Golf GTI Brake Pads/Discs Price

rickyjb

Just got quoted over 700 euros during a service, 85,000 km. Bulk of the price is for brake pads, front and rear, and front discs

How much should a set of front pads and discs for a mkV GTI cost? What's the criteria for changing the discs, I was told that they have a bit of a lip but he wasn't very convincing about it.

Also would I save much ordering online (equivalent or better) and getting an indy garage to fit them over buying from a VW dealership or is it worth the hassle?

Thanks.

Paddy@CIRL

I would price up some EBC Turbo Groove discs & Yellow Stuff pads from Car Design Ireland and get a quote from an Indy which should work out better for you.

sean1141

Are the mk5 gti 312mm disks on the front? Nearly sure they are. If so about 120 should get you a decent pair. Don't rush into getting the cheapest you can find. Stick to a decent brand.

mathepac

ATE discs & Pagid pads all round from a motor-factors fitted, by a VAG specialist. Pagid & ATE are VAG OEMs.

sean1141

85000KM seems very low mileage for disks to be worn but then again it depends on how you drive. Were the pads changed before?


If you want genuine parts at low prices I would highly recommend sere motors in Belfast. David in parts is a very sound guy and he will post out the stuff to you. I have got loads of parts off him and never had a problem once.

Your car would be the same as a mk2 Leon. From this link disks are 81 and front pads 39. That's sterling.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=303803

bazz26

I wouldn't bother with a main dealer for things like fitting brake pads and discs. Their labour rates are quite high compared to those of a good indy who will do just a good a job if not better.

sebastianlieken

well i'm working in GBP here but here ya go,

Pads
2-off front pads £31.14 (I think that's for 2)
2-off rear pads £31.14 (I think that's for 2)

discs
2-off front discs £66
2-off rear discs £62.28

that's £190.56 or €236

honestly, if you know how to use a spaner you can do this yourself.

bear in mind that a brake fluid change would probably be required aswell, let the garage do that one.

rickyjb

mathepac wrote: »

ATE discs & Pagid pads all round from a motor-factors fitted, by a VAG specialist. Pagid & ATE are VAG OEMs.

I've seen Pagid recommended on other sites too. What do you mean by "from a motor-factors fitted?

sean1141 wrote: »

Are the mk5 gti 312mm disks on the front? Nearly sure they are. If so about 120 should get you a decent pair. Don't rush into getting the cheapest you can find. Stick to a decent brand.

If anything I'd be hoping to get better parts for the same price online and save on labour, I wouldn't put sub standard parts in, especially brakes:cool:

Anyone recommend a good indy mechanic in the north dublin area (preferrably Swords or Glasnevin/Finglas) who'd fit them properly for a good price if I bought the parts?

Idbatterim

what age is the car? just go to your local motor factors, get all the stuff you need and drop it into an independent mechanic...

rickyjb

sebastianlieken wrote: »

well i'm working in GBP here but here ya go,

Pads
2-off front pads £31.14 (I think that's for 2)
2-off rear pads £31.14 (I think that's for 2)

discs
2-off front discs £66
2-off rear discs £62.28

that's £190.56 or €236

honestly, if you know how to use a spaner you can do this yourself.

bear in mind that a brake fluid change would probably be required aswell, let the garage do that one.

Thanks, where did you get the prices though, is that for Pagid pads/discs? When I put in my car details there are still several options, are all of these suitable and if so which one should I pick?

I'd be tempted to give it a go, but as it's the brakes on a ~200bhp car and I've never done anything like that before I'm not sure it'd be a great idea:pac:

rickyjb

Idbatterim wrote: »

what age is the car? just go to your local motor factors, get all the stuff you need and drop it into an independent mechanic...

It's 2008. Just want to make sure the job is done properly, I haven't used any of the garages in my area so that's why I was looking for a recommendation.

rickyjb

Paddy@CIRL wrote: »

I would price up some EBC Turbo Groove discs & Yellow Stuff pads from Car Design Ireland and get a quote from an Indy which should work out better for you.

Do you work for them or something? Seems to be a BMW focused tuning website and I couldn't see any brake pads

The Dagda

Just for comparison, and coz the pads and disks must be very similar in both cars, I just got the pads and disks, front and rear, replaced on my 04 Audi A4.

