What if they were voting for Budget cuts on them selves?

Mint Sauce

Well the government sickened me a little further today. In just over a couple of days, the government has debated, and voted on changes to the Careerer allowance, and Child Benefit, and passed it, with one member of the Labour Party being expelled for voting against it.

You kinda have to wonder, how long they would have debated if it was something affecting them selves, thats if they would have debated it at all.

More proof, with both the debate, and this expulsion, that those in charge still give little regard for them at most need, and only look after them selves, and outcast anyone who disagree.

:mad:

keith16

It's pathetic. Always seems to be the most vulnerable who are hit hardest. Successive Irish governments have proven unable to administer tax / social welfare in a manner that is fair, equitable and you know, makes sense. They are simply incapable of thinking outside of the box. They can't even see the box.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

how is being paid to have children sensible?

looksee

Because when you are old and grey and need someone to look after you, if there are not lots of bright young things keeping the country ticking over by working and paying taxes and stuff, you are going to find old age a bit miserable.

kodoherty93

keith16 wrote: »

It's pathetic. Always seems to be the most vulnerable who are hit hardest. Successive Irish governments have proven unable to administer tax / social welfare in a manner that is fair, equitable and you know, makes sense. They are simply incapable of thinking outside of the box. They can't even see the box.

Half of people working pay no income taxes other than the USC and top 20% of earners pay 70% of income taxes. If that its a progressive tax system I don't know what is.

You get the same social welfare benefits regarding of how much your earn meaning if someone earns €200,000 and pays a ridculous amount of prsi theyre only entitled to the same benefits as a person earning €20,000. Tell me how the hardest have been hit there?

Cookie_Monster

they debated the increase for the budget for the Dail, needless to say it easily got passed.

Cookie_Monster

looksee wrote: »

Because when you are old and grey and need someone to look after you, if there are not lots of bright young things keeping the country ticking over by working and paying taxes and stuff, you are going to find old age a bit miserable.

there's 7 bn people in the world, shouldn't be too hard to convince some of the to come to Ireland if needs be, we've done it pretty well over the last 15 years as is.

keith16

kodoherty93 wrote: »

Half of people working pay no income taxes other than the USC and top 20% of earners pay 70% of income taxes. If that its a progressive tax system I don't know what is.

You get the same social welfare benefits regarding of how much your earn meaning if someone earns €200,000 and pays a ridculous amount of prsi theyre only entitled to the same benefits as a person earning €20,000. Tell me how the hardest have been hit there?

Isn't it amazing? The government is literally burning billions of euro in promissory notes and the general public are arguing over a pittance paid to unemployed / parents.

No wonder we are not out on the streets revolting. Too busy looking over our shoulders.

Sergeant

I propose we make all members of the Dáil take a Meekness course, and allow themselves to be subjected to 15 hours a week of face-to-face abuse from the plain people of Ireland.

You could bottle my outrage.

moihugs

I am married to a fantastic man who has a very serious illness we have 5 fabulous kids. He had to give his job up(paid taxes all his life so did I and his parents and my parents) a few years ago through not been fit to walk etc!!!Then I worked at least 60 hours a week to keep us , until he want fit to do any of the school runs any of the driving or even look after himself now please guys and i'm not been smart here why do we deserve to suffer even more??? Its a constant struggle to cope ... We didnt know any of this before we had kids , do we hand them back now?????????Its 325 carers, household charge, childrens allowance, tax on car etc etc that affect us... we dont have it!! WE have extra costs than most every week with visits to the hospital extra washing extra heat in house for someone thats so sick!! I get 1 hour a week to myself if im lucky and havent been that lucky in 3 weeks!!! Do any of you really understand what hardship is????

gallag

moihugs wrote: »

I am married to a fantastic man who has a very serious illness we have 5 fabulous kids. He had to give his job up(paid taxes all his life so did I and his parents and my parents) a few years ago through not been fit to walk etc!!!Then I worked at least 60 hours a week to keep us , until he want fit to do any of the school runs any of the driving or even look after himself now please guys and i'm not been smart here why do we deserve to suffer even more??? Its a constant struggle to cope ... We didnt know any of this before we had kids , do we hand them back now?????????Its 325 carers, household charge, childrens allowance, tax on car etc etc that affect us... we dont have it!! WE have extra costs than most every week with visits to the hospital extra washing extra heat in house for someone thats so sick!! I get 1 hour a week to myself if im lucky and havent been that lucky in 3 weeks!!! Do any of you really understand what hardship is????

Sorry to hear that, can't be easy, me and my wife are only having two kids incase we can't provide for them, I know that answer will not please or help you but people need to be self accountable and plan their own future. It would be equally sad to think others had to work harder, have less time with their own kids and pay more to pay for other people having kids they cannot provide for.

starbelgrade

keith16 wrote: »

Isn't it amazing? The government is literally burning billions of euro in promissory notes and the general public are arguing over a pittance paid to unemployed / parents.

No wonder we are not out on the streets revolting. Too busy looking over our shoulders.

Social welfare payments which the Department of Social Protection make currently account for almost 40% of the total expenditure of the government. I'd hardly call that a pittance.

Even if we we're paying billions in promissory notes, it's still a ridiculously high level of benefit payments and should have been cut back years ago.

And the reason why you don't see people out on the streets revolting is that - for the most part - those who are in receipt of these benefits can still get by on them even with the budget cuts.

Granted, there are many other ways the government could have and should have made cuts - the biggest one being the scrapping of the Croke Park agreement and I truly believe that if that had happened along with even greater welfare cuts, there'd be less of a public / media outcry over the current situation.

Mint Sauce

I think some of you are missing the point here. Debating on, passing, and expulsion of them who vote against Budget cuts on the most vulnerable.

If they were voting changes on them selves, it would more than likely be to there own benefit, back slaps around, and shiny new iPads for all of them.

Hang on, they did give them selves shiny new iPads. On the very week of the Budget.

steddyeddy

moihugs wrote: »

I am married to a fantastic man who has a very serious illness we have 5 fabulous kids. He had to give his job up(paid taxes all his life so did I and his parents and my parents) a few years ago through not been fit to walk etc!!!Then I worked at least 60 hours a week to keep us , until he want fit to do any of the school runs any of the driving or even look after himself now please guys and i'm not been smart here why do we deserve to suffer even more??? Its a constant struggle to cope ... We didnt know any of this before we had kids , do we hand them back now?????????Its 325 carers, household charge, childrens allowance, tax on car etc etc that affect us... we dont have it!! WE have extra costs than most every week with visits to the hospital extra washing extra heat in house for someone thats so sick!! I get 1 hour a week to myself if im lucky and havent been that lucky in 3 weeks!!! Do any of you really understand what hardship is????

To answer that no a lot dont. Ignorance of suffering is like any sort of ignorance except those who haven't lived through it think they know it.

Listening to Vincent browne during the week and he asked a fine gael member how the budget affected him, to which he ansered " I dont know". If the budget is to be fair people should know how it affects them.

SafeSurfer

Our parliament is a complete sham. Nothing is "debated" in order to improve legislation. Complete reform of the Dail is needed if it is to be anything other than an expensive theatre.

B.A._Baracus

irish-stew wrote: »

You kinda have to wonder, how long they would have debated if it was something affecting them selves, thats if they would have debated it at all.

A greater question could not be asked to them
But thats the thing about the government/politicians... heck, the same question can be posed to your average joe....

The answer is always the same. Its all me me me or as long as i'm alright jack.