible"
"This advice is especially important for vulnerable groups such as toddlers and children, pregnant women and women trying for a baby, as exposure to lead can harm the developing brain and nervous system"

I've been thinking about this for a few years -If you shot birds like woodcock/pheasant with non toxic shot you could eat them by the ton, pigeon shooting over decoys with steel would be cheaper and they'd be as safe as houses for eating, it's better for the environment-There's a lot of positives in it at a time when shooting is under heavy pressure from the Green brigade-It has to be worth considering??

Birdnuts

My own view would be that if the game is properly prepared for human consumption, then there is very little to worry about. I've consumed game meat from an early age with no ill affects on me or my family and will continue to do so into the future. As others have mentioned I would be more concerned about antibiotics residues etc. in imported supermarket meat from outside the EU.

Straffan1979

TriggerPL wrote: »

This is nothing more than a bunch of anties trying to push more **** down our necks .

If your worried about game then you should stop eating all together , with the food enhancers in chicken feed and pig feed there not safe.

All cattle have foot and mouth or bse ! If they had there way we all be eating leaves and with the paracites that can be found today , there going to kill ya anyway .

They have been pushing for lead shot ban for years and said that affected the wildlife , can anyone show me what animal it affected because badgers foxs birds of pray are stronger than ever , duck and woodcock are stronger this year than I've seen for a while .

My friend you need to realise paper will not refuse ink , so don't belive everything ya read , when they were asked to show there findings they didn't .

If you know of any Cattle in this country with BSE or Foot and mouth I'd strongly advise you to contact DAFF.

There are multi agency groups including Shooting organisations in the UK and the US heavily involved in looking at this issue.
FACT:-Lead is a powerful neurotoxin that effects almost all body organs, in particular the kidneys, red blood cells, and central nervous system.

Everybody wants it out of our food and alternative ammunition is coming on stream to try and address these problems.

Straffan1979

Birdnuts wrote: »

My own view would be that if the game is properly prepared for human consumption, then there is very little to worry about. I've consumed game meat from an early age with no ill affects on me or my family and will continue to do so into the future. As others have mentioned I would be more concerned about antibiotics residues etc. in imported supermarket meat from outside the EU.

I think we've all done this but its becoming increasingly evident that trimming the pellet damaged meat and bullet wounded flesh is not coming close to removing the lead shards from your dinner. I'll be eating lead shot game up until the end of the season but I think next year I might finally get serious about looking at alternatives. If you can avoid putting heavy metals into the system then why not go for it.

TriggerPL

Straffan1979 wrote: »

I beg to differ on the pipes my friend i dont think theres a local authority in the country that could guarantee that 100% of the pipework has been changed

I'm sure there isn't but the fact remains lead on the dinner plate is not good.
When you've the Food standards Agency in the UK advising only this October that you should should cut down consumption of game- I'm again starting to wonder-
"There is no safe limit for lead intake and experts agree that exposure should be reduced as far as possible"
"This advice is especially important for vulnerable groups such as toddlers and children, pregnant women and women trying for a baby, as exposure to lead can harm the developing brain and nervous system"

I've been thinking about this for a few years -If you shot birds like woodcock/pheasant with non toxic shot you could eat them by the ton, pigeon shooting over decoys with steel would be cheaper and they'd be as safe as houses for eating, it's better for the environment-There's a lot of positives in it at a time when shooting is under heavy pressure from the Green brigade-It has to be worth considering??

And what next to go ! Give an inch take a mile ! People lived on lead shot game for decades and suddenly it not safe !

Are you related to Brian may ?

Have you ever fired steel shot ?

Seen a duck mangled from steel to stage where it was gud for the bin .

Not to mention the thousands of guns that can't be used , do u think people that are only firing a few shots , there just going to hand in the guns and forget about the whole thing .

Or the person that bought a new beretta ultralight suddenly his gun is worth nothing

Straffan1979

TriggerPl wrote:

And what next to go ! Give an inch take a mile ! People lived on lead shot game for decades and suddenly it not safe !

Are you related to Brian may ?

Have you ever fired steel shot ?

Seen a duck mangled from steel to stage where it was gud for the bin .

Not to mention the thousands of guns that can't be used , do u think people that are only firing a few shots , there just going to hand in the guns and forget about the whole thing .

Or the person that bought a new beretta ultralight suddenly his gun is worth nothing

Who's Brian May

No i never fired steel shot

Whether someone has to buy a new gun is a trivial matter

They had to buy new guns for hunting fowl in Norway, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands,New Zealand , Canada, America to name a few- where's the problem
we won't be using lead for duck shooting either for much longer-get used to the idea.
From what I've read hunters seem to be just getting on with it as regards using non-toxic alternatives.