The cost, in a main VAG dealer, was €450 plus VAT.

I thought it was very reasonable.

George Dalton

I wouldn't go for uprated pads or grooved discs unless the car is tuned/modified and/or you plan on doing track days.

For rear discs and pads on a GTI we would be charging €175.
For fronts about €225.

mathepac

rickyjb wrote: »

... What do you mean by "from a motor-factors fitted?

Sorry my punctuator is broken. It should have read "... from a motor-factors, fitted by ..."

Idbatterim

search ebay.co.uk. I had rear discs, pads and sensors fitted to my E46 for E30...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=golf+mk6+pagid&_sacat=0&_odkw=golf+mk6+discs&_osacat=0&_from=R40

rickyjb

The Dagda wrote: »

Just for comparison, and coz the pads and disks must be very similar in both cars, I just got the pads and disks, front and rear, replaced on my 04 Audi A4.

The cost, in a main VAG dealer, was €450 plus VAT.

I thought it was very reasonable.

Well it would have been 400 for everything except the rear discs, I didn't think that was that reasonable though. Maybe I'm wrong and I should've paid it, I just felt I wasn't getting good value. When he tried to sell me 2 tyres for 425 euros and suggest I change the timing belt (still not sure why) alarm bells started ringing.

Idbatterim

most main dealers are DESPERATE to get money in from servicing etc, now that sales have fallen off a cliff...

George Dalton

Timing belt interval is 4 years or 180,000km, whichever comes first. How much were they quoting for timing belt kit and water pump replacement just out of interest?

rickyjb

sebastianlieken wrote: »

well i'm working in GBP here but here ya go,

Pads
2-off front pads £31.14 (I think that's for 2)
2-off rear pads £31.14 (I think that's for 2)

discs
2-off front discs £66
2-off rear discs £62.28

that's £190.56 or €236

honestly, if you know how to use a spaner you can do this yourself.

bear in mind that a brake fluid change would probably be required aswell, let the garage do that one.

Can anyone tell me for definite if these are the right parts? (see attached screenshot) It's the same website as linked above. There are several options for both pads and discs, I got these links from a UK website where someone was looking for the same info for a '05 GTI.

Also found a 25% off code which brings the total to GBP126 inc. delivery. Still have to get them fitted but I should save about a hundred quid.

Any ideas on how much I should expect to pay to get 2 front discs and all 4 sets of pads changed?

rickyjb

OSI wrote: »

How old is the car? I'm pretty sure the timing belt interval. is 4yrs/120,000KM whichever comes first.

How big are the wheels? €425 is ridiculous money, but if you need new tires I got 2 Goodyear Eagle F1s for €360ish, but my GTI has the 18" Monzas, so if you had the 17s you'd get them even cheaper again.

Wheels are 18", last time I got Michelin PS3s from Alloy wheels outside Blanch, approx. 170 a corner fitted which I thought was good. I've found the tyres to be excellent as well, probably go for the same again. 425 is ridiculous.

It's 4 years old with 85,000 km so in that case maybe I should be getting it done? If he'd just said that straight up I probably would have gone for it but he tried to say there was some non-existent noise, his explanation made no sense.

George Dalton wrote: »

Timing belt interval is 4 years or 180,000km, whichever comes first. How much were they quoting for timing belt kit and water pump replacement just out of interest?

I asked him to quote me but he wasn't there when I picked it up, on the description he has 64 euros marked down beside "noise from timing belt area" so I assume that's how much they wanted to investigate it. Water pump wasn't mentioned, would that usually be replaced along with the timing belt? I'll get a quote tomorrow, I need to question something else on the bill anyway.

It does make a steam engine tschh, tschh, tschh type sound (if that makes sense) when it's idling but I assume that's just a pump right? PCV valve had to be replaced recently as well but I assume that's in no way related to the timing belt.

Nissan doctor

Georges prices of €400 for front and rear pads and disks supplied and fitted in an indy garage are spot on IMO. Its the same as we'd be charging.

You should be looking at around the €400 mark for the timing belt kit and water pump supply and fit using OEM parts from an indy garage too.

OldmanMondeo

Seriously OP, you don't seem to know what pads & disc's you need. Go to a motor factors. I sell this stuff all the time and VAG's are a PITA, several different disc's and pads listed. You buy wrong on-line and it will end up costing you a lot more, you might get a full refund but you will have to pay to post them back.

Fizman

I changed all 4 pads on my GTI about 6 months ago. Bought them from a local motor factors for combined about €70, and got my indy to do the work. I think all in it came to around €200, maybe even less.

€700 is mental. I don't know why you'd need front disks, mine was at 130k km service and my indy said the disks were in good nick.

Nonoperational

A good indy is the way to go. Personally I've used George before and he's very good.

rickyjb

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Georges prices of €400 for front and rear pads and disks supplied and fitted in an indy garage are spot on IMO. Its the same as we'd be charging.

You should be looking at around the €400 mark for the timing belt kit and water pump supply and fit using OEM parts from an indy garage too.

But if I can buy the parts online for 150 euros and bring them to an indy garage to fit surely I'd save money and end up with the same result, fitting is not gona be that much is it?

Not sure what to do now, if I was certain those were the right parts I'd get them now.

sebastianlieken

I can't tell you for sure what the difference is between the different discs and pads at the different prices on that website. No harm in picking up the phone and just asking them though, they'll give you the answer you're looking for.

rickyjb

Good idea, that's what I'll do. Cheers.

sebastianlieken

@ rickyjb, Sorry I can indeed tell you what that's about. my bad.

The different discs have different diameters and different thicknesses. The bigger the diameter, the more leverage and hence better stopping power. The thicker means the more wearing they can endure.

Just put you're car up on the jack (i'm sure you've changed a tire before?) take the wheel off and you'll see the brake assembly. Snoop around it, have a look at the work that is involved and which fasterns are involved. Have a go at removeing one just for practice before you order online. Once you get the disc off, take out your ruler and order the disc with the same dimensions.

(by the way, if you're working on the wheel well, it's good practice to put the wheel that you removed under the car behind the wheel-well so that if the car falls off the jack, it lands on the wheel and not the ground). Do this with a nice big lump of wood either.

George Dalton

rickyjb wrote: »

But if I can buy the parts online for 150 euros

You have no rear discs included in that list that comes to €150. If you are just changing rear pads and front discs and pads then your bill will be more like €300 in total rather than the €400 quoted by myself and Nissan Doctor.

rickyjb wrote: »

and bring them to an indy garage to fit surely I'd save money and end up with the same result, fitting is not gona be that much is it?

Not sure what to do now, if I was certain those were the right parts I'd get them now.

That's the choice you make. You either go for the hassle free option of getting parts and fitting from a single source, or else you take the responsibility of sourcing the parts thereby saving a few quid. Thing is you then also take the risk that goes along with that, i.e. the possibility that the wrong parts will arrive or that there may be warranty issues down the line that leave you caught in the middle between the parts supplier and the garage that did the fitting.

rickyjb

sebastianlieken wrote: »

@ rickyjb, Sorry I can indeed tell you what that's aboyt. my bad.

The different discs have different diameters and different thicknesses. The bigger the diameter, the more leverage and hence better stopping power. The thicker means the more wearing they can endure.

Just put you're car up on the jack (i'm sure you've changed a tire before?) take the wheel off and you'll see the brake assembly. Snoop around it, have a look at the work that is involved and which fasterns are involved. Have a go at removeing one just for practice before you order online. Once you get the disc off, take out your ruler and order the disc with the same dimensions.

I get the physics of it but I don't think that all those will fit my car.

If I had the time and the knowledge to do that I probably wouldn't be posting on here! I appreciate the advice though.

rickyjb

George Dalton wrote: »

You have no rear discs included in that list that comes to €150. If you are just changing rear pads and front discs and pads then your bill will be more like €300 in total rather than the €400 quoted by myself and Nissan Doctor.



That's the choice you make. You either go for the hassle free option of getting parts and fitting from a single source, or else you take the responsibility of sourcing the parts thereby saving a few quid. Thing is you then also take the risk that goes along with that, i.e. the possibility that the wrong parts will arrive or that there may be warranty issues down the line that leave you caught in the middle between the parts supplier and the garage that did the fitting.

All very true, especially about the warranty but I guess that's the risk you run when buying online. If I did get an indy to supply the parts how would I be sure that they were OEM though? There's also a risk there.