As regards seeing a duck mangled from steel shot- Are you playing the green card here,
I've seen birds from ducks to pigeon,snipe and woodcock mangled from lead shot. This is an unfortunate aspect of game shooting.

Are you a recent beretta ultralight owner?

CJhaughey

Its a non-issue as far as I am concerned.
More nanny state nonsense to help create noise to distract people from the bigger issues and provide work for quangos.
I consider the drive to where I happen to be shooting much more of a health and safety risk than a few pellets in a few birds.

Vegeta

All those studies say is that game shot with lead has more lead in them. Which is, frankly, pretty obvious.

Now your next question should be, what effect does this lead consumption have on humans. Which was answered here by Sparks (with references):
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055990537

TriggerPL

Straffan1979 wrote: »

Who's Brian May

No i never fired steel shot

Whether someone has to buy a new gun is a trivial matter

They had to buy new guns for hunting fowl in Norway, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands,New Zealand , Canada, America to name a few- where's the problem
we won't be using lead for duck shooting either for much longer-get used to the idea.
From what I've read hunters seem to be just getting on with it as regards using non-toxic alternatives.

As regards seeing a duck mangled from steel shot- Are you playing the green card here,
I've seen birds from ducks to pigeon,snipe and woodcock mangled from lead shot. This is an unfortunate aspect of game shooting.

Are you a recent beretta ultralight owner?

Haha ! No just put a deposit on a browning maxus that's rated for steel shot , but it will never see it . I never had a problem with lead shot mangling birds ! You need to let them up of the ground mate .

And the country's you named have had this introduced during the boom when money was plenty . If it was done ere the same time there would be no problem , but it wasn't and do u think people are going to now .

Playing the green card ? I like my game in one peice not the mess I witnessed .

As you probally realised your flogging a dead horse ere , no one ere agrees with what you saying about steel being better .

Straffan1979

TriggerPL wrote:

As you probally realised your flogging a dead horse ere , no one ere agrees with what you saying about steel being better .

I never said it was better. Hunters all over the world are using non-toxic loads over wetlands because its the LAW.
And it'll be the law here too in the very near future whether you like it or not.

TriggerPL

It not law ere , if you want to use steel shot use it no one cares if you do or don't .

But trying to convinces us that lead shot game is going to kill us all !

People on here have been hunting and eating game for years , family members before us have and before them . With no il affect .

That has never ate game in his life prints an article about game , and your running for the pitch fork !

If it so bad why has the demand for game gone up in the last 2 years . People come here week in week out looking for excess game that lads might have . There realising the gud in it compared to the junk u get in supermarkets .

There is nothing stopping anyone from using steel shot so go do it , but don't start a thread on here and expect everyone to agree with it , because none of us do as u can see .

Straffan1979

Read the two links I posted at the start. Thats what its about, these are long running real issues with lead. Its a fact small children and pregnant women cannot eat the excellent meat people hunt in even relatively small quantities because of lead. I'm just asking the question how many people are looking at the alternatives.

dev110

Lads keep on the topic at hand. I have removed and edited posts about Household charge, KFC, etc.

From the last few posts are getting somewhat aggressive I'll remind you of rule 1 of the forum, Be Civil.

Cass

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If you wish to argue, debate, talk about that decision then by all means do so, but via PM or with any other mod. Not on thread.

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cookimonster

A lot of scientific reports can be easily swayed from one point of view to the other VIA research and the way its interpreted. Years ago a report based on a scientific study on the feed used in fish farms damaged the industry and was later proved to be inaccurate and out of context.
I attended a food technology seminar where the speaker showed us slides of chemical compounds, many well known to be harmful to human health and completely off limits for use in the food industry. The simple question was 'would we consume food knowing that it contained these chemicals?
Of course the answer was 'No'.
'Oh, but you do, maybe not so much in Ireland due to the weather', but around the world people do so regularly, because those chemicals are the same ones found in Bar-B-Q foods' came the speakers reply.
If you look too close you will eat nothing, because every thing including fresh water is harmful to you in excess.
Two game meals a week per year is harmfull , well I thank God for two things, 1 the short game bird seasons and 2 I'm a lousy shot........

marlin vs

Alchemist2 wrote: »

Well we're not drinking from them anymore

Ohh yes we are,and still in the best of health,thank god.

cavan shooter

It maybe a non issue for some but we signed up to banning it back in the 1970's if I remember rightly but just didnt do anything about it, just like spetic tanks and bogs. Its not that humans get poisoned as was said lead pipes are alive and well in Local Authorities as are asbestos water mains roofs, gutters etc its the poor waders its killing and I mean chronic poisoning not acute........:D