If I had time I could visit a couple of garages and get quotes but I don't really have the time unfortunately, if I get the right parts online it'll be easier just to get someone to fit them.

sebastianlieken

rickyjb wrote: »

I get the physics of it but I don't think that all those will fit my car.

If I had the time and the knowledge to do that I probably wouldn't be posting on here! I appreciate the advice though.

No worries (semi-thinking out loud by the way, didn't mean to undermind your understanding of mechanics)

I'm pretty sure all of them will fit your car, best to pick up the phone though. the person on the other end will tell you for certain.

George Dalton

You don't have to visit a garage to get quotes. Pick up the phone or send a few emails. In fact now that I think of it you have gotten two quotes in this thread alone :pac:

wonski

George Dalton wrote: »

That's the choice you make. You either go for the hassle free option of getting parts and fitting from a single source, or else you take the responsibility of sourcing the parts thereby saving a few quid. Thing is you then also take the risk that goes along with that, i.e. the possibility that the wrong parts will arrive or that there may be warranty issues down the line that leave you caught in the middle between the parts supplier and the garage that did the fitting.

+1

Happened to me few times. Discs and pads sets are pretty heavy - if parts won't fit, you will have to pay to send them back to get replacement/refund. It cost a lot to send them to UK/Europe from Ireland, not to mention extra time involved.
Sometimes the risk is worth, sometimes not.
When you pay the garage for the job, it is their responsibility to order right parts, and their loss if those won't fit. You know exactly how much you pay.
Saying that, i did save a lot on my last brake disc/pads set by ordering online from ebay, but then have 50 euro worth reconditioned brake caliper sitting on the shelf with no chance of selling/getting rid of it.
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose i suppose.
If you got decent, and affordable quote from garage, go for it.

mickdw

Fizman wrote: »

I don't know why you'd need front disks, mine was at 130k km service and my indy said the disks were in good nick.

I swapped my front discs at about 65k miles. Depends on the driver and the brake materials really.

Also, if the op can detail the PR codes from his car, it should be possible to shine some light on the size of discs fitted etc.

wonski

sebastianlieken wrote: »

@ rickyjb, Sorry I can indeed tell you what that's about. my bad.

The different discs have different diameters and different thicknesses. The bigger the diameter, the more leverage and hence better stopping power. The thicker means the more wearing they can endure.

Just put you're car up on the jack (i'm sure you've changed a tire before?) take the wheel off and you'll see the brake assembly. Snoop around it, have a look at the work that is involved and which fasterns are involved. Have a go at removeing one just for practice before you order online. Once you get the disc off, take out your ruler and order the disc with the same dimensions.

(by the way, if you're working on the wheel well, it's good practice to put the wheel that you removed under the car behind the wheel-well so that if the car falls off the jack, it lands on the wheel and not the ground). Do this with a nice big lump of wood either.

There is a bit more to that. Taking care of caliper while doing it, pushing up piston so new pads will fit, not to mention rear discs, where pushing piston back to fit new pads is in many cases not possible without right tools. You made it simpler than it is. If you never done that, you need someone to explain you what is needed, and how to do it. You won't figure it out by looking at it for the first time.

rickyjb

mickdw wrote: »

I swapped my front discs at about 65k miles. Depends on the driver and the brake materials really.

Also, if the op can detail the PR codes from his car, it should be possible to shine some light on the size of discs fitted etc.

What are PR codes? I'm going to give the chassis number to that website linked earlier, they said they can guarantee the right parts if they have that.

mickdw

rickyjb wrote: »

What are PR codes? I'm going to give the chassis number to that website linked earlier, they said they can guarantee the right parts if they have that.

Fair enough, that should see you right.

re codes, if you look in service book front cover or in your boot, you will see a white sheet with loads of codes. They give all the options the car has from factory from radio type to suspension type.
They options can be cross referenced with the vag etka parts system which will allow you to pinpoint at least the genuine part number you require and will often tell you straight off that you are looking for a 314mm disc whereas a different PR codes will point to a 320mm disc for example. Very useful as aftermarket suppliers are not right 100% of the time.

rickyjb

mickdw wrote: »

Fair enough, that should see you right.

re codes, if you look in service book front cover or in your boot, you will see a white sheet with loads of codes. They give all the options the car has from factory from radio type to suspension type.
They options can be cross referenced with the vag etka parts system which will allow you to pinpoint at least the genuine part number you require and will often tell you straight off that you are looking for a 314mm disc whereas a different PR codes will point to a 320mm disc for example. Very useful as aftermarket suppliers are not right 100% of the time.

Seems strange that the same year/model of a car would have different size brake discs, is that just a VAG thing?

wonski

rickyjb wrote: »

Seems strange that the same year/model of a car would have different size brake discs, is that just a VAG thing?

Renault used to do that. Not just discs size but the whole braking system was changed mid-year.
I guess happens a lot.
My old Fiesta had two sizes of pads fitted, too.

George Dalton

All the GTI models have the same size brakes.

wonski

George Dalton wrote: »

All the GTI models have the same size brakes.

Where do they get these sizes from, then?
http://www.micksgarage.com/braking-parts/brake-discs/volkswagen/golf/golf-v/2003-2009/1.8-gti/27997/
Confusing if one wants to buy...

wonski

OSI wrote: »

Dunno, but given they're for a 1.8 Mk5 GTI, which doesn't exist, I wouldn't put too much faith in that site.

Only one size of each disk listed for the actual GTI, http://www.micksgarage.com/braking-parts/brake-discs/volkswagen/golf/golf-v/2003-2009/2.0-gti/18387/

Same happens when you choose 2.0 Gti 2006-onwards...
http://www.micksgarage.com/braking-parts/brake-discs/volkswagen/golf/golf-v/2003-2009/2.0-gti/20064/

Tried their reg look-up before and my Scenic comes up as a Clio:rolleyes:

rickyjb

wonski wrote: »

Same happens when you choose 2.0 Gti 2006-onwards...
http://www.micksgarage.com/braking-parts/brake-discs/volkswagen/golf/golf-v/2003-2009/2.0-gti/20064/

Tried their reg look-up before and my Scenic comes up as a Clio:rolleyes:

Just spotted, that's probably for the edition 30 as the hp is 230. So if you pick the right car I guess it does work, those options match the ones in the UK thread as well so think I'll just go for them. Now I just need to figure out the right pads!!

George Dalton

wonski wrote: »

Where do they get these sizes from, then?
http://www.micksgarage.com/braking-parts/brake-discs/volkswagen/golf/golf-v/2003-2009/1.8-gti/27997/
Confusing if one wants to buy...

That is the complete list of different brakes for all Mk5 Golfs. From a 1.4 all the way up to the R32. It is not GTI specific.

wonski

George Dalton wrote: »

That is the complete list of different brakes for all Mk5 Golfs. From a 1.4 all the way up to the R32. It is not GTI specific.

The only thing is they show up when you choose 2.0 GTI:rolleyes:
But if you know what you are looking for, you will find it.
Like you said, only one size for all GTI's, so OP should have no problem with getting the right parts if he wants to.

mickdw

Micksgarage even has the PR codes listed there. Should be quite simple to identify parts required or even to confirm parts.

rickyjb

Are PR codes the OE numbers? Not sure what to do with them

Based on these 2 threads I think I'll order the parts in the pic I posted in this thread, they seem to be correct.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=224566.0

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=211145.0

Both queries are identical to mine, unless I'm unlucky and they changed the braking system from 2008 onwards they should fit.

OldmanMondeo

rickyjb wrote: »

Are PR codes the OE numbers? Not sure what to do with them

Based on these 2 threads I think I'll order the parts in the pic I posted in this thread, they seem to be correct.

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=224566.0

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=211145.0

Both queries are identical to mine, unless I'm unlucky and they changed the braking system from 2008 onwards they should fit.

As I pointed out on page 2, I sell these parts everyday. Bring your car to a local Indy, he will source the parts for you from the local factors. These guys do not want the hassle of fitting crap parts and dealing with the come back.

There could be 3 different sizes on the disc diameter, there could also be different studs etc. You asked on post #33, how would you know if an indy supplied OEM parts, TBH I doubt you would know who makes OEM product.

OldmanMondeo

wonski wrote: »

Tried their reg look-up before and my Scenic comes up as a Clio:rolleyes:

That runs off the details entered by shannon, check your VRT cert.